Bad training or something more serious?

[SGK]

What can an instructor do to minimize the risk of a student after the course showing such a deviant behaviour?

Gyrocopter shortest tackoff UAE - YouTube

What's the problem (besides wrong stick position)? Attitude, mentality, group pressure, bad training with worse examples, lack of knowledge...?

The question is how to identify such a person in an early phase of training? Do instructors just take paid and pretend that it rains (swedish saying, not practice)?

I don't want to get dissapointed. All my pilot friends and students are very mature, reliable and stable. (Knock, knock).

Very good video, I'm going to use it as an example.

[Master Roda]

I've found that with enough money some people find the most spectacular ways to kill themselves.
Thanks for the video, very entertaining.

[gyronutjoe]

Maybe he's a stunt pilot and knows the limits of that gyrocopter.

[hillberg]

spare parts & an organ doner-stupid as money can buy.

[Penguin]

Never spent any time in the UAE, have you?
I have and I see nothing that surprises me.
Except maybe the clearance to the piling to his left.

[Redbaron]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Never spent any time in the UAE, have you?
I have and I see nothing that surprises me.
Except maybe the clearance to the piling to his left.

Looked like he didn't have enough rotor rpm at the top of the boat landing. I thought he was gonna smack the piling too.

[BEN S]

Oh come on now.....its not like we haven't pulled a bunch of stupid stunts off in our day...just didn't have the magic(?) of the ever present video phone to immortalize us.
I like to think ol Mohammad there didn't OWN that gyro and was flying it like he stole it from someone who stole it!
But I have spent enough time in UAE to know he probably has 15 more and NO instruction...

[jebthereb]

there is a saying that i learned in the military......"there is a fine line between hard and retard"

[SGK]

Thank you. This explains much. Never been there, never trained outside Europe which itself is full of deep contrasts but I‘m glad that the video doesn‘t come from here. Some pilots from other parts of the world that came here to get the knowledge didn‘t have difficulties to adapt to our way of thinking, at least during schooling. I‘ve got the training and some experience to teach someone to fly but it‘s not so easy to me to read the student as a book. If I had seen some of my students and friends performing this way, i would be very dissapointed. That would mean that all my efforts were in vain. Don‘t get me wrong, I like people that work hardly to improve something, flying technique for example but this is something else. Anyway, it‘s nothing wrong in being rich.

Roman
www.gyroflyg.se

[wirlybird]

It's a pity that there are people tying so hard to get rid of their riches!
Dave.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by BEN S

But I have spent enough time in UAE to know he probably has 15 more and NO instruction...

LMAO
Yeah. You been there.

[DennisFetters]

If I'm not mistaken that is Sheikh Mohammed Al Mualla, the brother of my good friend Sheikh Hussain Al Mualla. Both are very well trained pilots. Sheikh Hussain is the father of the fledgling general aviation movement in UAE, and a high ranking official in the UAE Air Force. He is also the Rotax distributor in the UAE.

There was nothing wrong with what he did or his takeoff procedure. He had good prerotation, kept it engaged during his roll and loaded it at the right time. This method allows for a faster acceleration without the drag of the rotors. If you know the machine and your limits it is amazing what you can do.... after lots of practice.

OK, maybe it's not how most people can fly, but that don't mean that he can't do it safely. It's very hard to judge how much clearance he had from the angle of the video, but obviously it was enough for him.

I look at the crazies in motorcycle stunts, no way I would try it, but they get away with it because thats what they do best.

Just don't do as they do........... do what you can do and stop criticizing others just because they can.

[Brent Drake]

Originally Posted by DennisFetters

If I'm not mistaken that is Sheikh Mohammed Al Mualla, the brother of my good friend Sheikh Hussain Al Mualla. Both are very well trained pilots. Sheikh Hussain is the father of the fledgling general aviation movement in UAE, and a high ranking official in the UAE Air Force. He is also the Rotax distributor in the UAE.

There was nothing wrong with what he did or his takeoff procedure. He had good prerotation, kept it engaged during his roll and loaded it at the right time. This method allows for a faster acceleration without the drag of the rotors. If you know the machine and your limits it is amazing what you can do.... after lots of practice.

OK, maybe it's not how most people can fly, but that don't mean that he can't do it safely. It's very hard to judge how much clearance he had from the angle of the video, but obviously it was enough for him.

I look at the crazies in motorcycle stunts, no way I would try it, but they get away with it because thats what they do best.

Just don't do as they do........... do what you can do and stop criticizing others just because they can.

Dennis,

I can't believe after all the s*** you have pulled, you are condoning this type of flying by saying it's okay. What will happen is your attitude will help convince a newbie that it's normal to try things like this. It's good your in China, they are not aware of your tactics. Please try to think ahead of what your typing. Several of us are trying to improve the safety of this sport by teaching the flying characteristics of gyros and improving pilot skills. Your input is negative and should be avoided.

[DennisFetters]

Originally Posted by Brent Drake

Dennis,

I can't believe after all the s*** you have pulled, you are condoning this type of flying by saying it's okay. What will happen is your attitude will help convince a newbie that it's normal to try things like this. It's good your in China, they are not aware of your tactics. Please try to think ahead of what your typing. Several of us are trying to improve the safety of this sport by teaching the flying characteristics of gyros and improving pilot skills. Your input is negative and should be avoided.

$hit I pulled?? That's very rich. I don't start $hit, people like you start $hit with how you post and disrespect people. I was simply making a personal comment and observation on a public forum, which I'm free to do. You didn't see me badmouthing anyone or being disrespectful, as you were.

As I said, everyone can't do it. Just because I, or someone else can certainly don't mean you or others should try. And, just because you or others can't don't mean we should limit using our skills. In fact, absolutely don't fly as I fly, and I have always said that. I am NOT an example for a beginner. I push my skills, and I have spent a lifetime honing them so I can, and because I choose to, just like someone at Oshkosh flys in aerial performance or racers do every Sunday on NASCAR. Or, should we ban all them too because someone might try to imitate them??

In the future, try to be more polite and respectful in the way you address someone.

[Master Roda]

Here we go again....