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  • #31
    John there appears to be new financing from Dubai for ArrowCopter. That and the new 135hp engine from Rotax both bring new positive aspects to the program.

    It needed more power. Claudius chose the 912is...loved the fuel savings but regretted the choice as it was not powerful enough for 2 up in the summer temps.

    The new Rotax is a more powerful version of the 912is and should be a big improvement. Chris (Churz 7000) probably knows more than almost anyone else about this machine, owns one, and would give you probably the best information on it.
    Leigh.

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    • #32
      Claudius' ArrowCopter was the only one every sold with an engine other than a Rotax 914.The 912iS that Claudius had is a bit underpowered for the ArrowCopter. I did fly it all the way from Bensen Days to Baltimore in 2014. I was solo and the performance was very good. I cruised at about 100 mph burning about 3.5 gal per hour (if I remember correctly). Two up at a hot day I can see that the 912iS would be a bit weak in the chest.

      With the 914, the ArrowCopter is not underpowered at all. I regularly fly at MTOW and 37 C (about 100 deg. F) and have great climb and cruise performance. So that's not an issue at all.

      But still, I'm itching to see what the ArrowCopter can do with 135 hp....

      Greetings, -- Chris.
      Read about my trip across the USA in an MT03 gyro here.

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      • #33
        Chris can you tell us if the new Arrowcopter company has actually delivered any new build gyros since summer 2015 - I've not yet seen any new examples.

        Machine serial 044 is the latest I'm aware of - delivered summer 2015.

        Lots of marketing at the moment but any customer deliveries ?

        Known fleet listing here - more info always welcomed


        http://gyrocopterarrowcopter.blogspot.co.uk/

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ckurz7000 View Post
          ...

          With the 914, the ArrowCopter is not underpowered at all. I regularly fly at MTOW and 37 C (about 100 deg. F) and have great climb and cruise performance. So that's not an issue at all.

          But still, I'm itching to see what the ArrowCopter can do with 135 hp....

          Greetings, -- Chris.
          Chris it would have to make it better, which is always welcome. Would it be a big project to upgrade yours?

          Leigh.

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          • #35
            Define "big", Leigh. It uses a CAN bus so that's something right there for modifaction of the interface to the EFIS. Then, with the changed weight and thrust you would need to demonstrate that the cell can cope with that. And then you would need to do a partial certification programme to make it a buyable option. So there's some work to domif you want to do it properly.

            Bolting it on is probably the least difficult part.

            Greetings, -- Chris.
            Read about my trip across the USA in an MT03 gyro here.

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            • #36
              Yup, sound big to me after that elucidation.
              Leigh.

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              • #37
                After a couple months, Arrow Copter responded to me and told me they are in talks with a company in Florida to bring them here and build them in Florida. Anyone have any insight as to which company might be doing this? If it's secret, you can pm me and I won't tell. I hope it's true.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by John B View Post
                  After a couple months, Arrow Copter responded to me and told me they are in talks with a company in Florida to bring them here and build them in Florida. Anyone have any insight as to which company might be doing this? If it's secret, you can pm me and I won't tell. I hope it's true.
                  I can take a guess but I'd rather not. Hope whoever it is knows what they are taking on. Its a fairly big project. The saving grace is that development and tooling is already done but still the headaches and expenditure are not going to come out trivial.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by fara View Post

                    I can take a guess but I'd rather not. Hope whoever it is knows what they are taking on. Its a fairly big project. The saving grace is that development and tooling is already done but still the headaches and expenditure are not going to come out trivial.
                    By building, I mean the kits, not the complete tooling and such. The kits would be shipped here and assembled with the owner at there shop like most gyrocopters are done.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by fara

                      That's not a big deal for any importer or distributor with experience with airplane or other aircraft assembly and test flight in the past. Some basic training is warranted to see the pitfalls that are present in every model. Its amazing how many though want to be distributor or dealers without having this experience just because they have some money to buy a couple of machines. Having money alone does not qualify someone to be a distributor or dealer. They cannot service the customer properly and small mechanical issues become huge issues. No point in having dealers like that. They cannot service the customer and take care of small stuff.
                      I agree 100%, I hope whoever it is does it right and not like the last guy. There hasn't been a market here in my opinion because you have to go to Austria to build the kit, there is no option to build it here.
                      some will say it's because of the price, which has truth to it, but quite frankly, it's still cheaper than most 2 place new airplanes, (Cub Crafters etc.) and considering how much is spent on high performance cars, Zr1, Ferrari, Porsche.

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                      • #41
                        Cub Crafters reminded me of the Carbon Cub and curious about the price I had a search...and a shock.

                        At over $200,000 it was definitely an expensive bit of fun, and nearly twice the price of an Arrow Copter. Flies very nicely though and at over 2,000/min climbs like a homesick Angel.
                        Leigh.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Resasi View Post
                          Cub Crafters reminded me of the Carbon Cub and curious about the price I had a search...and a shock.

                          At over $200,000 it was definitely an expensive bit of fun, and nearly twice the price of an Arrow Copter. Flies very nicely though and at over 2,000/min climbs like a homesick Angel.
                          Don't know where you searched, but I looked into them last fall, sport pilot version, $265,000, xcub base around $320,000, xcub decked out, $400,000 and at least a year waiting time. These are new prices, not used.
                          people say arrow copter is expensive, but I really don't think so considering. Carbon fiber tub, not steel frame with skin. Cleaner design than others. Most of the makes today are like early 1970's formula one cars technology, arrow copter is like 2000's formula one technology, about 30 years difference.

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                          • #43
                            I would think that the steel frame with carbon fiber body would be easier to repair and a lot cheaper.
                            Best Regards,
                            Eddie Sigman,Polvadera,nm
                            (575) 835-4921

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                            • #44
                              Well Air Command is back in business...I suppose any thing can happen! I for one have an eye for the ArrowCopter. My personal favorite. Next would be a AR-1 American Ranger...w/ a yamaha powerplant.
                              Both seem out of reach at the moment...here's to a hope for one or the other to drain my wallet! Either way fun fun.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by eddie View Post
                                I would think that the steel frame with carbon fiber body would be easier to repair and a lot cheaper.
                                I don't know, easier maybe, I've raced different formula cars. I've seen how they repair carbon fiber tubs for example, and to me, looks easier with proper tools, equiptment and repairs are stronger. I've repaired my own tube frame chassis, some minor and some Major, while doing it isn't bad, I like tubs better. Stronger, safer and if designed properly, absorb crashes better than tube.. if I'm not mistaken, arrow copter tubs were designed, built buy a company that also does formula one design, parts.

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