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    For the sake of every thread on the forum turning into a personal argument between Vance and Kolibri, I say let's give them their own thread. All back and forth between the two can be put on this thread so the other threads can remain on topic and relevant. Don't take it personally guys, it just seems that most of my time on here is sifting through personal preference arguments between you two.
    Bobby Munroe
    Private Pilot (SEL)
    PRA Chapter 62 #42748
    EAA #1160523

  • #2
    As a gyroplane CFI frustrated with gyroplane accidents; I feel an obligation to correct misinformation about piloting gyroplanes.

    It doesn't matter to me who posts it.

    As someone who has flown both; in my experience your friends modified RAF is probably faster and more stable that a SparrowHawk.

    If you don't want to read my opinions Bobby; simply put me on ignore.

    It will save you a lot of time.
    Regards, Vance Breese Gyroplane CFI http://www.breeseaircraft.com/

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    • #3
      Or...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNkjDuSVXiE

      (Sorry, couldn't help thinking of this first :-)

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      • #4
        Bobby, you're apparently referring to the thread AR-1 N923DJ Texas 15-12-18.

        Vance and I disagree significantly on the safer technique to land in turbulence.
        I think the subject is worthy of in-depth discussion.
        You're free not to read it.

        On a more general note, Vance seems psychologically incapable of admitting when I am correct, or even when I've made a valid point along the way.
        So, in my opinion, he more prolongs our exchanges than I do.
        Even if my perception on that is inaccurate, what I try never to do is use any fallacious "straw man" argument against him.
        I'd appreciate his reciprocity there.

        Regards,
        Kolibri


        _________________
        5 JAN 2019 NOTE: Due to forum posting glitches, please see my updated previous post at:


        https://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/ro...83#post1141183
        PP - ASEL complex (C172RG, Piper 180, C206, RV-7A), SP - Gyro (Calidus, RAF, Sport Copter II, M912), soloed in gliders

        "
        When an honest but mistaken man learns of his error, he either ceases to be mistaken -- or he ceases to be honest."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Brian Jackson View Post
          Or...
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNkjDuSVXiE

          (Sorry, couldn't help thinking of this first :-)
          Yes you could..

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kolibri View Post
            Bobby, you're apparently referring to the thread AR-1 N923DJ Texas 15-12-18.

            Vance and I disagree significantly on the safer technique to land in turbulence.
            I think the subject is worthy of in-depth discussion.
            You're free not to read it.

            On a more general note, Vance seems psychologically incapable of admitting when I am correct, or even when I've made a valid point along the way.
            So, in my opinion, he more prolongs our exchanges than I do.
            Even if my perception on that is inaccurate, what I try never to do is use any fallacious "straw man" argument against him.
            I'd appreciate his reciprocity there.

            Regards,
            Kolibri
            I'm referring to almost every thread both of you post in. It always turns into a personal attack on each other. Yes I am free not to read it, but that would mean I might as well not read anything on the forum, as damn near every thread turns into this quibbling.
            You two have your own thread now... argue all you want!
            Bobby Munroe
            Private Pilot (SEL)
            PRA Chapter 62 #42748
            EAA #1160523

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            • #7
              Originally posted by WaspAir View Post

              Yes you could..
              LOL

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              • #8
                I think it’s good exchange of information. Thanks for all the posts!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by WaspAir View Post

                  Yes you could..
                  Nuh-Uh!

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                  • #10
                    But Bobby, until you read Vance’s profound statement; “In my opinion, water is wet,” you had no idea.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DavePA11 View Post
                      I think it’s good exchange of information. Thanks for all the posts!
                      Thanks DavePA11. I try to do my part.

                      ________________

                      But Bobby, until you read Vance’s profound statement; “In my opinion, water is wet,” you had no idea.

                      Nice to know that I'm not the only one thinking that! :D

                      ________________
                      NOTE: Due to continued forum glitches, my replies yesterday and today did not post in that thread,
                      so I included them in my previous post #71.

                      Regards,
                      Kolibri

                      PP - ASEL complex (C172RG, Piper 180, C206, RV-7A), SP - Gyro (Calidus, RAF, Sport Copter II, M912), soloed in gliders

                      "
                      When an honest but mistaken man learns of his error, he either ceases to be mistaken -- or he ceases to be honest."

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                      • #12
                        For Chuck Beaty: Could you please comment/elucidate on the accident thread (which got this thread going) regarding the airflow reversal phenomenon described by Birdy and Doug that I had referenced. Thank you.
                        Antony Thomas
                        “Learning without thought is labor lost; and thought without learning is perilous”
                        ― Confucius

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                        • #13
                          https://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/ro...68#post1141268
                          PP - ASEL complex (C172RG, Piper 180, C206, RV-7A), SP - Gyro (Calidus, RAF, Sport Copter II, M912), soloed in gliders

                          "
                          When an honest but mistaken man learns of his error, he either ceases to be mistaken -- or he ceases to be honest."

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                          • #14
                            Because of the hummingbird (kolibri) I have decided to leave this forum, I prefer not to be associated with him.

                            He single handedly has destroyed this forum and its purpose to share worthwhile information.
                            Best Regards,
                            Eddie Sigman,Polvadera,nm
                            (575) 835-4921

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by eddie View Post
                              Because of the hummingbird (kolibri) I have decided to leave this forum, I prefer not to be associated with him.

                              He single handedly has destroyed this forum and its purpose to share worthwhile information.
                              Why give him the power to spoil our fun Eddie?

                              I have personally learned a lot I value from you Eddie and nothing I value from Kolibri.

                              I have allowed the interactions to annoy some of my friends on the Rotary Wing Forum because I feel flawed advice should not go unchallenged and wrong information should not go uncorrected.

                              I suspect my friends will forgive me for that because they know who I am.

                              The ones I worry about are the ones who imagine it is a debate.

                              Flying doesn't work that way and it could get someone hurt.

                              I love sharing the things I have learned and learning from others.

                              I learn things every time I fly a gyroplane and I get to fly a gyroplane more than most people.

                              I have learned a lot from my clients about things that people don't understand about gyroplanes.

                              That helps me to see Kolibri is weak on understanding how a gyroplane flies, understanding the wind and air speed.

                              I feel his aviation decision making and risk assessment appear to be based on drama.

                              I don't give him the power to annoy me.

                              In my opinion I can't teach him anything so my responses to his "questions" are for the people who might learn something.
                              Regards, Vance Breese Gyroplane CFI http://www.breeseaircraft.com/

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