SparrowHawks to be made in China

@Albert
The new world reserve currency will probably be a basket of currency's.
Russia, China, Japan, the oil Arab states and Europe have had at least three secret meetings (hardly mentioned in the media here) already. The US and other countries were not invited or even told officially.
They are fighting among themselves as to what percentage and they all want China to peg the Yuan to something and the Arab's are discussing creating an Arab State currency like the euro for this purpose.
The main problem is I do not think they trust each other country's currency or countries stability as much as they still trust the dollar.
However anyone with a little business sense see the US is spending it way into bankruptcy so they are getting ready.

scottessex said:

China will no doubt be what we (USA) were after WWII, BUT just wait until they get their own versions of the EPA, OSHA, FAA, Labor unions, Enron, etc. Then perhaps we will have a chance at getting some of it back. Eventually the playing field will be level, there will be no "Cheap" labor as every ones standard of living will be the same. The U.S. standard of living will drop down, China,s will come up then there will be no advantage to sending anything over seas since it will be expensive to produce everywhere. Look at Japan, back in the 60's-70's it was crap made in Japan, now Japanese stuff is much better quality, Actually great quality, but the prices are high. Now Korea is in the game, and Korean products are coming up in quality and the prices are also rising.
Look at Honda, Toyota , Nissan (Datsun) etc. for the last 30 years.
Now look at Hyundai, Kia, etc.......

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Good observations here Scott!
The major difference is Japan is made up of small islands with few natural resources and a small population. It will take much longer to raise the largest population in the worlds standard of living.
Many manufacturing co's are competing here with automating. It means fewer manufacturing jobs for people but at least there is still jobs, manufacturing assets, warehouses, transportation assets and jobs for all of those facilities and state, federal, sales, property, and income taxes being paid here. It is a much better plan than paying for socialistic programs that require higher and higher taxes which drive businesses and the rich off-shore in the first place.
We can make America the best place to do business in any time we vote too. As for China it can not automate as many business as we can and still provide jobs for it's masses and the poor masses may revolt for not having the same opportunity and or lifestyle as those in the city for the next 100 years.

Anyway you analyze it there is and are going to be many more new Chinese CUSTOMERS for many new products for at least the next 100 years!! Now if China would just let us import our products to them without tariffs etc.

Also I was shown a picture of the gyroplane they took to China just prior to making this deal. I know who has the picture but he was asked not to post it anywhere.

It was an enclosed two place (at least) with tinned windows and expensive... Looked like a helicopter.

I do not know which gyroplane they are building just wondering out loud.

All_In said:

@Albert
The new world reserve currency will probably be a basket of currency's.
Russia, China, Japan, the oil Arab states and Europe have had at least three secret meetings (hardly mentioned in the media here) already. The US and other countries were not invited or even told officially.
They are fighting among themselves as to what percentage and they all want China to peg the Yuan to something and the Arab's are discussing creating an Arab State currency like the euro for this purpose.
The main problem is I do not think they trust each other country's currency or countries stability as much as they still trust the dollar.
However anyone with a little business sense see the US is spending it way into bankruptcy so they are getting ready.

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I don’t know, but intuition will dictate a reserve currency should come from a stable currency/country. The Arab boys can’t be trusted they stab each other for a camel, The Europeans sill squabbling amongst them, after Putin the Ruble will become rubble, and China does what’s best for China only. Unfortunately, America has over the years has self inflicted the mortal wounds. Financially, politically and morally, the world doesn’t trust you anymore. Will China take the podium? .how knows.

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Albert

@Albert
I agree with your assessment and is what I was eluding to as to why we are still safe, for now. They all feel the US is still the most stable government not to change the rules with the stroke of a king's or dictator's pin.

I do not believe Europe or the Arab's will trust China's current or next dictator not to do what is best for China when next world rescission hits and devalue their currency even further. Do you?

All_In said:

Also I was shown a picture of the gyroplane they took to China just prior to making this deal. I know who has the picture but he was asked not to post it anywhere.

It was an enclosed two place (at least) with tinned windows and expensive... Looked like a helicopter.

I do not know which gyroplane they are building just wondering out loud.

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At the Zhuhai Air Show, China 2010 at Booth Number D1-1A, Hall #1 was a full scale model only from Goren Aviation (have the pics if interested) it boosted having 700 hp turbine engine, the aircraft has vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) capability, comfortable seating for 7 people including pilot, 297 km/hr cruise speed, and a range of 1,145 km. The booth was unattended for the duration of the show.

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Albert

Yaw Mon, post pictures please!!!
We are picture addicts here...
Thank you

Sometimes I don´t understand . . .some guys come here and blast the government, the president, the dems and reps, but now it is the most secure system in the world?
WTF? Either it is or it isn´t, what will it be?
GWB came in to office and change the whole perception of normalcy and respect to other nation´s soverainty, how can the world thrust anything coming from Washington?
Clinton goes out there and they throw flowers at him . . .is the world gone mad?
WE are watching the pain going on about the dollar/euro dispute, said to be one of the reasons Iraq was invaded, all other nations are on stand still and trying to deal amongst their own club. (Brics come to mind)
Europe is about to fold, Germany is buying all the small ones gone broke, the rest don´t like it and England is not on the package, why not?
The information system is sponsored only by english speaking nations, eavesdroping at its best, now what do we suppose to make of that?
This is time for hard ball, no wimps allowed, may the best men win . . .
Heron

@Heron
You are confusing our foreign and domestic policy with our monetary policy.
The major reason they chose the dollar as the World’s Reserve in the first place is compared to any other country we have the same stable monetary policy.
No matter what administration was in power the rest of the world could and can trust our monetary policy to stay the same. I haven’t heard you or any other country complain about our monetary policy. (except when we print new dollars)

Our creditors (China) are worried about the liberal’s foreign and domestic policies bankrupting the US as well they should be. Once bankrupt all the monetary rules change no matter who is in office at the time.
Just like any bad credit risk our interest rates will increase which means the payment just for interest may double, then triple.

Every country knows what that means = printing money to pay just the interest on this massive debt = hyperinflation. The value of the dollar will then fall by a major amount compared to other currencies.

Everyone understand, once China and the rest of the world stop lending us money our interest rates will soar and hyperinflation become self feeding and the our currency will collapse.

They may not like our foreign policy but they still trust our monetary policy more than any other country the proof is they are still using it to buy oil today.

John
There have been talks about some new currencies, The American Dollar, all americas money, the Asian currency, probably heavily influenced by yuan, the European Euro is not holding strong.
They planned the Mercosul currency, don´t think it will fly . . .
Funny is how the British pound has been kept out of the especulations and stands tall even today when GB has been reduced in size and importance.
There is always one dominant currency, the stronger nation has more dealings and its currency is taken as good value.
The fallen dollar may have fixed the inmigration problem, but only brazilians, the smaller group and most productive in the USA, it is not easy to earn enough dollars in America to be able to invest down here, prices high dollar low.
After all these problems, the confidence in the US is very low and that creates a problem until another nation takes its place, which will not be quick. At least a couple of decades, if the US does not fix its internal problems, longer if it does.
Then comes Mother Nature, food production will shift the focus to other places, oil will remain the same, controled by corporations and Big Money.
China has risen, it will stand tall, internal problems and all . . .I hope the US reaches deep inside and get to stay at the table in a good place.
Nothin will happen over night but people from abroad have been in preparations for long time and now they will reach out to grasp their piece of the cake.
I would say again, wake up America, but I think you are awake now!
Interesting times to live on . . .currencies not backed by military power but by people´s capability of produce and consume.
Heron

All_In said:

Yaw Mon, post pictures please!!!
We are picture addicts here...
Thank you

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Can’t imagine the secrecy all about, if they remotely expect to initiate business in China with a mock-up Gyro and a bag company, this would do it. Chinese aren’t born yesterday; they want seen it performing not only on paper. By the way the Chinese have developed a stealth fighter (J-20) apparently is compatible with newly developed air-to-ground weapons revealed by Chinese engineers at the Zhuhai Chinese air show in November.

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Albert

Well, they went even farther than even I thought !!

Tony

Are there any Chinese Alternatives to the SparrowHawks that are being sold in USA?

Should be able to get same quality for half the price IMHO.

Can you make good fiberglass out of rice or would you have to use silk?
Would the frame and fasteners be stamped and approved there or here?
If buying a prebuilt unit do we get to use their test pilots?
Al Waddell never lied to me so I guess this must be a real good venture!:lol:

Canadian Rhino said:

Can you make good fiberglass out of rice or would you have to use silk?
Would the frame and fasteners be stamped and approved there or here?
If buying a prebuilt unit do we get to use their test pilots?
Al Waddell never lied to me so I guess this must be a real good venture!:lol:

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It shows you total ignorance and offensives about Chinese aviation technical expertise, and then you guys wonder why the westerners are coming to China. Is maple syrup Decacer still made in Canada..?

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Albert

Albert, you seem offended,sorry
You see whats going on over here is there is a lot of terrible quality things being imported from your country.
The worst examples are in the motorsport industries like small engines, small motorcycle and quad bikes.
They just break and fall apart so easy!
That being said I am also one of the ones that lost money investing in the company that was making the Sparrowhawk kits when they were still in the USA

Canadian Rhino said:

Albert, you seem offended,sorry
You see whats going on over here is there is a lot of terrible quality things being imported from your country.
The worst examples are in the motorsport industries like small engines, small motorcycle and quad bikes.
They just break and fall apart so easy!
That being said I am also one of the ones that lost money investing in the company that was making the Sparrowhawk kits when they were still in the USA

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Sales men have thick skin, never get offended. China was built on the back of a tricycle. Millions of bike used daily by the Chinese, and truth to say hardly see anyone pushing them. There is not one Chines importer in the USA selling the items you mention above, there are imported by Americans buying junk in China to compete with the opposition. Don’t blame the Chinese, blame the thieving importer. Wal-Mart has a professional buyer station in China, he knows what and where to buy, and that helps your pockets and your economy. Investing in the gyro industries in the USA is wasted money; the aviation money is in China.

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Albert

Thank you that is good info!
Can you give me any info on how to tell the difference between a good made in China product and a bad one?
I already refuse to shop in walmart.
For example do I look for a imported by XYZ Importers from China?
We seem to be getting more and more bad stuff from your country here to Canada
How can I get the good stuff from China?
Thanks Phil

Canadian Rhino said:

Thank you that is good info!
Can you give me any info on how to tell the difference between a good made in China product and a bad one?
I already refuse to shop in walmart.
For example do I look for a imported by XYZ Importers from China?
We seem to be getting more and more bad stuff from your country here to Canada
How can I get the good stuff from China?
Thanks Phil

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It depends what you want to buy. We needed a small late (1000 mm between center) of we went and looked some of them, the blue were ok and the prize was let’s say $1000, the red one same as the blue one was only $700 and there was green one same as the red and blue lathe and only $450. What this tell you..? The red lathe is a copy from the blue and grey one is a copy from the blue lathe. Since you can buy so much trash in China we went to a European manufacturer operating from China and purchased a lathe of the same dimensions for $2,800. A magnificent piece of machinery. Grisly Tools in the USA buys all the machineries for the same manufacturer that makes the green lathes. They do work and there are cheap and most of the hobby guys just want to turn down a law mover shaft.

Good items from China are not cheap at all, not even in China. Before we buy anything made in China; we go and see the factory first, and look the machinery in use, they testing and measuring rooms and what kind of inspection the items are subjected before delivery. Professional manufacturers in China are at par with the western world. Un-professional manufacturers are easy to pick, just driving into the premises having dogs next their the offices, no uniforms for the workers, old machineries, and the place is a pig stay.

If you need something ,let me know, I might be of help.

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Albert

Albert can you not see what I mean?
Us folks over here cant check a factory for uniforms and dogs.
Also you had to buy your lathe from another country?
Are we over here supposed to know this colour code of machines?
Not picking on you or your country.
Just trying to tell you what the China market has to do to improve.
That will be the biggest hurdle of selling China built aircraft over here.
I guess that was the sugar coated version!:violin: