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    Ok so I decided to take the plunge and buy a 2 seat gyro. I thought long and hard and decided on a 2 seater, open or closed. Buy new, or used though? I thought I would get a list of as many manufacturers as I could find, from all over the world. From the US to Hungary and every country in between.
    I sent out email after email asking for their prices, with or without engines, with or without instruments, kit or assembled. I then sat back and waited for the emails to come flying in. And I waited. And I waited some more. After 2 weeks later and guess how many have responded.......

    1, one, uno, einz, un. And that was from Brako gyro in Italy, and he wouldnít give me a price unless I visit his factory, a nine hour round trip.
    So can anyone explain this as it seems a pretty bad business practice? I have searched and searched the internet and any prices are a few years old and very few companies advertise their prices.
    I think if they canít answer emails, how reliable would their company, and product for that matter, be?
    Its got to the stage where I think buying used would be a more reliable way to purchase.
    Any views, recommendations would be welcomed

  • #2
    I hate to agree as this has been my experience as well. I decided to build my own. I read your thoughts on buying which was also my first consideration. I guess u can see how that worked out for me.
    Did u try Tango gyro? Or American Ranger?

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    • #3
      The ranger is out of my budget but Iíve sent Tango a message now, thanks for that. Letís see if they reply!

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      • #4
        Other than AutoGyro, all of the companies are very small so give them time to respond. The smaller companies are run by smart people that wear many hats. In the US, it requires some travelling to fly-ins, shows, and searching a few forums to narrow it down. The MOST important factor in your decision should be training! Pick a flight school and an instructor and consider their training machine as the favored brand to buy. Why? Because you need to be properly trained and it is sure helpful to have an expert or two close by to consult after you pass your training. I still talk to my fixed wing instructor 7 years later.

        If your budget allows, your mission will guide your decision too. Deciding between enclosed or open should be a mission decision, not a cost decision. If you really need or want enclosed you might have to sell off other toys or save up to get the gyro you want.

        I am a little concerned that your budget is even mentioned. Learning to fly a gyro is a big upfront expense. A good used machine might be the best move so you have enough money left over to get adequate training.

        Good luck and welcome aboard.

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        • #5
          I had researched gyros and knew what I wanted,finding one to buy was another story,I finally found the rotarywing forum and the RAF wesite

          they had several listed for sale and one in my price range and the way I wanted it equipped,so I bought it brought it home and paul Patterson came over and told

          me that it wouldn't fly at this altitude with two on board,duh that was the one thing I never factored in,so paul suggested I get a turbo charger,and that's

          what I did.

          I have been flying for 50 years and have owned,24 aircraft including gliders, twin engines,and everything in between. I had never even seen a gyro fly,let a lone

          fly in one,I just decided that I had to have one before I quit flying.It has been one of the better decisions I have made in aviation.

          I was driven to have a gyro, the path to that goal was difficult,I realize now that there probably a lot of people who just quit trying.

          Oh the reason I got a enclosed cabin is that I am afraid of heights an open frame gyro would be impossible for me to fly.
          Best Regards,
          Eddie Sigman,Polvadera,nm
          (575) 835-4921

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          • #6
            I'm afraid of heights too! The open cockpit doesn't bother me as long as I have a body under me. I get a little nervous on steep turns.

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            • #7
              Heights used to bother me but widths still give me the willies

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              • #8
                In response

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                • #9
                  The reason I mentioned budget is I donít have an infinite one, and the cost of 2 seaters is a hugely varying bracket. I am an engineer and my job revolves around costs, maintenance and feasibility, so old habits die hard! Iím used to getting quotes, prices, recommendations on every part of purchasing to be able to make well informed decisions about best and worst case scenarios (I should mention Iím a chief engineer on a superyacht) so used to dealing with large blue chip companies as well as local suppliers. Iím also used to getting email responses in less than 8 hours, so this is a little frustrating for me.

                  I do value the responses from everyone who contributes their comments though, as there is absolutely no replacement for experience, and I value everyoneís opinions!

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                  • #10
                    Right now the Tango Gyro is a very good bang-for-buck option, Basically an MTO clone with Yamaha power, https://www.tangogyro.com/index.html Dealer in Roswell Georgia, Alex and Paul are very good to deal with, Father and Son operation, worth a look. $40K range

                    The American Ranger is a very nice American made gyro fit and finish and everything about then is first class, Made in Florida. http://www.silverlightaviation.com/i...gyroplanes_ar1
                    $75k range

                    I looked at a Tercel, but it was way over my budget, $118k

                    Or you could look at the used market , search "gyrocopter" "autogyro" "Gyroplane"

                    https://www.barnstormers.com/cat.php?mode=search
                    The government cannot give anything to anybody that the Government does not first take from somebody else.

                    ďI prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.Ē
                    - Thomas Jefferson


                    Scott Essex....Flying H Ranch

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                    • #11
                      Thanks Scott, Iím waiting for an email back from Tango, I should mention Iím in Europe so will have to add import Tax to anything from the US, which Iím not sure how much that is until Mr.Trump tells us, which could change rapidly

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                      • #12
                        If you are in Europe, you might want to look at several companies based on that side of the world. If cost management is in your blood, then even considering shipping something from the US and paying tariffs would be an unnecessary expense. You have AutoGyro, ELA, Magni, Lucia Air and others in your back yard. Most of us in the US pay the currency exchange and ocean shipping for a European gyrocopter so consider yourself lucky!

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                        • #13
                          It would be great for Trump to influence European countries to remove taxes on items the US purchases. 20% GST tax on items from France. 20% VAT for items from the UK. I prefer free trade on aviation items. Used market might be best for your budget.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DavePA11 View Post
                            It would be great for Trump to influence European countries to remove taxes on items the US purchases. 20% GST tax on items from France. 20% VAT for items from the UK. I prefer free trade on aviation items. Used market might be best for your budget.
                            If, as a resident in the U.S., you buy a new or second-hand gyro (or any other thing) in Europe, you don't pay VAT. European VAT is paid only by residents in Europe, for anything they buy, in Europe or abroad...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Chas Tucker View Post
                              The reason I mentioned budget is I donít have an infinite one, and the cost of 2 seaters is a hugely varying bracket. I am an engineer and my job revolves around costs, maintenance and feasibility, so old habits die hard! Iím used to getting quotes, prices, recommendations on every part of purchasing to be able to make well informed decisions about best and worst case scenarios (I should mention Iím a chief engineer on a superyacht) so used to dealing with large blue chip companies as well as local suppliers. Iím also used to getting email responses in less than 8 hours, so this is a little frustrating for me.

                              I do value the responses from everyone who contributes their comments though, as there is absolutely no replacement for experience, and I value everyoneís opinions!
                              A fast response is a good barometer for the quality of a company. I knew of a metal hardware company, in deep crisis, who was saved by a new manager. One of the first things he sternly ordered was that phone queries must be solved immediately, 'on the fly', telex messages must be answered within the hour, and letters within the day. The company recovered very soon...
                              To my knowledge, no gyro manufacturing company in the world complies with that... As we say in Spanish, 'hay lo que hay'...

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