European growth in gyros

[C. Beaty]

An accurate count of flying gyro numbers is difficult, Kai, unless there’s a requirement for yearly renewal of airworthiness certificates.

The US FAA registry still lists several thousand Bensens, most of which no longer exist because people won’t bother to request a cancellation of registration after it becomes a heap of aluminum oxide or is recycled into beer cans.

[WHY]

Chuck

Is it possible to build a unstable high thrust line beer can ??

Tony

[ckurz7000]

Originally Posted by C. Beaty

When I see claims of 3,000 European gyros manufactured in the past 12 years, I become just a little skeptical.

This list is probably nearer the truth:

http://wiki.fai.org/display/cimaBure...rent+countries

3000 gyros manufactured in Europe in the past 12 years is definitely a dreamed up number. I would think that a third of that would still be ample but much closer to the truth.

-- Chris.

[Learjet]

Quick glance at the South African register looks to be at around 350 or so gyros.
Approx:
123 Magni's
53 RAF's
58 Ela
37 Autogyro Gmbh
48 Sycamore
12 Xenon
16 Bensen
plus others e.g Arrowcopter etc

http://www.avdex.co.za/saregister/html/Search.asp

[gyromike]

Originally Posted by C. Beaty

An accurate count of flying gyro numbers is difficult, Kai, unless there’s a requirement for yearly renewal of airworthiness certificates.

The US FAA registry still lists several thousand Bensens, most of which no longer exist because people won’t bother to request a cancellation of registration after it becomes a heap of aluminum oxide or is recycled into beer cans.

The register may get thinned out some in the near future Chuck.

It used to be that if no action was taken by the owner (change of address, sale, crash, etc.) the aircraft stayed on the register.
But now the FAA sends a letter every three years, and the owner has to re-register and pay the $5 fee or risk having the aircraft de-registered for good.

I just re-registered my plane this month and did my Bensen last year.

[fara]

Originally Posted by C. Beaty

When I see claims of 3,000 European gyros manufactured in the past 12 years, I become just a little skeptical.

This list is probably nearer the truth:

http://wiki.fai.org/display/cimaBure...rent+countries

Chuck step out of the kitchen . In this instance you are absolutely out of your element. 3000 gyros is a low ball estimate. Its probably closer to 4000.
Get outside sometime. It helps open the mind and soul.

[Gyro_Kai]

I get an update from authorities every year (about this time actually) on the current statistics. We need to re-register every so often (I don't remember now). the last years statistics are here:

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29302

Fara, you really are a stirrer, are't you?

Kai.

[fara]

Originally Posted by C. Beaty

An accurate count of flying gyro numbers is difficult, Kai, unless there’s a requirement for yearly renewal of airworthiness certificates.

The US FAA registry still lists several thousand Bensens, most of which no longer exist because people won’t bother to request a cancellation of registration after it becomes a heap of aluminum oxide or is recycled into beer cans.

No Kai knows what went on in Germany Chuck. Don't shut him down. He is about right.

[fara]

Originally Posted by ckurz7000

3000 gyros manufactured in Europe in the past 12 years is definitely a dreamed up number. I would think that a third of that would still be ample but much closer to the truth.

-- Chris.

3000 HTL gyroplanes manufactured "anywhere" that includes places like South Africa for example.

[fara]

Originally Posted by Gyro_Kai

I get an update from authorities every year (about this time actually) on the current statistics. We need to re-register every so often (I don't remember now). the last years statistics are here:

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29302

Fara, you really are a stirrer, are't you?

Kai.

I try my best. Though 3000 was not just manufactured in Europe .

[Resasi]

Yup Kai, new enthusiastic stirrer about says it, and triple posts just to emphasize his point.

[scandtours]

Originally Posted by Gyro_Kai

I get an update from authorities every year (about this time actually) on the current statistics. We need to re-register every so often (I don't remember now). the last years statistics are here:

Kai.

Kai and Chris, you know better than most of us regarding number of gyros delivered by MTO daily.
Of what I have heard MTO factory employs a quite number of employees with an average gyro delivery of four per day. True or false I don't know, but even if this is half true still it is a big number of gyros manufactured per month. Otherwise I don't think they could survive with so many people working there. Of what I also heard is that delivery time is six months.
Even if half of those gyros are delivered within Euro we can easy see that
it is a big number. And this is only MTO. What about all the other European
gyro manufactares.
I believe that your first statement is quite close to reality.

[ckurz7000]

Giorgos,

I am no expert but from the number of gyros registered in Germany and the UK (the main markets in Europe for MTO and Calidus) and Magnis in Italy, I feel that 3000 is an overestimate. Even when taking South Africa and Australia into account. Of Xenons there are a 150 total. Unless I've a blind spot somewhere significant, I still think 1000 is a better number than 3000.

-- Chris.

[Gyro_Kai]

Hello,

last I heard Autogyro-Europe produces one per workday which means about 200 per year.
This high output is only true for the last, maybe 3 years, it was less before.

On a side note: A-E is the largest customer for Rotax 4-strokes.

Kai.

[scandtours]

Ok, the numbers don't play any roll, the most important is that all European
gyro pilots enjoy every minute with threir machines and have fun as as any other gyro pilot
in the world no matter the place.
I am happy that I am one of them.