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Old 01-20-2011, 04:10 PM
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High-speed trials to follow current testing
The Carter Personal Air Vehicle (PAV) prototype accomplished its first vertical takeoff this week (January 18)
as it wraps up the first phase of flight testing.

Combining the best attributes of an airplane, helicopter, and gyrocopter, Carter Aviation Technologies founder
Jay Carter is attempting to create a vehicle that can go fast, with VTOL capabilities, and be easy to fly.

This week's testing focused on computer automation, which Carter told EAA Radio's Fareed Guyot should allow
someone with a driver's license and a little training to just point the craft in the direction they want to go.

STORY and AUDIO LINK http://www.eaa.org/ehotline/issues/110121.html
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Awesome machine... but... I will assume that prices for this baby in the future would not be in the comfortable zone for what I will call "Personal Air Vehicle"...Now that is just my personal opinion... looks like is going to be in the $150k plus or more...
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That one big mutha,Drivers licence? Don't think so....That one big mutha.....
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you know...that is a good point... I hardly believe that the FAA will allowed that... Driver License to fly a machine bigger than my car.... uhmmm... maybe if Stephen Colbert run for president and make George Lopez the FAA Director...lol....
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You know, it looked smaller in the animations on their website to me - you'd need a BIG garage to park that puppy in! Still, I'm glad to see it slowly coming to fruition. I'll bet Larry Neal had a blast flying it!
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Awesome machine... but... I will assume that prices for this baby in the future would not be in the comfortable zone for what I will call "Personal Air Vehicle"...Now that is just my personal opinion... looks like is going to be in the $150k plus or more...
We could only wish they were going to sell for $150,00. They haven't settled on a price yet, but I'll bet they will be closer to $250,000. If they got their machine anywhere down around $150,000 they would be selling them all day long, every day including Sundays. Now that's still way more than I could afford, but there's lots of LSA Fixed wings that sell for the $100,000 to $150,000 range and they can't hold a candle to this vehicle. This isn't going to be a poor mans aircraft, but if they really can bring it to market, it will be the most capable aircraft on the market. It will do more than Helicopters that cost $500,000 and be safer and easier to fly. I wish them well as they are still a long ways from having a certified aircraft available for the masses, but it is looking better all the time.
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Twin turbo-charged TIO 540 engine -3500 lbs gross - 45 foot rotor - with a 180 MPH cruise @ 12,500 msl with over a thousand miles range (230 mph @ 35,000 feet with over 1300 miles range)

You guys are dreaming. If this comes in delivered under $1M, it will be a miricle.




From the CarterCopter website:

The 2+2 PAV is the aircraft that Carter is currently building as its next prototype. It is a very capable aircraft, and is being designed to be very versatile.

The first prototype will have a 45' diameter rotor and wingspan, with a 300 HP Lycomin IO-540 engine. It will normally operate at 3500 lb max gross weight with a 2000 lb empty weight, but will be able to operate at heavier weights with a rolling takeoff.

This engine will provide cruise speeds to an estimated 180 mph at 7,500 ft. After initial flight-testing, Carter plans to upgrade to the 350 HP, twin turbo-charged TIO 540 engine - the turbo version will provide an estimated 210 mph at full power at 7,500 ft, 223 mph at 12,500 ft or 242 mph at 20,000ft.

Ultimately, Carter plans to integrate Lycoming's new, multi-fuel, IE2engine when it is available.

Several other variants are being designed to use the same basic airframe, while maintaining as many common parts as practical.

NOW THIS ONE MAY BE MORE AFFORDABLE (see below)

The lightweight version will have a 34-ft diameter rotor and wingspan, and will utilize a 100 HP Rotax 914 engine. It will have an expected empty weight of around 1000 lbs, and a max gross weight of 1600 lbs.

A 200 HP diesel version will have an estimated empty weight of 1200 lbs, and a max gross weight of 2400 lbs. Larger versions will use the 45-ft rotor and wingspan. The first prototype being built, as described above, will be used as a Personal Air Vehicle, while a heavier version with a 5000 lb max gross weight will be used as an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), having an endurance exceeding 24 hours.

With a 1200 HP gas turbine engine, the aircraft will have an expected empty weight of 2000 lbs, and will operate at a maximum of 5000 lbs, with a 300 mph cruise speed. For all versions, the aircraft will perform either a vertical take-off or short rolling takeoff, depending on the density altitude, gross weight, and available horsepower.
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Talk the talk and walk the walk . . . they are doing the first steps . . .
Maybe from 2 to 3 hundred thousand.
It must be marketed in a bracket that will bring the most profit, and will beat all competition for the VTOL capability.
Lighter naked versions can be created for the "poor men"!
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Been following the dream for years now. I had a deposit on the 2 place until that got to a crazy estimated price.

It started me on gyros though and I hope it comes to something for Jay. He has certainly put a lot of time effort and money into it.
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I think Paul Moller (Moller Skycar) ,had and still has, the same dream.
I remember back in the early 90's, there was a local investor, which invested substancially with him.
Back then it required the FAA to redesign the airspace system, and create corridors for these non-pilots to "drive" fly thier machines, (all computer controlled) from thier driveways to work. Just tell the computer your destination and it would fly a pre-designed course for you.
I will not say it will never happen, BUT,If the age of the Jetson's were ever to come into existance. The FAA will get thier part done by ------maybe done by ------3011????





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OK, would they fly VFR or IFR ?????

VFR - Verified Flight Roads
...... Velocity Flight Restrictons
IFR - Intended Flight Roads
..... Intense Fear Restrictions
..... Idiot Found Roaming?
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Can you imagine the roadkill at 5:30 every morning!
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Sorry guys.
I'll shut up now!
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