Norman Surplus is requesting help from PRA for completion of around world gyro flight

[Rotormouse]

Wow, is everyone really so jaded and apathetic - just two years on from all the chest thumping and flag waving that first greeted news of Norman’s attempt?

Go out on a clear night and look at the stars, the inconceivable vastness of space – our feeble existence less than dust in the great scheme of things – not even as significant as a walk on the beach. We are nothing, we are pointless, so why bother with anything? Why bother going through the motions of life at all? Sheesh!

‘Tons of toxic radio active materials’ - seriously???

Norman was diagnosed with an advanced stage of bowel cancer when he was only 40 years old. He was facing less than 18 months life expectancy. He chose to act as guinea pig and endure 6 months of formidable new chemo and radiation treatments – so powerful and toxic they were administered by doctors dressed in full anti radiation suits! He didn’t give up, even though it took 4 months before any positive effects could be determined.

Norman fought for his life, now he’s living it. That’s LIVING not existing, slumped in front of the tv or propping up the local bar every night, never straying out of the comfort zone. Go walk on the beach, that’s your prerogative - but after everything the universe has thrown at him, you think Norman will be happy with ‘only’ going half way round the world? No one can expect to see everything no matter how long we live, that’s just daft, and it’s not what this flight is about.

This is one of the few remaining ‘firsts’ in aviation. He can do it – he would have done it by now if not for bureaucracy. Didn’t he cross half way round the globe in just a couple of months as we all cheered him on from the safety of our armchairs? Didn’t he overcome a serious crash in the Philippines to rebuild Roxy and continue on a 400 mile crossing of the Sea of Japan? That’s 5 hours alone over water on a single engine and an open cockpit.

Think about what that really means as we sit safe and warm at our computers. Are we now so smug, our attention spans so short that we can no longer make a tiny effort to support one of our own who’s chosen to do something fantastic - something to benefit others who are suffering the same terrible disease that almost claimed him. He’s doing this to raise money for cancer charities, to help and inspire others who face the hell that he survived. None of us know when it may be our turn.

Whether he succeeds or not, he’ll have tried his best and given 100 percent - and that’s all any of us can do. I’m not giving up either, I hope he does it and I’ll continue to help anyway I can.

[BEN S]

I offered the idea of the media involvement as a way of saying "been there done that" when it comes to dealing with foreign gov'ts. I sincerely hope he does complete the trip. I think it is an awesome challenge.
Ben S

[barnstorm2]

Originally Posted by Rotormouse

‘Tons of toxic radio active materials’ - seriously???

Mouse, don't take anything autom posts seriously, or let it get to you.

That is one of the 'better' posts.

Anything he posts is nearly guaranteed to be non factual.

He has posted that he believes... We did not land on the moon, commercial jets seed the atmosphere with secret mind altering chemicals made in government labs, the government is moving the entire planet back and forth in time, that he is receiving special psysic signals about world events and more.

While that is mostly harmless, he also posts fallacies about people, events and organizations, none of which he has first hand knowledge of and of which he has a complete aversion to checking the facts of.

Some people I have spoken with feed him false rumors on purpose just to see how they come out, like one told him that only six gyros showed up to Mentone and he stared passing it around even though photos of dozens of gyros parked together for the mentone breakfast flight had been posted for days.

Some people won't post build or flight logs here because they are worried he might drop a dime on them during one of his minding of other peoples business campaigns.

Most of the good example threads are deleted, but watch over time and you will see he is attracted to threads of heated controversy and that is where he is most likely to post. Not to calm things down, but to fan the flames.

But as I said, it is not all harmless fun and games, he is the only person on the forum banned for lies and slander that actually came back and started posting again.

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[okikuma]

I'm going to throw out a crazy idea. This idea maybe accomplished much easier than obtaining clearences to land in a foreign country.

Why not use a large boat or ship out at sea to land on and refuel? Ross Perot Jr. did this several times with his B-206 on his round-the-world flight.

Wayne

[barnstorm2]

Originally Posted by okikuma

I'm going to throw out a crazy idea. This idea maybe accomplished much easier than obtaining clearences to land in a foreign country.

Why not use a large boat or ship out at sea to land on and refuel? Ross Perot Jr. did this several times with his B-206 on his round-the-world flight.

Wayne

A gyro-carrier would be awesome.

[automan1223]

Tim,

Since you have turned this into a personal attack I feel the need to correct you.

Ever since I told you to tie down your award winning side by side air command gyro and run the engine until it failed,,,,,,,, and then find the problem, I realized you were not all there..... but instead you decided to be cooler than common sense and balled it up into scrap because the laws of mechanics do not apply to you. But you had to prove you were too cool again... and showed up to a flight exam for CFI, in a gyro that you could NOT FLY !!! Only an arrogant dumb $hit would post a track record like that. Based on your track record I do not think you should be attacking others.

1. The government HAS ADMITTED to performing medical experiments on the population over the last 100 years, and releasing bio-agents. In fact they have notified the folks in Mass. that they are going to do it again this summer. Check the news reports Tm its old news. Not conspiracy, Its pretty much a fact. If you really do not believe me talk to some of the Tuskgee airmen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethic..._United_States

2. Chemtrails are real and large scale weather engineering is ongoing since the early 1990's. .

3. Still waiting for high resolution photos of the moon landing sites, not some bit compressed garbage some kid in high school could have made up on his lunch in photoshop 30 seconds before they doctored Obamas non existent birth certificate. But wait, the original moon landing tapes have been "lost" along with "seal team 6"... Yeah, sure. I believe the "official" story.. Some of these stories you could not get by a 9 year old kid but grown men like you swallow the garbage whole.

4. As far as my China experience I can put you in touch with Deanna tomorrow first thing in the a.m . Chinese officials grabbed her grand kids at the airport as they were trying to leave after a long family vacation. Her husband was sick with cancer but they felt the need to shake down the old man. It is believed the stress from the ordeal ended her husbands life prematurely. This woman (now retired) worked as a teacher with my wife. I do not think this little old lady would make up a story like that. Her husband, worked for a big company and it is believed they do a credit check on you and find juicy targets to shake down. That is a fact jack. The only difference between Vegas and China, is Vegas don't hold you or your kids for ransom if you need gas money to make it home.

But hey man, go ahead and live in your own little world where gravity, and common decency do not exist.

I applaud Norm's attempt but around the world has been done with various modes of transportation. If it is his personal mission then he can find a way. I am sorry that other governments around the world are so corrupt but MAYBE Tim, just maybe, if you send them a nice card, some pretty flowers, and some milk and cookies, they may play nice and invite us all to play over the China Sea. Maybe it would be a good idea to get clearances before you go planning a big road trip but what do I know.

And furthermore. You really have nothing but cheap insults and keep playing the Automan is a rat card. Its getting old, very old. There are LOTS of people that read this forum. Some of them have a lot of time to deal with fools, in various ways. I have no such time to baby sit the rotor club. I find it lots more entertaining to see the final outcome than cut the fun short.

If anyone is fanning the flames, you need only be reminded the other night when Mr Steve decided to call you up and straighten your turkey stuffing out. I feel sad, and bad for you Tim the only thing that exceeds the lack of your intelligence, is your arrogance. You had such potential, but threw it all away on cheap tricks, empty promises and false praise.

Timmy zero, the CFI in his pocket for over a year and still has not soloed a student......

J

[automan1223]

http://www.nature.com/news/fukushima...t-spots-1.9355

google: fukishima radiation map

Originally Posted by Rotormouse

‘Tons of toxic radio active materials’ - seriously???
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[barnstorm2]

Thank you for confirming my post AutoM,

You forgot the planet-wide time travel device, that is my favorite.

As I said that is one of your 'better' posts in that you only confused tons with becquerels per kilogram.

The accident in Japan is serious business, but perspective is important too. We have lit off LOTS of atomic weapons in this country with the results blowing all over, three mile island is only one of many radio active material releases we have had here in the US. and right in your back yard we dropped a bomb on a play house and there is another one, unexploded still sitting of the coast near YOU.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=18587608

http://motherboard.vice.com/2012/4/2...rolina-town--2

As far as philosophy goes, I spend hours and hours of my time every week helping people and this sport. From what I can tell you don't fly, don't help, only wait for carrion to exploit to bring attention to yourself.

Originally Posted by automan1223

Tim, just maybe, if you send them a nice card, some pretty flowers, and some milk and cookies, they may play nice and invite us all to play over the China Sea. Maybe it would be a good idea to get clearances before you go planning a big road trip but what do I know.

Since you don't get enough time away from rumor mongering and putting good people down for doing great things, to actually do some flying, I suppose you would not understand weather, flying delays, permit dates and that you can't just book a trip around the word in a gyro with travelocity.com .

Keep a running total on my soloed students! It makes me giggle!

You will keep the same number until 20 years from now when I retire. I use my CFI cert almost every week, but not for primary training. As always your information is not only second hand but completely wrong.

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[Rotormouse]

‘Tons of toxic radio active materials’ - seriously???

No worries Tim – considering what Norman went through during his cancer treatment, I was enjoying the irony!

It’d be a dull world if we were all wired up the same.

Good idea Wayne. Our HMS Ark Royal has recently been decommissioned - what a cracking gyro base she’d make. Anyone got a few million going spare?

[barnstorm2]

Originally Posted by Rotormouse

‘Tons of toxic radio active materials’ - seriously???

No worries Tim – considering what Norman went through during his cancer treatment, I was enjoying the irony!

It’d be a dull world if we were all wired up the same.

Good idea Wayne. Our HMS Ark Royal has recently been decommissioned - what a cracking gyro base she’d make. Anyone got a few million going spare?

Flying around the Ohio River, and once over the Mississippi with Rudy, I have often wondered about landing on top of a flat barge.

That would be a unique fly-in to start in Ohio and end in Louisiana!

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[automan1223]

T,

Will You ever see the big picture ? We just lost 2 "newer" if not brand new gyro pilots and you are spending time chiding me about total nonsense. If you believe in time travel or not, that's up to you. Very soon your entire paradigm is going to shift in huge ways you cannot possibly imagine. Remember when it happens, all the people you poked along the way for thinking outside of "your" box...

Tons ? how about one particle.... ? Your body is not going to care about which piece of the MOX reactor enters you. It will cause your death, slowly but surely. If not cause some kind of cancer that you will have to deal with until it is removed. The irony here is that Norm's bowel cancer was most likely caused at the tender age of 40 by the CHERNOBYL reactor failure. ALL of Europe got coated with the fallout- food was grown and he ate it .....Now he wants to fly THROUGH a RADIOACTIVE AREA again. Ok. good luck.....all of Japan is glowing, that is a fact, as is everything down wind and down stream. Portland Oregon had the highest levels of radiation compared to local readings in Fukishima.

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Tim: " I use my CFI cert almost every week, but not for primary training. "


Really, ? You have a CFI in your pocket but not for its "Primary Purpose".??? I am confused....... Why did you get it then ?

Tim you are like a porn star that likes to walk around the set swinging his "equipment" for all to see, but never actually perform the job you were hired to do. Which is train and solo students in your gyro. That is why you get a CFI rating !!! Unless its all for EGO, or you are "scared" or just "not that good" in any case it means zero to a student who wants to work time towards a rating. The last thing this sport needs is another CFI with excuses as to why they CANNOT OR WILL not train.....


If you got it for "personal" reasons then you should have kept it to yourself. Otherwise it just looked ridiculous. As was your lame excuse for showing up to an exam in a craft you actually own, but could not fly from the required (instructors) seat. You should have been pink slipped and sent packing. BOTH you and YOUR IMMEDIATE INSTRUCTOR who signed you off need to have your tickets pulled for just being THAT STUPID. But that is just my professional opinion. Bill Ortmayer was the last over papered, over certified monkey in the seat and the PRA protected and promoted his stupidity until a man was killed. I hope, no, I PRAY that history will not repeat itself with you at the wheel....Maybe its a good idea and a blessing that you do not train anyone until you grow up and start respecting your elders and other experienced CFI's like Steve Mcgowan, Duanne H., Jim logan and many others who have forgotten more than you will ever know.........

Listen, I have got better things to do than to entertain the gallery here. And I do not enjoy (as much as you might think) laying out the facts here. You should be smart enough to understand the big picture all by yourself since you are so smart. The only reason I popped in here was to attend the Wrens gathering of flight in Georgia. I was 7 hours on the road and 25 miles out when I got the call the event was canceled. The last large organized event I went to was Bensen days 2006 and terry eiland and bill f. were killed. Later that same year for ROC in Aiken 2 "pilots" , one in a rotorway and another in a RAF crashed but no one was seriously injured but aircraft were totaled.....

It seems not much has changed.....

OH, and in closing. Goes to Ron A. here as well. You guys seem to think I wait for stupid material to pop up and smoke and rat everyone out which is totally not the case. It might feed your pathetic fantasies about who you think I am... but in all honesty, LISTEN UP, Rons problem came from the ORIGINAL owner of the current 2 place gyro. John Stevens. John had a CFI kill himself in the FIRST [single place] gyro he built just after he had sold it when the CFI took the HS off and flew in high winds, leaving behind 2 little kids. Right after the accident.....Ron was one of the first people to come out and blame John, something about there was not enough control stick travel because of the prerotator shaft being too short....This problem was fixed and corrected but John DID NOT appreciate the connotations.

John sold Ron his 2 place dominator 618 trainer, Ron then took the smaller rotax off and put the Yamaha on and had several engine outs which left John very uncomfortable. John was very upset about these developments. I told J to do what he thought was best. I do not know if he called the FAA or someone here called or Ron's luck just ran out. Whatever the case. You will never catch me at mentone, or any major "PRA" sponsored flying event. I have no hard feelings against Ron or anyone else here and I was looking forward to catching up in person at Wrens, sadly that time was cut short and plans changed again due to a possibly preventable situation.


Take care.

J

[barnstorm2]

Originally Posted by automan1223

Really, ? You have a CFI in your pocket but not for its "Primary Purpose".??? I am confused....... Why did you get it then ?.. a craft you actually own, but could not fly

Well, lets get you thinking outside of your box.

I can fly my craft well. perhaps you should get the gumption to look into facts and ask someone directly involved. I have posted photos of hundreds and hundreds of hours of flying my gyro in every configuration as well as other gyros.

Just like you could hardly contain your glee when someone seeded you with the false rumor that only six gyros showed up to Mentone, you did not bother to look into the obvious facts that showed this was untrue, you just started happily calling everyone you knew to tell them the 'good news' that you had some bad news about an event lots of good people work very hard to put on.

If you took the time to ask and think BEFORE accusing you would know all of these things, before you made a fool of yourself by falsely accusing other people. While you do nothing but put people down, most all of these people you put down are busy trying to improve the sport, themselves and others.

Primary Training can only be done by a full-time CFI. Primary Training done by a part-time CFI simply spreads out the effort over years and causes the sport to loose pilots. However, there is still a LARGE need for CFI's to give check rides (proficiency checks), flight reviews, ground school, first lessons and supplemental training assistance to full-time CFIs. Several times a month I help gyro pilots get add-on ratings and flight reviews locally so they don't have to travel hundreds of miles. I have trained over 60 students to take gyro written exams during my own donated time and many more things but I have made my point and have no need to list my resume here.

I am sorry that all of this work and more is just "stupid" from your point of view, but it has and is a great deal of money and effort on my part and I feel the help it has been to the sport has been well worth it.

If all I do is to help even the playing field after all of the lies and mud-slinging you gleefully do every time you find someone to put down, back-stab and back-seat quarterback that is fine with me, I know I am doing some good with my time, and much of it involves flying a gyro.

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[Dale Young]

Johnathan,
I gotta say, I took a long hiatus from this forum mainly because I got tired of seeing the stupid **** that you post. I dont have a personal beef with you, but I just got tired of reading all of the crazy, stupiud, paranoid, conspiracy, psychic crap that you spew.

I think that your nuts and need help.

[gyromike]

Originally Posted by automan1223

Listen, I have got better things to do than to entertain the gallery here.

J

Glad to hear it. You're banned.

Now go forth and do better things with your time.

[NoWingsAttached]

I would have thought that a trip around the world would start with figuring out how to get across foreign countries, not end with that.

Chinese officials are now kidnapping children and holding them ransom as families try to leave the country - and the US Embassy does nothing?? Odd...I've never had any trouble, nor heard about anything remotely related to that. Yet I filled my passport pages up with customs stamps long before it expired.

John: how many times have you been to Asia? Or even Canada, lol. What makes you an authority? Please put me intouch with your friend who had their kids kidnapped, I'd like to get to know them better and try to understand what happened over there. It will make for a good book, maybe even movie rights.

I know personally of many, many families who travel in and out of China with no issues whatsoever. I talked with them both in and out of China. None of us ever had any problems. Is it possible your "friends" put drugs or contraband in the childrens'pockets to smuggle and got caught? Perhaps we're only getting part of the whole story here, that's what I suspect, or the entire thing is pure fabrication.

Back to the topic, I am sorry, the only help I can offer is a letter - written in Chinese, of course. Or a note to the Japanese Consulate in Detroit, or embassy in WDC.