Magni M24 Orion - behind the scene

Angelo
There seem to be two similar oil thermostats, one is made by Mocal and I don't know who makes the other, see attached doc for descriptions. Magni used the second type in the M16 and that is the one I have and it has an open temp of 82°C (I checked mine in hot water and it's dead on 82°C). This is too low for my M16 because it's never very hot in Normandy and I usually fly low and slow so I'm never above 5000 rpm. The Mocal model seems to offer a higher temperature (95°C) as an option.
If you talk to Luca I'd like to know if they have found a higher temperature thermostat.
Mike G
 

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Hi Mike !

I tried hard, but didn't find out till now. Will take a look today directly on the thermostat in the ship. But mind: the M24 Orion has seperate water and oil coolers so I don't know if the result would be valid for You..........

Did You try to tape part of the cooler ?
 
Nice ship Doc. Alway's nice to hear about your adventures.
 
Magni M24 Orion I-9798 is now hallowed

Magni M24 Orion I-9798 is now hallowed

Hi Russ !

Tx for Your appreciation, here is another one:

Yesterday my dental technician Norbert (on MT03) and me (Magni M24 Orion) flew to the Balaton Lake in the midth of Hungary to an airfield festival. Once there, the planes and the gyros were hallowed by a Roman-Catholic priest.

Although I see myself as an Agnostic, from this very moment I flew even more lighthearted at low alt over the Balaton-Lake.:rolleyes:

Now THIS Magni must be the safest gyro on the planet ................

(isn't it strange that a non-believer still can't reject some belief deep inside ?)

Now flying hallowed

Angelo
 

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Hi Mike !

On the long X-country flight last weekend I took a closer look at the oil/CHT-temps. At 4.700 rpm continous they climb barely over 90°C.

Maybe the thermostat is still the "low-temp-openening" one. I´ll try to fix this by taping close the radiators to 2/3rd and will report to You.

Angelo
 
Section-T cert for Magni M16

Section-T cert for Magni M16

Hey folks !

Just received docs that Magni M16 now achieved finally Section T-certification in Great Brittain. Magni M22 and M24 will follow stepwise.

Big step forward, should be easier now to get certification in other countries sticking to these brute section-T-rules.........
 
16 Orions are cruisin´ till now. Majority in France, some in Italy, some in Spain. I learned last weekend that there is a second one already in Hungary at a different airport than mine.

Another 4 are in production right now, waiting list growing.

Now Magni finished section-T-certification in England with the M16 and proceed now with M22 and M24 till the end of this year, then start to certify in other European countries with the section-T-papers (they must be something like a "holy" admission ticket for certification)

Angelo
 
I guess they figure if they can cope with the UK bureaucratic nightmare they are ready for anyone.

Taken six months to sort out paperwork on an engine upgrade to a Bensen and still not finished.

Call it the Commando course on paperwork and continuous hurdles.
 
Angelo
Yes I've taped off the oil cooler but if I'm going to do that I might as well not have a thermostat. The whole idea of a thermostat is that it gets the oil quickly up to temperature (100°C + is required to boil off any water condensation) and then keep it there without the pilot having to worry about it.

Mike G
 
Hi Mike !

Was discussing this with many pilots and aircraft-techs at the airport last Sunday.

(Since I´m not a specialist in aircraft engine specs I simply have to admit what they say.)

Everyone convinced me to be lucky with my low temps CHT and oil (with 2/3rds tape covered still barely over 90°C at 15° ambient temp) since the pure synth-oils (Shell advance Ultra something) we fill in the rotaxes barely take up water and if so, the water still vaporizes also below 100°C AND oil temp is always above 100°C in the cyls.

On the other hand: the less temp the less wear we have cause the oil works best between 75-95 °C as I was told.

So I just have to let it stay like this since - I have to repeat - I´m no engineer nor expert concerning this.

What else they told me would be a little experiment to find out wether there really IS substantial water in the oil. When doing an oil-change You get some 8th of a litre from different fractions of the oil into standard eprouvettes and let them rest unmoving at home for 3-4 weeks. IF there is water it will settle at the bottom of the eprouvette and You can measure how much it is (if any).

Questioning the other ELA, XENON, MTOsport-pilots about their oil-temps they admit that mostly they fly far below 100°C at current weather conds. So the general tendency is that the pilots feel better with temps below 100°C than at or above.

Angelo

(PS: last Sunday two brand new "Calidus" from the MTO3/sport manufs arrived at our airport. Though sleek shaped and somehow nice to look on once again the MTO3/sport manufs did not learn the lessons from the desasters with the MTO3. On one of the two ships the prerotator failed completely since the tolerances where not kept in the assembly and the clutch broke. Now, since the prerot in the Calidus is attached TO THE FRONT of the motor directly to the crankshaft by a clutch instead of in the back, the tech-crew at our apt. had to disassemble the entire motor to change the broken clutch taking a full working day and the facility of a complete tech-shop.

Other findings were: the stick is still too long and prevents resting of the arm on the limb druing cruise-flight, the cabin supports pilots of max. 180cm, pilots seat is simply attached with some adjustable textile straps, climbing in the cabin is still artistic, main airvent blows in the face from directly underneath and so on. The entire interior looks pretty provisional and far from elaborate and ergonomic giving the impression the ship was built primarily as a hull and only afterwards squeezing in pilot, PAX, instruments and steering.

Pilots testing the Calidus reported terrible stick shake/rotor vibes and nervous reactions on side winds.

Last but not least: in case of an accident the pilot will never be able to get out of the machine neither lying on the left or right side since the cabin-hood is manufed in one piece and too solid to be cracked or kicked out by the pilot. Having in mind the lots of burned victims in the MT03 in case of an accident this ship is a mere death-trap.

Once again the MT03/sport company did not learn from their own mistakes and releases a gyroplane which is full of construction faults and very sloppy assembled. I fear we´ll read of a lot of accs with this new type which then once again will be commented as pilot mistakes...... Yeah, my a.., the pilot´s only mistake would be to have bought this crap.......)

I write this ´cause I myself was the victim of the first series MT03 which was grounded 2/3rds of the time due to construction and assembly faults in a brand new machine and was told by the company then that simply this is the way it is in ultralight-airplane-flying. Now I know it better...................... )
 
Angelo
Thanks for asking the questions. As I understand it the problem is that when an engine cools down the air inside contracts (gets smaller) and this sucks in air from the outside that is (in my part of France always) usually humid. As the engine cools overnight the water vapor in the air that was sucked in condenses and then joins with the sulphur that comes from the combustion to form sulfuric acid that causes corrosion. So by running the oil at over 100°C the next time you are sure to boil off this water and although the cycle will repeat itself each time you keep the amount of water very low and hence less of a problem.

That question apart the real interest I have is getting the oil temperature to 50°C as quick as possible to reduce the time wasted sitting with the engine at idle after start up.
I'd like to fit the water/oil heat exchanger cooler that Magni now fit.

It's a shame the Calidus seems not to have been thought through, your comment about not being able to open the canopy is frightening.

Mike G
Mike G
Mike
 
"Flying doors off"

"Flying doors off"

Hi Angelo,
Can the M24 fly with door off? Have you tried this? And I see you said it runs like a Swiss-clock in hot conds. What do you meen with hot conds.? In the northern parts of South Africa the temp. is 35-45 C for 8 - 10 months of the year. Will it still fly like a Swiss clock in this temp?
 
"Flying doors off"

"Flying doors off"

Hi Angelo,
Can the M24 fly with door off? Have you tried this? And I see you said it runs like a Swiss-clock in hot conds. What do you meen with hot conds.? In the northern parts of South Africa the temp. is 35-45 C for 8 - 10 months of the year. Will it still fly like a Swiss clock in this temp?
 
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