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  • Should we spend $13,000 of your money to fix PRA's runway & taxi ways

    We now have about 60K of your money as surplus in our bank accounts but before we spend any on the airport we need to learn our members wishes.

    Should PRA spend $13,000 of your money to fix the runway and taxi way?

    This is a very time sensitive vote the contractor is leaving town with the equipment and the bid will go up.
    1st Bid from contractor in town was $42,000, this new bid is $20,000 to fix the cracks and resurface the runway and taxi ways.
    Members have donated about $7,000 so we would like to spend $13,000 of your money.
    We will continue requesting donations to pay for it so it may be paid back to us.
    If you would like to donate here is the link: https://www.gofundme.com/resurface-p...ic-runway-fund
    To vote:
    1) Go to www.PRA.org and log in. You will be taken to the members only page.
    2) Click the Green button that says " I'm a current PRA member and I'm currently signed in give me POST access to PRA's Ask the Experts Forum. "
    3) Now your logged into our Forum Click the "What New" Tab it will show you everything posted in order for days. It should be the 1st thread at the top that says:
    " Should we spend your money on repairing the Airports runway?"

    Or vote by email:
    Please vote YES or NO

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    Last edited by All_In; 06-11-2018, 05:15 PM.
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  • #2
    PS: Here is a link for non-members to read and learn what our members wish us to do. http://www.pra.org/forums/showthread...irports-runway
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    • #3
      I think only local pilots who use the runway can answer that question. My dream would be to see a complete makeover of the PRA website and link to this forum from our PRA site. Having two forums is not effective IMHO. The PRA forum isn't used much at all. The PRA site has a few dead links and is written in some very old software. We need to have it written so that a mobile friendly version is available automatically. I had the my business site done a couple of years ago for around $1000 as I recall.

      Sorry didn't mean to hijack the runway conversation...

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      • #4
        Last year I found the Mentone runway to be in very ordinary shape with a lot of roughness .... and I have a nice bump-absorbing nose wheel gyro ..... the hard-coupled gyros must have been shaken to pieces! ...the runway repairs have needed doing for some years ... each year it gets worse & will be more expensive down the road! I would vote to get it done NOW! ...... I know the convention is a one week a year affair and a small faithful group come often .... plus some newbies ... I have encouraged quite a few to come to Mentone to see all the different gyros on display & get demo flights in the various offerings with CFI's representing different brands for sale!
        Chris T.
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        "Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be bent out of shape." Buck B.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HighAltitude View Post
          I think only local pilots who use the runway can answer that question. My dream would be to see a complete makeover of the PRA website and link to this forum from our PRA site. Having two forums is not effective IMHO. The PRA forum isn't used much at all. The PRA site has a few dead links and is written in some very old software. We need to have it written so that a mobile friendly version is available automatically. I had the my business site done a couple of years ago for around $1000 as I recall.

          Sorry didn't mean to hijack the runway conversation...
          That is why we are asking the members if they wish to spend the money, not all of them come to the convention. It may take 3 or 4 years getting donations at this rate. However we also keep the airport open all year to the public making the world a little better place for all pilots and the BOD and most members like that.

          Also we agree with you about the web site that was before I was on the BOD but I think we paid about 10K for that piece of crap but he went bankrupt and would not give us the source code. It's been a nightmare for me just to keep it running.

          The good news is I've rewritten a new web-site and hope it is up by the convention. Solving that problem it would be done now if I did not run the PRA office full time.

          What I will ask the BOD to vote on next as real member benefits to use our new profitability/ money on the following:

          1) create and on-line ground school for gyro's on our web-site. Cost about 10K. This will grow the grassroots.

          2) Next to make flying gyro the cheapest way to get any pilot license.

          When we have another $100K, which will not take long, I will ask them to buy a two place trainer that will put in an LLC holding company with chapters being issued shares of stock.

          Each time a chapter has 3 or 4 new student pilots we will chase the sun around the country and send it to them at no cost to them for insurance or anything except for fuel and oil.

          We will spend money on radio ads on sport channels advertising your CHAPTER for new members and the cheapest way to get your license leaving out it in a gyroplane and bate and switch them if we can for the cheaper price. This will grow the chapters grass roots. This will also make the training class larger and more profit for instructors for students who cannot afford paying $150.00 and hour for the aircraft so many more can afford to join us and live life to the fullest with our help.

          We will ask local instructors to teach at a discounted rate so we do not take any income away from them and no wear & tear, or risk of damage to their aircraft. The reduced price should get the instructors 5 or ten time the students when we advertiser it for 60 days before the gyro shows up with that cheap of a price.

          Last edited by All_In; 06-11-2018, 04:53 AM.
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          • #6
            I think the sooner it gets resurfaced, the less expensive it will be in the end. As the cracks appear, they get filled with water and when they freeze in the winter the damage gets worse and harder and more expensive to fix. I'd say fix it now.

            https://www.gofundme.com/resurface-p...09ba749ed24581
            Last edited by Jazzenjohn; 06-11-2018, 04:43 AM.
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            • #7
              As to our forum I have mixed feelings. Our site is so much easy to find what new. You only have to click the Whats new tab much like our owl forum here.
              However if I adtertize it and let non-members post, I fear it will kill this forum. So I've been dragging my feet announcing that anyone may join our forum now if you send me your contact info.
              Resistance is futile…… You will be compiled!
              Cheers,
              John Rountree

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              PRA- Business Manager

              PRA31 - Vice President of S.D. Rotorcraft Club
              http://www.Pra31.org

              U.S. Agent for Aviomania Aircraft... the most stable gyroplane on the market today.
              See: Aviomania USA http://www.AviomaniaUSA.com

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jazzenjohn View Post
                I think the sooner it gets resurfaced, the less expensive it will be in the end. As the cracks appear, they get filled with water and when they freeze in the winter the damage gets worse and harder and more expensive to fix. I'd say fix it now. I'll donate to https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https...89GWmIzD1eQmu6
                You are a wise man and your observations are correct.
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                John Rountree

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                • #9
                  Im no longer a PRA member, but I say to spend the money and fix it. As long as the PRA owns the airport, the PRA needs to maintain that airport. 13 grand is not alot of money for fixing a runway in the grand scheme of things
                  Thats what she said.

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                  • #10
                    PS:
                    The ad only has to be something like this.
                    Get your sport or private pilots licenses for only $50.00 an hour including the aircraft. Join "Name of Chapter here" one of Popular Rotorcraft Association chapters, an non-profit charity which explain the cheap price the aircraft is donated for free as the chapters are stockholders. This is for real PRA trying to make the world a little more like heaven on earth. Come fly with us.

                    That is just an example I can do much better than this with some real thought when we have the aircraft.
                    Resistance is futile…… You will be compiled!
                    Cheers,
                    John Rountree

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                    PRA- Business Manager

                    PRA31 - Vice President of S.D. Rotorcraft Club
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                    U.S. Agent for Aviomania Aircraft... the most stable gyroplane on the market today.
                    See: Aviomania USA http://www.AviomaniaUSA.com

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                    • #11
                      John, I think the training stuff deserves to have its own thread.
                      Last edited by Jazzenjohn; 06-11-2018, 05:24 AM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GyroRon View Post
                        Im no longer a PRA member, but I say to spend the money and fix it. As long as the PRA owns the airport, the PRA needs to maintain that airport. 13 grand is not alot of money for fixing a runway in the grand scheme of things
                        Make sense to the BOD, only it's not our money and some may hate that we own the airport, so our members are the boss we all just work here.
                        It the money were for the online ground school we would just make it happen as that is for the entire world benefit.
                        Resistance is futile…… You will be compiled!
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                        John Rountree

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                        PRA31 - Vice President of S.D. Rotorcraft Club
                        http://www.Pra31.org

                        U.S. Agent for Aviomania Aircraft... the most stable gyroplane on the market today.
                        See: Aviomania USA http://www.AviomaniaUSA.com

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jazzenjohn View Post
                          John, I think the training stuff deserves to have its own thread. I think this one should stay on the Runway topic.
                          Yes you are correct. Only seems many do not know how profitable we have made the PRA and what we are really doing so that needs to be explained as we are not using the money for the airport unless members want it.
                          So members and non-members need to learn we are all about new members benefits and PRA is going to soon be making a real difference in the world.
                          Which has been my dream and now PRA is finally structured for financial success the dream is almost here..

                          So now that the questions have been answered lets keep it on the runway repair.
                          Resistance is futile…… You will be compiled!
                          Cheers,
                          John Rountree

                          PRA- Director, Secretary
                          PRA- Business Manager

                          PRA31 - Vice President of S.D. Rotorcraft Club
                          http://www.Pra31.org

                          U.S. Agent for Aviomania Aircraft... the most stable gyroplane on the market today.
                          See: Aviomania USA http://www.AviomaniaUSA.com

                          OEM Dealer for MGL Avionics - glass cockpit EFIS for Experimental aircraft Ask about DISCOUNTS for PRA MEMBERS

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                          • #14
                            The runway repair is a no-brainer at the cost quoted.

                            Regarding the idea on how to get more people up in gyros:
                            The plan to purchase a PRA gyro for training is probably not the way to go. Based on my research here, transporting a gyro has pitfalls. Instead of asking instructors to discount their cost and fly a gyro that has been transported all over, why not just use the $100k to subsidize the training? Every CFI already owns a trainer. We need students, not trainer gyros. A coupon for $100 per hour would get a lot of people up in the air quickly. One hundred grand would get 100 pilots 10 hours of training each. Adding 100 pilots to our ranks would be HUGE. I am starting my training next week. I don't need the subsidy but I am sure that others would jump on it and take a flight. It is also a win-win on the safety side. A CFI would simply submit the coupon and proof of training to get reimbursed from PRA.

                            John, contact me off line regarding the new website. I would like to help.

                            Tim

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HighAltitude View Post
                              The runway repair is a no-brainer at the cost quoted.

                              Regarding the idea on how to get more people up in gyros:
                              The plan to purchase a PRA gyro for training is probably not the way to go. Based on my research here, transporting a gyro has pitfalls. Instead of asking instructors to discount their cost and fly a gyro that has been transported all over, why not just use the $100k to subsidize the training? Every CFI already owns a trainer. We need students, not trainer gyros. A coupon for $100 per hour would get a lot of people up in the air quickly. One hundred grand would get 100 pilots 10 hours of training each. Adding 100 pilots to our ranks would be HUGE. I am starting my training next week. I don't need the subsidy but I am sure that others would jump on it and take a flight. It is also a win-win on the safety side. A CFI would simply submit the coupon and proof of training to get reimbursed from PRA.

                              John, contact me off line regarding the new website. I would like to help.

                              Tim
                              Oops seems like I've move my own thread off topic. But as most know I never mind when you do that to my threads, more like hanger talk.
                              100K/ $150 per hour = only pay for 666.666 hours. If we pay for only 20 hours for each pilot that means we can only train 33 new pilots with the same $100K.
                              If I buy each chapter their own gyroplane then we can train a chapter instructor and they can train all year round with many new CFI's being trained and the CFI will not have to buy/own a gyroplane. The new CFI's can then earn the money to buy their own gyroplane.

                              By owning the aircraft which is the most costly charge we can train hundreds for $50 per hour each. Year after year for at least 7 years with only the insurance and maintenance cost to PRA.

                              As soon as I get back to the office I'll contact you about the web-site. U-Rock Tim.
                              Last edited by All_In; 06-11-2018, 06:23 AM.
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                              PRA- Business Manager

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                              U.S. Agent for Aviomania Aircraft... the most stable gyroplane on the market today.
                              See: Aviomania USA http://www.AviomaniaUSA.com

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