J-RO from DTA is Here!!!

[fara]

Originally Posted by PTKay

Fara,

I can see ZEN1 add on your page.
Is this just a teaser or is it serious?

Its a teaser for now because they have to have a 51% kit and commit to it and there is the question of the politics on the Xenon versus Zen1. A decent design, mired in controversy because of personalities makes me think twice to get in bed with them. But I am thinking twice right now, for sure. So I don't know yet.

[jm-urbani]

snow ball effect ... I am heavy ? no problem the market supplies me with bigger trucks, a tractor to cut the grass, bigger gyro, so I can get bigger market will furnish me with bigger car, bigger Airplane seats, bigger this, bigger that ....
not a solution ..
don't know if it is European arrogance to say this, maybe and arrogance is stupid, but god I don't wish anyone found out his 9 year old kid weights 45, believe me the kids don't understand when they can't run in the backyard with their friends, and the market will not find anything to help them do so ...

[fara]

Originally Posted by GyroDoug

Fara,

Rather than spend your energy trying to fight with someone you think might be trying to pick a fight with you, why don't you focus on some positive aspects? (like my question about you bringing a machine to Mentone this year) I asked you twice and you seem to be ignoring me...???

Hi Doug,
I don't think I have to "try" to fight on this forum . You get my drift.

Unfortunately, I won't be able to make Mentone this year. The gyroplane is not here yet and it probably won't make it in its airworthy (with FAA) assembled format till after Mentone.

I did find Wachula extremely small this year. I sure hope Mentone is larger and more broad. I will definitely try and get to later meets.
Best Regards

[fara]

Originally Posted by choppergabor

That is exactly the trick. Us has always been the most innovative problem solver ever. Nobody can touch them on that field! Soooooo I have seen their machines already do just that! And than let the market decide....uhum uhum....like it always does We create good stuff that the public wants trusts and buys instead of building something wussy and regulate the usage of it to fit only a certain group.????

Well lets be specific for this niche industry. No present/current production US built gyro complies with anything anywhere so these statements are meaningless. You don't know by any stretch of imagination if the gyro you are in will meet design, stability, strength, quality of production or manufacturing and COS standards. You certainly know since they are not factory assembled, you are not going to get a work-order-job-traveler to track their QAR for sure. So lets not beat our chests with dreamy indulgence when we haven't proven "shiite". When we do and I have all the confidence in the world that US can, then we can visit this topic and make meaningful statements

[WaspAir]

Originally Posted by jm-urbani

snow ball effect ... I am heavy ? no problem the market supplies me with bigger trucks, small tractor to cut the grass, bigger gyro, so I can get bigger market will furnish me with bigger car, bigger airplane seats, bigger this, bigger that ....
not a solution ..
don' know if it is European arrogance to say this, maybe and arrogance is stupid, but got I don't wish anyone found out that your 9 y old kid weights 45, believe me the kids don't understand when they can't run in the backyard with their friends, and the market will not find anything to help them do so ...

Well, we're not all in the extra-large category over here. I have to rely on my clothing, kneeboard, headset, etc. to get up near the minimum pilot weight in the 18A, and I fly with lead ballast in my single seat glider and when solo in my Bell 47 to put the c.g. in a good spot.

[jm-urbani]

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[Fly Army]

And I thought all they made in Montelimar was nougat !

[stupidceleb]

Hey Fara,

Any plans for a bigger engine on these? Seems most of these European Gyros have potential for so much more with a bigger engine.

[djuhnke]

Originally Posted by stupidceleb

Hey Fara,

Any plans for a bigger engine on these? Seems most of these European Gyros have potential for so much more with a bigger engine.

I was wondering the same thing why they don't have the option for larger engines (either subaru or lycoming engines)

Dan

[Fly Army]

Originally Posted by djuhnke

I was wondering the same thing why they don't have the option for larger engines (either subaru or lycoming engines)

Dan

Because in Europe there is a certification issue. In Europe these same aircraft that we here in the U.S. have to consider experimental are actually sold as certified aircraft - hence the need for a recognized engine. I think a Lycoming O-320 would be too heavy.

[stupidceleb]

Right,

There are however some new certified engines in the 130 and 160hp range. The company making them is called UL Power. Not sure if they are certified yet in specific EU countries but they probably will be in the future. Fuel injected too!

http://www.ulpower.com/engines/index.html

they have more engines that are currently not listed that are even higher hp.

As a lot of you know I am always posting about STOL performance. It's never a bad thing to get off the ground sooner if you're able too! High hp would give most of these gyros a nice boost in take off distance, climb and even cruise. Fuel injection from Fly UL should help with fuel burn too and not to mention, no carb icing.

Jeff

[Brent_Brown]

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[fara]

Originally Posted by stupidceleb

Right,

There are however some new certified engines in the 130 and 160hp range. The company making them is called UL Power. Not sure if they are certified yet in specific EU countries but they probably will be in the future. Fuel injected too!

http://www.ulpower.com/engines/index.html

they have more engines that are currently not listed that are even higher hp.

As a lot of you know I am always posting about STOL performance. It's never a bad thing to get off the ground sooner if you're able too! High hp would give most of these gyros a nice boost in take off distance, climb and even cruise. Fuel injection from Fly UL should help with fuel burn too and not to mention, no carb icing.

Jeff

I know UL Power engine quite well. When they have 1000 flying with half of them that reach TBO, I am sure they will be in the game.

[fara]

BTW, the 914UL performs very well in J-Ro though I did not personally fly it but hearing it from my Swiss friend who did and I trust him