MH1 flys great

[All_In]

Dennis I not sure who attacks who more. We post at thread about flying one of the only flying mini-500’s I’ve ever seen in person or even know about and you come in and try and say
“Yes, everyone says that the Rotax powered Mini-500 tail-rotor makes more noise than any other part of the aircraft, even though that component is quieter than most other helicopters. That says a lot for the design and performance of the main rotor-system. the thread, that sucks for all of the rest of us.”

I do know that ALL of the mini-500 customers of yours that have TALKED to me are not happy with you and they have a VERY different view of reality than you do and none of them have a flying mini-500 that actually flies.

It would make a great TV show… have you show up IN THE STATES with all of the customers you ever sold a kit and the families of all the pilots that were killed in the same studio and have you tell your view of reality to your customers that were actually involved and then they explain their version and let all of American form their own opinion based on both sides of the story.

[bryancobb]

Originally Posted by All_In

...It would make a great TV show… have you show up IN THE STATES with all of the customers you ever sold a kit and the families of all the pilots that were killed in the same studio and have you tell your view of reality to your customers that were actually involved and then they explain their version and let all of American form their own opinion based on both sides of the story...

You've been watching "The Bachelor, The Women Tell All!" Your description matches their format exactly.

That would be entertaining, and tense. The "shrink" on the front row may come to the conclusion that he's "out of touch with reality" because of an Axis II 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

[PW_Plack]

Originally Posted by bryancobb

I would never fly someone else's personal ship for any reason, when my personal ship is off limits to them.

So...when a car salesman offers to let you test drive a demonstrator, you won't do it unless you're willing to let the salesman drive your car?

I don't get it.

[StanFoster]

Bryan- I am still waiting for you to PM me your phone number and best time to to call you! Stan

[DennisFetters]

Originally Posted by All_In

I do know that ALL of the mini-500 customers of yours that have TALKED to me are not happy with you and they have a VERY different view of reality than you do and none of them have a flying mini-500 that actually flies.

It would make a great TV show… have you show up IN THE STATES with all of the customers you ever sold a kit and the families of all the pilots that were killed in the same studio and have you tell your view of reality to your customers that were actually involved and then they explain their version and let all of American form their own opinion based on both sides of the story.

You know John, if you would have been around when I was selling to the market; you may actually know enough to make comments, but... You were not.

You would not know this, but there were a lot of people back then that were very happy with the Mini-500, and many, many were flying. In fact there were far more Mini-500's at the air-shows than all the other helicopters put together. Even with its few teething problems, it was still the best kit helicopter available that really flew and at the lowest price too.

Sure, those poor owners can't be too happy now; after all they lost their factory support and mostly had to stop flying their helicopters, as I recommended them to do.

Are you sure that you would really find enjoyment watching another person suffer public humiliation?

Did you hear that? John. I would rather be me, and have evil acting people like you taking cheap shots at me every day for the rest of my life, than to have your mind and the desire to watch another person suffer. I simply could not live with myself, but the question is how you can?

You know John, you participate in the PRA organization that I have done more to help than anyone else, so I'm not so sure you should be helping that organization with the evil you admitted having in your heart. It’s just not right, and you know it.

Here, let me post something that will really make you mad if you are as you say; I get emails from people all the time. In fact, I got this one today;

I am with a new company now and lost your email address. Just wanted to drop you a line and see how you're doing. I keep following all the idiotic posts on the forum and the senseless attacks on you personally. I for one stand in awe of what you've accomplished in not only the gyro world but the homebuilt Helicopter one as well. I think you've done more to further the gyroplane movement than Igor Bensen.
Hope you're doing well, ttyl

I didn’t post the guys name, but he is one of your forum members and contributes greatly to the movement of gyroplanes. Why can’t I post his name? Because I’m afraid that you and your friends like you will badger him, simply because he does not agree with how you want to portray me. In fact, that is why these people, except for a few, will not post positive things in my defense, because of the fear of ridicule from the forum bullies. And I have to agree, after all, it’s not their fight; they have nothing to gain and all to lose, so why help a fellow pilot?

John, I hope you will take a look in the mirror and reevaluate yourself, because in fact, I find it hard to believe that you are that bad of a person, and saying such things because just maybe you want to rub elbows with the bullies, at least I hope. You really don't want to have them rub off on you.

[DennisFetters]

Originally Posted by gyroplanes

There is so much more to the Fetters saga. I would love to see Dennis show up at Bensen days or Mentone and have a seminar telling the Air Command & Mini 500 story and put this nonsense to bed.

I was happy to meet John Higginbotham at Mentone and heard his side of his involvement with Dennis Fetters. I was not at all surprised at what I heard. I walked away realizing that both men are quite the same and only seperated by misunderstanding. It's a shame that things like this happen. I will bet that had Dennis' world not been turned upside down by folks of ill will, that Dennis would have had a Yamaha and a turbine version of the Mini 500 by now.
I'll also bet that, secretly, Dennis would love to fly the Yamaha powered Mini 500. How could he not?

Tom, I have absolutely nothing against the Yamaha engine. In fact, you can ask john how excited I was when we were talking on the phone about him doing a conversion. Don't forget, I trusted John with the Mini-500 and Voyager-500 production prints because I wanted to see the Yamaha in the Mini-500, and I wanted to see the Mini-500 back into production. So much so, that I gave John a ridiculously low price on the prints and production rights, and was to take a chance commissions over years to be paid.

But as I posted before, after over a year goes by, I send an email asking about my commission payment from all the aircraft and parts he was posting he sold, and he answered back saying that he didn't know about that deal. I sent him a copy of our contract and he just blew me off. I tried to reason with him for some time, but the fact was I was just robbed. I gave him a chance to make good, or I would publicly revoke his privileges. I made all the evidence public on the forum, but the forum owner deleted it, for some reason. Come to find out during the lawsuit, he said he was lying about everything he sold, so I don't know if he was lying on the forum about selling these things, or lying on the deposition to avoid having to pay what he owes. That's the problem when someone lies, you don't know when it's the truth.

I tried to "make it happen" again, but the problem is it seems I picked a thief. You all side with John, and you side with someone that entered a contact with the intention of never honoring it.

If I would be permitted by the forum owner, I would be happy to post our contract ,and the emails John sent me denying to pay me commissions to honor that contract.

[All_In]

Dear Dennis,

It upsetting when you trash a thread like this boasting about the mini-500 when so many of your customers lost money and there lives with a product I feel is under powered and maybe even dangerous.

For newbies you portray it as if it was successful as a Piper Club and still flying.

I was not around and I DO NOT KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE your customers seem equally believable as do you!

The only thing you say that doesn't sound reasonable is that they were all bad pilots and builders. Some percentage yes!

When I met you I liked you as a person and I've posted before that I admire that you can take an idea, design a product, build it, produce it, and market it!

No matter what Dennis no one can take that away from you or change my opinion in those areas and few other people can say they have done the same.

As for your opinion "I would rather be me, and have evil acting people like you taking cheap shots at me every day for the rest of my life, than to have your mind and the desire to watch another person suffer. I simply could not live with myself, but the question is how you can?"

I could easily have thousands+++ of people that I have helped in my life time achieve all they can be and at least 600 annual tax payers that I help for free and 3 charities post much different opinions of me so I can live with myself just fine Dennis.

I've had hundreds of partnerships, built several businesses, created products that I still receive royalties on and they are still using my algorithms in products many of you are using today.

I've NEVER BEEN SUED, NO CUSTOMER HAS EVER LOST A CENT and when a few were unhappy I fixed the problem for free and they are happy today.

I'm still supporting software I wrote in 1990 even though I sold the company because the owner retired and there was no customer support and that is THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

I feel pretty good about myself and sleep well. I've been kind to you if I posted all the hear-say your past customers have told me it would really hurt!

I hope you realize that each time you try and spin reality and trash a thread that there are others that were there and feel they were cheated and it not an attack by bullies but just a different opinion of your actions by your past customers and their view of reality.
Why not just let it go!!! It is what it is and very few are flying today unless modified and it is hard to view the product as a success in any way other than those things I stated above an that I do admire you for.

[DennisFetters]

Originally Posted by All_In

Dear Dennis,

It upsetting when you trash a thread like this boasting about the mini-500 when so many of your customers lost money and there lives with a product I feel is under powered and maybe even dangerous. .

John, I did not trash the thread, in fact I said;

"I’m not posting this to be starting a fight, or to “slander” someone, I'm just a paying member of this forum commenting on your post. I’m undeniably the designer and builder of the Mini-500 helicopter and I’m only posting here so that people will have the opportunity to know the full facts, that’s all, not to start trouble. Anyone starting an argument, becoming slanderous and acting disrespectful here is their decision, and their fault."

As for people loosing money, I didn't make them loose their money. I was not the one that slandered my company until it had to close, in fact I did everything possible to keep it open.

Originally Posted by All_In

The only thing you say that doesn't sound reasonable is that they were all bad pilots and builders. Some percentage yes!

No, I didn't ever say that. I said most of our builders had never built one before, and most builders made many mistakes, and in fact, I never had a customers aircraft that I inspected that DID built it perfect. In fact, they would come to my factory after flying it 40 hours or so with no track and balance, show me a handful of parts that they didn't know where they go, and wonder why they were having these issues.

After we finally found out what some of the design problems were, I took care of them.

Originally Posted by All_In

As for your opinion "I would rather be me, and have evil acting people like you taking cheap shots at me every day for the rest of my life, than to have your mind and the desire to watch another person suffer. I simply could not live with myself, but the question is how you can?"
I could easily have thousands+++ of people that I have helped in my life time achieve all they can be and at least 600 annual tax payers that I help for free and 3 charities post much different opinions of me so I can live with myself just fine Dennis.
I've had hundreds of partnerships, built several businesses, created products that I still receive royalties on and they are still using my algorithms in products many of you are using today.
I've NEVER BEEN SUED, NO CUSTOMER HAS EVER LOST A CENT and when a few were unhappy I fixed the problem for free and they are happy today.
I'm still supporting software I wrote in 1990 even though I sold the company because the owner retired and there was no customer support and that is THE RIGHT THING TO DO!
I feel pretty good about myself and sleep well. I've been kind to you if I posted all the hear-say your past customers have told me it would really hurt!

Wow, John, you sure do get defensive when someone says something bad about you.... or heaven forbid even untrue. And then you start bolstering and bragging about all of your accomplishments and good deeds, and how great of a guy you are......

I guess that's what someone does when their reputation is attacked... just like I had to do, too. Understand now?

[All_In]

Originally Posted by DennisFetters

...

Wow, John, you sure do get defensive when someone says something bad about you.... or heaven forbid even untrue. And then you start bolstering and bragging about all of your accomplishments and good deeds, and how great of a guy you are......

I guess that's what someone does when their reputation is attacked... just like I had to do, too. Understand now?

No Dennis, I did not feel attacked by you and that was more a way to show you that you don't have to do business so folks sue you or lose any money even if it cost me money and if you choose to you could still be supporting them today. I would be even if it cost me every cent I have then no one could attack me!!!

[DennisFetters]

Originally Posted by All_In

No Dennis, I did not feel attacked by you and that was more a way to show you that you don't have to do business so folks sue you or lose any money even if it cost me money and if you choose to you could still be supporting them today. I would be even if it cost me every cent I have then no one could attack me!!!

That's nice John, but the people attacking me never did business with me, except Bryan, and as you can see, nothing can make him happy. Those that did do business with me are the ones on the forum that are friendly and support me. Funny how that works...

The only people i have ever sued were people that broke their deal with me through their own dishonesty.

[GyroRon]

Dennis, as far as I am concerned, I don't really care what kind of deal you and John had, and if he lived up to his end of the deal or not. That is no ones business but yours and his.

The fact remains is your calling the man a liar and a cheat, just as a few people here have called you. You don't like it when they call you that, and neither does John.

As far as I am concerned, if I see anymore postings from you or John on your private business matters, I will ask Todd and Mike to just place the BOTH of you guys on the Banned list. Im tired of reading about it

personally, I do side with John. knowing what I know about him and his business, it seems to me he is still working out the bugs in his own personal ship, so how could he possibly be selling new kits or parts or whatever your accusing him of selling. Eitherway, I don't want you to anwser..... cause im TIRED of reading about it.

[baronpilot]

Dennis. I don't know about your deal with John; however, why did you not just use the insurance money from the flood to relocate and continue on?

[choppergabor]

Originally Posted by DennisFetters

That's nice John, but the people attacking me never did business with me, except Bryan, and as you can see, nothing can make him happy. Those that did do business with me are the ones on the forum that are friendly and support me. Funny how that works...

The only people i have ever sued were people that broke their deal with me through their own dishonesty.

Does the name Lou Topoly ring a bell? Tell me please he is a happy customer of yours. Did you want me to call him and ask him to come back to the forum and repeat your business dealings with him? Please be modest and stop the chest beating as you DO have a lot of skeletons in your closet! Thank you.

[gyromike]

Originally Posted by GyroRon

As far as I am concerned, if I see anymore postings from you or John on your private business matters, I will ask Todd and Mike to just place the BOTH of you guys on the Banned list. Im tired of reading about it

Getting tired of it myself, and getting tired of a few other pot-stirrers too.

[GyroRon]

Theres going to need to be a rotaryforum prison, to house all the banned members if people can't learn to be civil.....