I'll built a littlewing

[jm-urbani]

Hi All,

I had spent 6 months looking for a 2 place gyro to built then I tumbled on the little wing surfing the net.

I have few certitudes in life except I love my wife and my son , but I am gonna built this bird, I have a gyro I am gonna fly meantime coz I know it's gonna be long .

I noticed there very few builders sharing their building experience on the internet .

Maybe some on you are actually building .

I have ordered the plans 10 days ago and waiting to get them ..... impatient I am to be honest ...

If any of you is building or has already built it would be great to exchange .

to be honest I am gonna have the welding work done by a satellite welder man and I have already found a company in France that will make the covering work ...

I'll order rotor and rotor head from Ernie boyett

I was wondering if I should use teleflex for the commands or traditional aluminum bars .

the Ron triple redundant teleflex system is interesting, there is a guy in France building gyros who uses teleflexs his clients are happy with this system while a couple french forum membres say it is not a good system saying there is two much plys in those commad system

what do you think of teleflex ?

regards

jean mi

[Earthboundmisft]

Build a proven pusher bro. Just ask around.

[Alan_Cheatham]

There are quite a few building threads on the Littlewing here on the forum dating back several years, I myself was involved in the framing/welding of a LW-5. Search the Tractor section to find them.

As to pushrod vs Teleflex that will depend if you go with single place or two place, I don't believe you will have the room to go pushrod on the two place as the rear seating position would be in the way.

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[jcarleto]

I put teleflex on the Bulldozer and am very pleased with the results. Lots of folks don't like it. Opinions aside, there are these facts:

Cons:
1. Teleflex is generally heavier. (if it isn't, maybe you undersized it...bad idea)
2. Teleflex is generally more expensive.
3. Push rods are mechanically simpler.
Pros:
1. Teleflex shields the operating portion from contact (bird strikes, passengers hands, hair, etc).
2. Teleflex is easier to route than a fixed mechanical push-rod assembly where space is limited or obstructions exist.

I like Teleflex, so I could add a lot more Pros. They would be my opinion, however, rather than cold hard facts. An example would be that I like the "feel" of the Teleflex system better than the push-rod systems I have flown...but that is my opinion, and highly subjective.

[HobbyCAD]

Originally Posted by Earthboundmisft

Build a proven pusher bro. Just ask around.

Pushers all proven ?? I don't think so... With all the HTL, CLT, POI, PPO stuff, the design has to be "nursed" to be 100% failsafe.

With all the pro's of flying in constant autorotation, how much safer can it get by doing it in a tractor? None of the "biting" can happen.

OK, a pusher is smaller, simpler, great FOV, but a roomy tractor with a radial up front must be the bees knees !!!!

[jm-urbani]

Originally Posted by Earthboundmisft

Build a proven pusher bro. Just ask around.

thanks for your opinion , I already have one (pusher) ... I want the little wing
regards
jean mi

[jm-urbani]

Thank you for sharing your experience

is there a mechanical play with the telefex ?
what about command sensibility ?

regards

jean michel

Originally Posted by jcarleto

I put teleflex on the Bulldozer and am very pleased with the results. Lots of folks don't like it. Opinions aside, there are these facts:

Cons:
1. Teleflex is generally heavier. (if it isn't, maybe you undersized it...bad idea)
2. Teleflex is generally more expensive.
3. Push rods are mechanically simpler.
Pros:
1. Teleflex shields the operating portion from contact (bird strikes, passengers hands, hair, etc).
2. Teleflex is easier to route than a fixed mechanical push-rod assembly where space is limited or obstructions exist.

I like Teleflex, so I could add a lot more Pros. They would be my opinion, however, rather than cold hard facts. An example would be that I like the "feel" of the Teleflex system better than the push-rod systems I have flown...but that is my opinion, and highly subjective.

[jm-urbani]

Originally Posted by HobbyCAD

Pushers all proven ?? I don't think so... With all the HTL, CLT, POI, PPO stuff, the design has to be "nursed" to be 100% failsafe.

With all the pro's of flying in constant autorotation, how much safer can it get by doing it in a tractor? None of the "biting" can happen.

OK, a pusher is smaller, simpler, great FOV, but a roomy tractor with a radial up front must be the bees knees !!!!

Hi I am new to gyros,

I have only flown 40 hours so..... my opinion is not based on reliable experience.

I have chosen to build the little wing for many reasons but the first is the fact that being more efficient and less noisy my environmental will be lessen.

I have traded with myself, I am doing 70% of my transportation on an american electric bike,20% in an electric car, and only 10% in a diesel honda I will abandon as soon as I can buy this bloody volt that you american have promised to the world 3 years ago and I I am still waiting for ((((-:

in return I have allowed myself to fly but I reducing as much as possible fuel consumption and noise .

it appeared to me that the shape of this gyro and the position of the propellers enabled to achieve those two goals .

but anyway my choice is made, I have already hired the welder, I am gonna order the rotors head ....

regards

jean michel

[Alan_Cheatham]

You might want to take a look at these pages:

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/sho...?t=2768&page=3

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/sho...?t=2768&page=5


Also, the main difficulty on a two place LW is going to be the engine selection. Ron Herron has stated the best engine is the Rotax 914 turbo, a very expensive engine but the best choice for power and light weight. Most prospective builders have looked to other gyros just because of this.

He has also stated the Rotec radial has the power to fly two people but so far no two place LW has been built with this engine.

Ron has also stated auto engine conversions are too heavy.

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[jm-urbani]

Originally Posted by Alan_Cheatham

There are quite a few building threads on the Littlewing here on the forum dating back several years, I myself was involved in the framing/welding of a LW-5. Search the Tractor section to find them.

As to pushrod vs Teleflex that will depend if you go with single place or two place, I don't believe you will have the room to go pushrod on the two place as the rear seating position would be in the way.

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Hi Alan,

I have searched the web and this forum and it is true that there are some threads and wed pages as for little wing home building but very few.
on the other hand we have in France and old non profit association called RESAU DES SPORTS DE L'air that give support to amateur builder, and even if they know few about autogyros the fact that the little wing as a classic plane shape will permit me to get support as for welding converting landing gear engine mount etc etc .

however I would have liked to meet more fellow builder but anyway .

as for the teleflex I will of course go to a 2 place and if teleflex are necessary it is a good news , I wont have to make a choice btw 2 solution where I am really not able to make any aircraft design and where I will follow the plans accurately .

what about the LW5 you used to be involved it ?



regards

jean michel

[Aviomania]

Originally Posted by HobbyCAD

Pushers all proven ?? I don't think so... With all the HTL, CLT, POI, PPO stuff, the design has to be "nursed" to be 100% failsafe.

With all the pro's of flying in constant autorotation, how much safer can it get by doing it in a tractor? None of the "biting" can happen.

OK, a pusher is smaller, simpler, great FOV, but a roomy tractor with a radial up front must be the bees knees !!!!

you can also built an HTL tractor design and have all the PPO problems as well.... but generally the shape of a tractor is easier to be CTL or LTL and have a long tail with an effective HS.

Is not the position of the engine it self that makes some pushers "Dangerous".. but the overall design.

[Alan_Cheatham]

Originally Posted by jm-urbani

Hi Alan,

I have searched the web and this forum and it is true that there are some threads and wed pages as for little wing home building but very few.

At one time there were several LW under construction simultaneously by a group of builders, they were documenting this on the forum, here's a couple of links:

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=753

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=948

The forum's search engine leaves a lot to be desired, try searching the forum using Google's advanced search engine, also search for the name mcbirdman as this forum member has posted much information on his LW builds. There is quite a bit of information here but it can be hard to dig it out.

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[Alan_Cheatham]

Originally Posted by jm-urbani

Hi Alan,
what about the LW5 you used to be involved it?

It was a friends project I was helping with, I worked several hundred hours framing and welding, then he decided to sell the project. I was disappointed to see it go. But, I'm building my own tractor design now so at least the experience I gained on the LW wasn't a waste.

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[jm-urbani]

Originally Posted by Aviomania

you can also built an HTL tractor design and have all the PPO problems as well.... but generally the shape of a tractor is easier to be CTL or LTL and have a long tail with an effective HS.

Is not the position of the engine it self that makes some pushers "Dangerous".. but the overall design.

I have never designed any gyro, hence I can't rely on anyone coming from the market place to make a reliable choice

The only thing I can do is surfing the net , reading the books and then make a choice after having read everything

I mean I am not experienced enough to know if as you say pushers like yours are as safe as little wings if they are nicely designed as you certainly think yours are,

not that I don't believe you, just that I won't built a pusher .

I have a pusher, I am learning to fly on a magny

I am gonna built this Lw5, that's it, ron interviews convinced me, this guy has no real commercial interest in this story.

as he says gyro design is not rocket science, and what he says convinced me

if you want to know how all of this started in my mind I'll tell you

my Oncle has dozens of books about cierva's autogiros I have read years ago

After a divorce and having stopped mixed gas deep diving I decided to learn to fly gyros

I was hypnotized by bensen type gyros I mean pushers like yours, good looking simplicity, mad max etc etc

but having problems to perform perfect landings on the magny I started watching dozens of you tubes videos, and among those videos I noticed that picairns, ciervas etc had a very different way of landing in comparison to classic bensen gyros and I appreciate a lot the way they land (ok the videos don't show the head wind et bla bla bla)

again I am not experienced enough to start a conversation about the the pros and con's of tractors in terms of landing etc but my feeling is that tractors are better, just a feeling no need to let me know 120 good reasons of choosing hi cg pusher rather then building the little wing.

I am not trying to convince anyone and I don't have any background to, but believe me after watching those videos this is a little wing I am gonna built

lastly I will say that I have a very good feeling about Ron, this guy seems perfectly honest ... again a feeling.

I hope I will have the opportunity to meet this guy, just for the pleasure of meeting him not even because I will maybe need support

regards

jean mi

[jm-urbani]

Originally Posted by Alan_Cheatham

At one time there were several LW under construction simultaneously by a group of builders, they were documenting this on the forum, here's a couple of links:

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=753

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=948

The forum's search engine leaves a lot to be desired, try searching the forum using Google's advanced search engine, also search for the name mcbirdman as this forum member has posted much information on his LW builds. There is quite a bit of information here but it can be hard to dig it out.

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Hi Alan,

thanks a lot for your help

I 'll let everyone know of my future building story ... god ...

regards

jean mi