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    I'm looking into forming a group around one of these in Titusville, FL and wondering what folks think - generally - about 4-seat gyrocopters such as the one in the picture? Are they powerful enough? Have gyrocopters matured enough, do they have a high enough payload? In my view, 240kg's useful payload is more like a 2+2 as opposed to an outright 4-seater, I'm just 84kg and so 2 of me up front and that leaves just 72kg in the rear i.e. two youngish teens at best. Anyway, would appreciate your thoughts, and anyone potentially interested in the group, please pm me.
    4-seat gyrocopters - are they there yet?

  • #2
    What do you mean by forming a group around a four seat gyroplane?

    I have not flown any of the four seat gyroplanes so I don't have an opinion.

    In the USA one would need to have a Private Pilot, Rotorcraft Gyroplane Certificate or better to fly a four passenger gyroplane legally.

    Most gyroplane pilots in the USA are Sport Pilot rated restricting them to two seat gyroplanes during the day.

    If it was an experimental, amateur built gyroplane (as most gyroplanes in the USA are) you would not be allowed to rent it to anyone or charge for flights unless you were a flight instructor giving dual instruction.

    I wish you all the best on your aviation adventure.

    Regards, Vance Breese Gyroplane CFI


    • #3
      The only 4+ seat gyroplane I have seen in actual flight was the Groen Brothers Hawk machine. It was a great design, but it was also turbine powered.
      It is common in fixed wing aircraft to have plenty of seats but still not be able to fill them with passengers and simultaneously carry full fuel. The extra space if not filled with people is still helpful for baggage, pets, etc.

      Perhaps you just need skinnier friends; I'm only 65kg.


      • #4
        A couple observations:

        The artwork accompanying this post appears to be a digital painting, not a photo of actual hardware. A/k/a vaporware.

        The term "gyrocopter" is not normally applied to cabin-class gyroplanes such the Groen Hawk, or even the 2-place Xenon, upon which the painting appears to be based. The word was coined by Igor Bensen to identify his bare-bones, open-frame one-seat gyro, which he derived from the WWII Rotachute. Other similar bare-bones machines are sometimes called "gyrocopters." More sophisticated gyroplanes are usually called gyroplanes or autogyros. "Gyrocopter" has negative associations in the larger aviation world -- it's often used as a shorthand for "crazy windowmaker contraption."

        There are aircraft piston engines big enough to power a 4-place gyro, but a turboprop certainly would be lighter. Small gyros need about 1 hp per 10 lb. of gross weight.

        How many did the Fairey Rotodyne seat? It was a small airliner autogyro with twin turboprops.


        • #5
          "windowmaker" ? :)
          I totally agree about the word "gyrocopter". It was a malformed word from the beginning. If you want to use the "pter" form, it should be "gyropter" (circle wing). The "co" comes from "helico" (spiral).


          • #6
            You are a classical-language scholar, sir. In the fifties and sixties, when Bensen started marketing his inventions, there was a plethora of ----copters. In general, cornball names for products were high fashion. We had hobbi-copters, the Hoppi-copter, the Jeri-copter, the Youmercopter and probably somewhere the E-Z-copter, kiddi-copter and who knows what else.

            English speakers aren't used to syllables that begin with "pt." Putting a "co" in front makes a word look more familiar.

            Over in the ultralight world, Jack McCornack had great fun with this, marketing the Pterodactyl, the Pfledge, Ptug, Ptiger and so on.


            • #7
              That reminds me a bit of the PG Wodehouse character, Psmith ("the P is silent, as in pshrimp").


              • #8
                Originally posted by Tyger View Post
                That reminds me a bit of the PG Wodehouse character, Psmith ("the P is silent, as in pshrimp").
                I always like to explain it as, "The p is silent like P in Bed"!!!
                Sorry, I couldn't help it.


                • #9
                  Which is why some of us detest heated car seats.


                  • #10
                    As Graham Chapman said, "It's spelt Raymond Luxury Yacht, but it's pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove."