pins and needles

So now we will have a "national identity card" they have been trying for years to do that without success. It will have a chip in it that has all your personal information and probably be required for everything we do. "SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS"
 
Pages 30,50,59'170,425,427,429,430 are enough to scare the sh-- from me. thank you Leigh for posting that short bit.
 
Just wait, they will be taking your 401K to pay for it, since the bill/law will give them
access to all your bank accounts,

Just like the DMV, take a number, and wait untill further denial.
I think a revolution may be very near.
 
You guys discuss it so passionately, but elsewise what have you done besides talk? How many have written their senators?...obviously this is a FLYING forum and not the place for that kind of stuff...When and where will there be the politics discussion debate at Bensen Days this year?

I'm pleased to say my rep and senators were voting no, even the Democrat. I contacted them with my support for their positions.

Ron, this is a flying community, and this is an off-topic forum. For me, part of the purpose of any online community is to get to know the people, and people generally are not one-dimensional.

The forum's not about motorcycle racing either, but I've enjoyed getting to know that side of you!
 
It sure looks like a lot of you didn't sleep well last night, must of been up all night fretting, did any of you plan to go to work?, it seems like your all on the forum this morning.
What a victory for the American people, I love It!.
 
J bird? Do you have a job? do you work? Ever been in the military? are you a sponge on the dole of the government? Where does one get this entitlement mentality?
have you ever accepted personal responsibility?
Can you please just name ONE thing that the gov has done better than private enterprise.
One place where socialism has been a success?
 
... secured by those who laid down there lives for this contry, it's republic and freedom are owed an apology. We didnt give our all! I just went to Micky D's for lunch, on the way back I noticed that one of the schools had on display, in their school parking lot, one of the Cattle box cars.....that was used in WWII to haul Jews to the death camps. They never seen it coming either.
 
never seen it coming!

never seen it coming!

... secured by those who laid down there lives for this contry, it's republic and freedom are owed an apology. We didnt give our all! I just went to Micky D's for lunch, on the way back I noticed that one of the schools had on display, in their school parking lot, one of the Cattle box cars.....that was used in WWII to haul Jews to the death camps. They never seen it coming either.

We saw it coming and still did'nt stop it. There may still be enough people who love our country to over turn this before the same happens to all of us.
Lets pray that the unlearned will step up and change thier minds before it is to late!:laser:
 
scottesex, your last post, does not deserve a reply. Your way off base!
 
It sure looks like a lot of you didn't sleep well last night, must of been up all night fretting, did any of you plan to go to work?, it seems like your all on the forum this morning.
What a victory for the American people, I love It!.

Total ignorance as of what is happening. Stan was right. These are terrorists. Today is the day exactly as it was the day after 9-11. The only difference is in 2001 we all realized we had been attacked. This time around we see Americans dancing on the streets in ecstatic feeling of accomplishment celebrating the destruction of the United States of America. God bless this nation. The enemy is within. Thank you Stan you actually pinpointed it! I am at work Jay there are a lot of parasites depending on my tax dollars to live off of.... So I can't afford not to work....
 
I have told Gabor this....but I always have had a void in my life for not having served in the military. I graduated in 1972 just after the draft was eliminated.

I respect everyone here who served in the military and will always be in debt to them for their sacrifice for our country.

Then there is Gabor who had the gonads and the fortitude to release himself, his wife, and daughter from that satanic bondage of communism. I cant say how much I respect him for that.

The only service I feel I have done to this country was the following....

Back in 1979 I restored a civil war cannon....the ultimate muzzleloader!, for my hometome of Paxton, Il. Paxton is the county seat of Ford County, the last county established in Illinois back in 1859. The U.S. government gave Paxton this cannon barrel. So fast forward to 1979,when I suggested building a replica carriage for it.....with one condition....that I fire that mother at the Memorial Day VFW ceremonies. They took me up on my offer...and I havent missed a year since. Anyway...the veterans are constantly thanking me for the huge crowds that this cannon immediately started drawing in. I get embarrassed each time they thank me...and always just respond..."I never served my country...and this is so minor to what you guys did" I will always be in debt to you veterans.

I can understand the extra passion the veterans have here over these liberal assualts on our way of life......and especially towards Gabor who freed his family from communism...to come here and live life to its potential.

Stan
 
I can understand the extra passion the veterans have here over these liberal assualts on our way of life......and especially towards Gabor who freed his family from communism...to come here and live life to its potential.


Thank you Stan
 
I would also assume that Gabor came over here with nothing...and did not rely on the government to make him what he is today. has anyone EVER said "I would like to thank the welfare programs, and social security for making me the man that I am today"?????

They are selling us the plantation mentality, where the Master (gov) takes care of you, it is slavery. Democrats love poor people, keep them poor, give them a handout, in return for a vote. Watch the coming push for Amnesty right around the corner.


When I joined the military I took an oath to protect this country from enemies, foreign, and domestic!

When the Obama administration finishes destroying the middle class, Then He can implement his marxist plans.



March 22, 2010 | By Edwin J. Feulner, Ph.D.
Repeal

Fellow Americans,

Late last night, in a narrow and partisan vote, the U.S. House of Representatives passed the most significant piece of social legislation in over seven decades. It did so in the face of overwhelming and principled opposition from the American people. Large majorities of Americans oppose this legislation because it offends the historic American dedication to the principle of self-government. They understand that this new law will accelerate Washington's intrusion into our most personal and private decisions.

Ed Feulner Responds to the Health Care VoteThis is why opposition to this bill will only grow. Supporters of this bill argue that popular hostility will recede upon its passage. But, rather than cementing our descent into a European-style welfare state, last night's passage of Obamacare is best seen as a historic turning point, a true catalyst for real change.

I write to reassure our supporters, the conservative movement, and the American people at large that The Heritage Foundation will do all within its power to keep this issue alive in the public square and make the intellectual case for the repeal of this act. We will bring all our resources to bear on behalf of those who believe America is and will always remain the Land of the Free.

This, rest assured, can be done. The American people are never permanently thwarted. President Obama's health care legislation can and will be repealed.

Those who supported this bill are our fellow Americans, and we do not question their good will or patriotism. In public policy, however, good intentions alone do not suffice. And let there be no mistake, our philosophical differences with supporters of this bill are profound. The reason government-run health care has been the holy grail of the left for decades is that liberals realize as much as we do that it is a giant step toward the creation of a European-style welfare state. This is an evolution Americans have always resisted because it is alien to our national character.

If there is one good thing about the past year—one in which we have witnessed unprecedented horse-trading, press stunts, midnight votes and political manipulation in both houses of the U.S. Congress—it is that the American people have come away educated as never before about the differences between these two visions for America. Americans are strongly opposed to this bill not because they have been hoodwinked but because they understand this bill both in its particulars and at an instinctive, gut level.

They understand this health care bill forces individuals and employers to buy insurance policies designed by government bureaucrats. This intrusion is intended to follow us from cradle to grave.

Instead of empowering families and individuals to make their own choices, Obamacare empowers the bureaucracy to make those decisions for them. It is this unelected bureaucracy, unanswerable to the electorate, that will determine the content of health benefits packages, including medical treatment and procedures, and how much will be paid for those services. Yesterday's legislation brings us one step closer to fully government-run medicine, with expanded government power over the financing and delivery of medical services that is sure to ration care in the name of cost control.

You will hear the left say this new entitlement will be popular with the American people. Do not believe them for a second. Yes, 32 million people will gain the theoretical right to health insurance. But over half of that coverage comes from placing at least 16 million more Americans into Medicaid, an unpopular and overextended welfare program that already rations care.

Americans will not stand for it. The American love for liberty prevailed in our founding, and will prevail once again.

In December of 1773, to protest unjust taxation, a group of American colonists dumped tea in Boston Harbor. The punishment for that first Tea Party was a series of intrusive laws passed by Parliament that were so oppressive that they could only be described as the "Intolerable Acts."

Obamacare is today's Intolerable Act. And just as the colonists banded together to enact change after those acts were passed, so should America respond to Obamacare. This law must be repealed.

Much of the fight against this bill will be led by the individual states, a process we encourage. All told, 33 states have already taken steps to challenge various aspects of Obamacare, including its unprecedented mandate that every American purchase health insurance or face a steep penalty for noncompliance. Four additional States will have this question on the ballot in November.

On Capitol Hill, the initial battle over Obamacare will occur when Congress considers whether to fund the tens of thousands of new federal bureaucrats necessary to implement the new law. In the tradition of the Hyde amendment, which prevented federal funding for abortions through annual limitations appended to appropriations bills, conservatives should look to the appropriations process as our first line of defense. Straightforward funding limitations would prevent any Administration official or any bureaucrat from implementing the law.

Our health care system requires reform, and we have long advocated measures to improve our system. We can and should strengthen the ability of American families to choose the coverage they want, rather than giving that power to Congress and its agency bureaucrats. We can also spur competition and choice to bring efficiency and lower costs to the health system, in place of the bill's deadening regulation and damaging price controls. And, above all, we should foster state innovation rather than Washington-based central planning.

But such reforms can only be considered once this tragedy of arrogance has been fully and completely repealed.

Fortunately, there are no permanent victories or defeats in Washington. For millions of Americans and for Heritage, Round One of this fight is over. Today, the Heritage Foundation is answering the bell for Round Two. Join our fight; become a part of our mission. Help us educate our lawmakers, as well as those who aspire to become tomorrow's lawmakers. Together we can make the persuasive case for repeal of this Intolerable Act and thereby return us to our American destiny.

Onward!

Sincerely,
Edwin J. Feulner, Ph.D.



http://www.freedomworks.org/landing...6a024f06e4a8&gclid=CPmhrN-ozaACFRIcswodg1oszA
 
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Scott- Excellent post. You know what....this thread doesnt belong in the off topic section....it very much will effect our freedom of flying as the government slowly encroaches around us...it will effect our available money for this great sport......so in my opinion....would fit right in with any of the flying threads.



Stan
 
You guys are getting (hysterical), "unmanageable fear or outburst of emotion".
 
I'd like to see them add mandatory drug testing for illegal drugs everytime someone takes advantage of their govt health care.
 
The government IS the big thieving corporation, and the majority of the problems have been caused by Gov regulation.
Why can I not buy my health insurance out of state?
How come when I change jobs they cancel my health insurance?
They do not cancel my car or home insurance.
Just think how much prices would come down if there were competition like
there is in the auto insurance.
The Gov is never the answer to anything, The only thing they do well is fraud,waste, abuse, and corruption.

The evil corporations provide many jobs for people,
The shining example of Gov healthcare is the VA, why are people so excited to get VA healthcare?????

J bird, I did not expect answers from you because liberals never give a straight answer. They cannot back up any of their positions with facts.



Right Stan, I know everyone in Cuba enjoys flying their own aircraft...
 
Millions Americans are rejoicing at this bills passage. Millions more thoughtful at the implications.

Some genuinely grateful and with joy at the lifting of intolerable burden and misfortune. Others crowing at the increase of others taking the responsibility of supporting them, braying their triumph.

Many see the passing of personal freedoms, the loss of control over their own lives and a heavier load being imposed on them.

It is in parts compassionate and well meaning. In other parts a subtle taking of power by one party, for one party's majority support. A sweetness for some masking the bitter cost for others.

There is a price to pay, that price never really mentioned, nor upon whom the majority of that cost will fall.
 
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