Who won the election????

[GyroRon]

Sorry, but I am either working, sleeping or on this forum. Don't know who won the election. Anyone know?

[quadrirotor]

Sorry for you guys, it seems that your president is reelected and has all the power levels to do what he wants (Patriot Act, Guantanamo, more "preventive" wars to enrich the friends of the family's president, probable conscription...).
He is reelected despite all the facts (1100 young us-soldiers killed, around 100000 non-guilty irakis killed, Ben Laden free to threaten americans, economy goes down, unemployment goes up, commercial deficit goes up, army spending goes up, petrol price goes up, for the middle east people that's Israel and their allied (USA) who are the terrorists, and futhermore since the Irak invasion...).
It appears that 51% of the us-americans are dysinformed by their medias...

[scottessex]

bush......

[chuter]

Andre,

There are some things I don't like about the Patriot Act, but I'm glad that socialist Kerry person didn't win.

[mcbirdman]

Unfortunately? And despite the constant PRO Kerry media favoritism we DID see through it. Andre thinks that media was slanting FOR Bush? What country is he from ? Is the media pro Bush in Canada? I don't know anywhere that it is biased FOR Bush.

How does Bush Winning support the Kerry supportive media influence? I was sick of it all but know it is part of the process. I know that all my brothers friends at Camp Anaconda, Iraq - except for one that he knows.... is celebrating. Put any spin on it you want but the president endured many outragous attacks that were unsubstantiated. Kerry couldn't endure many outragous attacks that could be substantiated through his own voting record.
Either way we choose to see this, a huge voter turnout meant a huge interest in our direction and movement. More republican seats, and many states changing constitutions concerning husband/wife legalities. The dems kept saying voters disinfranchised. Highest turnout since 1968. Everyone had the chance to vote and despite the memo from one of the parties encouraging felonious false reports being created.... People went to the polls and said what they thought, right or wrong, better or worse. I am glad I am not having to feel worse this time. Hopefully time will tell.

[quadrirotor]

James, I am completly confused...What the soldiers, now in Iraq, expect from this election? all the financial benefits to the soldiers have been lowered! the (many) hurted soldiers now in USA have difficulties to have their rights and benefits respected!... What's going on, i don't understand anything!... Someone can help me to understand?...

[mcbirdman]

Hi Andre,

Look, I know it is hard to understand. I can't spend alot of time going into detail but I can tell you that if a huge number of guys with their lives on the line would rather have a leader that they respect and trust, they have been heard. It is easy for us to sit in our chair and say what we are willing to try but these decisions are life changing for all of us but more directly for those that are sent in to kill terrorists at their own peril.

The one way to look at this is that despite many years of attacks for which we did nothing, we have realized we had to do something. It is so complicated but it is known that we try to do what we can for world stability and often get dragged into unfair type fights. It is like going after a bully on principle and having bystanders all around that for different reasons decide to just stand there and watch and say nothing. Some toss weapons and support to the other when we aren't looking. It is not a fair fight although we are trying to be fair. That is why it is so difficult.

We are just in a bad position because either we try to stop a fire from spreading to other countries or just let them fight it out and then we go back in for repair of broken economies which include desperate displaced starving people.

No matter what we do, we are active in trying to help while others are just looking out for themselves. Being so involved risks blurring people's perceptions of our motives. When we don't act - people blame us too - even if it isn't something we participated in. When we do participate we often become the blame no matter how complicated or limited our involvement actually is.

It is just a tough world - but everyone here wants world peace. We just have many ideas on how to go about it. Sometimes it comes time to stop talking and start defending. Whatever the tool chosen for communication we have to chose the same. If they are talking we use talk. If they are using violence then talk will lose, just like the kids game rock, scissors and paper. Application is the hardest part.

Even during the Vietnam war when they said lets talk they were stalling by disagreeing on things like physical table size used for peace talks just to buy time to improve their bargaining power by maybe having enough time to get another battle or offensive in..... Stalling talks while using another tool means time to switch tools. We ended up being stalled so long that they did what they wanted such as prepare for our coming which further complicated where we are today. Much of the stalling was done by our own Dems who wanted to keep standing around talking when we knew there was more going on than that. Does anyone remember how Japan was stalling with talks and diplomatic solutions while secretly manuvering their fleet in closer and closer to Hawaii so they could impose their solution to our opposition? We have to learn how the games are played and to trust what we know, not what we want to think about another. The only deserve the respect they have earned, based on performance and known actions/activities and direction.

For now, think of it as a battleground for the terrorists to show their face in a battle that involves the world. While the fly's are swarming over to an infected area that is being cleaned, we are not being bothered by them. You can thank the troops that they are trying to fix the sore and are keeping the infection fairly locallized. It is still a war and we tend to forget because the battlefield is far away. While we are realitively safe - it is because we didn' wait for more to come here.

[Texas Armadillo]

Quad,

Stop reading Michael Moore crap. Your post is full of inacurate info. You're just joining the group of people that are convinced Bush is responsible for everything, how convienient. Bush didn't create all the problems, but he is dealing with them, and focusing on them.

The reason you are confused is because you are misinformed. 100,000 non-guilty (innocent?) Iraqi's killed? Where'd you get that from?

Guantanamo? I have no problem holding terrorists there for now, we did let some go because people bitched, and they went straight to Iraq and started shooting at us again. Some went to France where the French police arrested them on site and are currently holding them with many more terrorists just like them, But I don't see you mention France... just Guantanamo... why? It's okay for France to hold terrorists, but not us? The Patriot Act? Repulicans AND dimocrats voted that in, but I agree with you it needs to be overturned.

You think the soldeirs in Iraq are over there for the money? Most are there because they were told to go, others because they wanted to go. What they don't want is for their efforts to be for naught. This country gave a dimocrat 8 years as President, and terror got more bold every year because they knew Clinton wouldn't have the guts to respond. They were right, the lack of response got embassies bombed, the Cole bombed, and the towers destroyed. The terrorists proved that if we don't go fight them over there, they are willing to come here. Afghanistan is really getting on it's free feet now, businesses are flocking there and freedom has a good foot hold. Iraq is a tougher nut, but Bush will keep at it until it too is a better place. Our economic decline started when Clinton was still in office, and that pretty much covers the rest of your post. You mention 1100 US soldiers killed, please total up the dead from terror attacks all across the world starting in 1992 and ending today and I think you'll see the reason we are over there, and why there are no more airliners flying in to buildings over here.

54 million voters in the US are mislead by Moore and Kerry just like you, but thank goodness 58 million voters are not.

Hope this helps with the confusion a little.

[Brian Jackson]

I'm tired of having a president that can't pronounce his own weapons... Seems like one of his aids would have tapped him on the shoulder and said "Mr. President, there's no such word as nu-Q-ler".

[scottessex]

as long as he knows where to drop them.....

[Texas Armadillo]

Ha-ha-ha, just listen to somone from the north east try to pronounce any word ending with the letter R.

[Doug Riley]

I'm from the Northeast (Vermont, to be exact). Once on a cross-country drive through the Texas panhandle I stopped at an ag-sprayer's place just to chat and look at his plane. We talked for awhile before I told him where I was from (he hadn't guessed; only people from east of the Connecticut River drop R's)). He said with some surprise, "Well, he-e-ell, ah thought all yoo Yanke' baws tawked funny."

At least that's what it sounded like to me...

[Texas Armadillo]

Yup. Dats raat.

[mcbirdman]

Originally Posted by RotoPix

I'm tired of having a president that can't pronounce his own weapons... Seems like one of his aids would have tapped him on the shoulder and said "Mr. President, there's no such word as nu-Q-ler".

Good thing we don't have a president that voted against like 30 or 40 weapons that he could name but we wouldn't have....

which is more important? Oh well, the people have spoken decisively - despite the leading around the media and liberals have been doing for far too long....

[GyroTyro]

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