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Put on a seperate thread because it is a related but distinct subject.
A backpack helicopter that incorporates; a coaxial configuration, short span blades, collective by rotor rpm, and cyclic by weight shifting is probably the most economical helicopter that can be build and the easiest helicopter to fly. However, critics are rightly concerned that it may be a very unsafe craft due to the lack of speed stability in forward flight, the inability to autorotate, and the risk of stumbling during a stand-up landing. The conventional solution to overcome these shortcomings would be to upgrade the wish-list by adding; landing gear, then longer blades, then a collective, then a teetering hinge, and finally a bigger engine and transmission to lift this heavier craft. By this point the craft is much more expensive to build and somewhat more difficult to fly. In addition, all these upgrades add their own reliability concerns. As an alternative, consider the possibility of taking a very different approach. An approach that might be called 'deconstruction'. Consider the possibility of producing a safer backpack helicopter by reducing its complexities and thereby increasing its reliability:
2. Should a power circuit fail, the motor will still operate, but at reduced power. The objective being; absolute reliability, power for controlled landing, and safe flying. Thoughts???????? Dave Last edited by Rotor Rooter; 09-18-2009 at 09:36 PM. Reason: Grammmmer |
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Having a two position collective that only torque senses & changes automatically isn't a viable option to increase safety the way I see it.
If you're hovering close to the ground the last thing you want to happen if the power goes away is reduce pitch automatically, guaranteed to wad it up. If you're cruising along & lose power, it automatically reduces pitch - so what happens when you get ready to land? Very few helicopters can successfully autorotate to the ground without pulling collective, the only ones I can think of where it's possible under some conditions have very low disk loading plus wheels. I'm defining successful as being able to re-use the helicopter... Don't think the FAA would care for the idea of heavy jettisonable objects, especially ones that can carry a lot of energy. Ever see what a damaged LiPo pack can do?
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Today, all the elements you mentioned are actual experimental stuff, again on R&DD!...
The best combination to have a reliable helico, today, could be this one: http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18431 But if you want to make today an helicopter whith electric elements, you can make a classical monorotor helico like the Safari, for exemple, with an electric fenestron...Electricity could be drawned from the generator of an hybrid car...
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Constructive criticism.
The following is not to disparage any remarks but to attempt to overcome perceived and real shortcomings. Quote:
A/ The failure rate for the motor will probably be far better than the failure rate of most of the many moving parts on today's certified rotorcraft. Quote:
However, the ability to remove the weight of the battery-pack during the final portion of the landing would be extremely advantageous. What if the pack hangs from the harness and can be deposited on the ground. Then the pilot could use the power in the ultra-capacitor to fly a few feet away from it and land. Quote:
A quarter scale prototype of this can probably be built today using stock items, starting with this motor. Double AXi 5330/20 Just ideas. Dave |
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Military pilots sit on a survival pack/dinghy that weighs quite a lot.
After ejection and deployment of the parachute, the survival pack can be lowered on a lanyard so that it hangs approx 20ft below the pilots feet. This means that the pack lands first and the weight is not taken by the pilots body during landing. Emergency landings will hopefully be quite rare. But every landing will be a potential for disaster. A slight stumble will very quickly turn into a dynamic roll over. Look at the injuries paraglider pilots sustain just trying to land parachutes, many many broken ankles and legs. Remember you have a big gyro right above your head and once it is moving you will be unable to resist it from a standing position.
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Karl,
Thanks for the information The concern, which you and others have mentioned, is obviously a serious one. The intent of this thread is to try and eliminate these concerns by a means that does not incur addition weight and cost etc., such as skids. One low cost partial solution might be that of having the motors subject to electrical braking when the pilot fully releases the 'throttle' or when he activates a separate switch. Because the motors are counter-rotating and fixed to a common shaft (stub mast) there should not be any unwanted moments created. This may offer some help. A powered landing should allow for a controlled and stationary touch-down. This is because the weight-shifting of 'absolutely' rigid rotors and the acceleration/deceleration of the low inertia rotors should be quite responsive. This appears to be born out in the Schoeffman videos. Another objective is to negate any possibility of unpowered rotors during the flare and touchdown. Dave |
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