autogyro: Cloud Dancer II vs cavalon

[freetexx]

Hello! what people think about the new cloud dancer 2?
this have a good electronics and a more modern engine than cavalon?
in addition a lower price! or will cavalon be a much better choice?
think then what you get for your money! the machine seems solid is important for me!


http://www.rotortec.com/products.htm
http://www.auto-gyro.com/Cavalon/

what do you think about these new machines?


Here are some pictures I got from rotortec! since they have so little pictures on their side

[copter]

My Vote

[ckurz7000]

The Cloud Dancer II has been in flight testing for a long time. I haven't heard any news or progress reports from it. I am also not sure how the two stacked rotors are going to hold up and if the rotorhead is properly designed. So I can't tell.

The Cavalon is not a revolutionary design. It builds upon tried and proven technology and will be a side-by-side version of the Calidus. Its flight characteristics are going to fall somewhere between the Calidus and the M24. But that's only a hunch and not based on actual flight experience.

The Calidus and Xenon are two gyros in production and with sufficient fleet experience to form an educated opinion. Of those two, I would -- and actually did -- choose the Calidus. To me, it's just the more exciting and fun machine to fly. Faster, more agile and sporty. A gyro, to me, isn't meant to be flown side-by-side.

-- Chris.

[PTKay]

I have enough adrenalin from other aspects of life.
I don't need more from an "agile, exciting, etc." machine.

I prefer safe, fool-proof, stable design.
And I prefer to be able to look into the eyes of my passenger,
to see, if I have already scared him/her to death, or I can
continue the flight.
(sometimes they get speechless in the back seat,
and then you might be in trouble).

And the same doubts about Cloud Dancer II as Chris.

So my vote is Xenon.
(preferably Xenon 3).

[freetexx]

more pictures of CD2:

[Atrox Animus]

I am an owner of Cloud Dancer I (seems a Merlin gyro) and when I bought my autogyro in 2008 as the Cloud Dancer II was a test and I liked the engine, and although it looks. A lot has changed since I saw it.
I see in these pictures that Mr. Stainback has changed in this new model what I asked to him what had changed in my Cloud Dancer I. The position of the brake to the stick because the position of the brakes was badly positioned on the CDI.
It was to have three blades and ended up having 4 Dragon Wing blades that are excellent but never flew in an autogyro rotor with four blades, so do not know what to say.
On the CD I the nose gear is too light and very nervous causing very sudden changes in direction, from what I see in the photos attached the train is equal to the CD I because the base of structure is the same. I do not like the attitude of the nose gear of CD I.
I am still waiting for the invoice with VAT included as it was had been agreed on the day we closed the deal.

About the Xenon autogyro is a very funny but I would never buy one until I had sure that what the Xenon Ex-Dealers on the net have tell about Mr. Celier. I know the owners of a company that came into contact with Mr Celier to be representatives and it seems to me that what they told me is like what I read in the net. It seems to me that the man is not very serious. But apparently not the only one.

About Cavalon I think the MTO quickly moved to a closed model because it did not spend money to develop the gyro because reportedly copied the ELA. It is very easy to copy but it is not easy to do better. Also the blades are not the best. There are reports of serious problems with the blades of the MTO's. Serious accidents. No doubt that the aircraft is pretty, but I do not know if it's safe.

The Calidus is a MTO also.

By having this idea about people and machines that produce no vote in any.

Warning: It's only my opinion

Atrox Animus

[Gyro_Kai]

Atrox, under which kind of registration do you fly in Portugal?

Kai

[Atrox Animus]

At this moment I do not fly with no registration. I bought the suks CD I machine and I don´t like it. I dismantled it. I'll even make one with the support of some Brazilian friends will help me. They have built theirs and are very good and fly well. It will cost me half the price of the CD I and it will stay as I want and not how the manufacturer thinks it should be.

Atrox

[Brent Drake]

How many horsepower is it.

[Atrox Animus]

So far there is nothing but will have 70 HP.

[Atrox Animus]

If you want to know the price of Brazilian Gyro contact with http://wwwflytech@flytech-pt.com, They are the representativ for the Europe or http://www.hummingbirdgyrocopter.com/ is the home of Hummingbird.

[aerobatic]

I bought a Calidus, but I cannot really vote for it as best gyro without even fly test any others competitors. I don't like the lack of visibility of the Cavalon or the general look of the Xenon, but those are may be better choice over the Calidus for lot of other good reasons.

If it was available here (paperwork job not done yet with Transport Canada), I would have probably seriously consider the european enclosed tandem J-Ro DTA before placing an order for a Calidus...

http://www.dta.fr/JRo/indexJro.html

[Steve_UK]

The "Cladius" doesn't exist - I think you guys mean CALIDUS !