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Old 05-02-2012, 04:36 PM
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Default Here's What Really Happened (Update)

I reported on 4/5/2010 the death of a local well known FW pilot at the airport in Breckenridge, Texas.

Here's what happened:

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/br...04X61705&key=1
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:05 AM
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Very sad. I will say a prayer for his family.
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:10 AM
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So sad to lose a fellow pilot.
My prays and condolences to the family!!!
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:23 PM
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I grew up in Breckinridge and my sister was a good friend of his daughter, who was killed while taking flight lessons. I never really met Howard, but I did introduce myself to him while at the Wings over Houston Airshow. He blew me off with a handful of arrogance. I've seen him fly several times at airshows, and he always put on a good show.
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Old 05-04-2012, 06:59 AM
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He blew me off with a handful of arrogance.
Necessary Bobby? The guy has passed. Just makes you look bad.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:52 PM
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Necessary Bobby? The guy has passed. Just makes you look bad.
Sad, but true statement maybe?

Reminds me of the saying: "you get old pilots, and you get bold pilots, but not old bold pilots...". So maybe this arrogance reference has relevance?
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Old 05-04-2012, 05:26 PM
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No I don't think so.

The guy had had a very long career. Long enough to where I would believe that his record had established his credentials as a pretty skilled operator.

When any of us in any profession go to the limits, that fine edge between a brilliant performance and death, then any slight mistake will end fatally. This I believe has nothing to do with a derogatory comment to do with a personal encounter in which nobody can say what caused the impression Bobby came away with.

Do you know Bobby?

Besides, contrary to your mis-quoted axiom, as it happens, in this case he was just that. An old bold pilot.

I just happened to feel it wasn't a necessary comment. If you didn't feel that way and felt it had it's relevance, well I guess I have just chosen to disagree with that too.

Comes of posting late I guess. Not personal at all.
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Gonna stand up for Bobby this time. I do understand that social justice seems to say never to speak ill of the deceased. However it is also an injustice to deny a man his honest feelings simply because the perpetrator of those feelings has gone on. I suppose it may serve us well to try and remember to clear up misunderstandings and perceived slights in order that at our own passing no one feels the need to vocalize a grudge against one of us.
We are almost all here a rather outspoken lot, and we have partaken of several (recent) squabbles. There have been several apologies as well. Those fellows are the least likely th leave a sour impression on me in case of their untimely demise. Cheers!!
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Gonna stand up for Bobby this time. I do understand that social justice seems to say never to speak ill of the deceased. However it is also an injustice to deny a man his honest feelings simply because the perpetrator of those feelings has gone on. I suppose it may serve us well to try and remember to clear up misunderstandings and perceived slights in order that at our own passing no one feels the need to vocalize a grudge against one of us.
We are almost all here a rather outspoken lot, and we have partaken of several (recent) squabbles. There have been several apologies as well. Those fellows are the least likely th leave a sour impression on me in case of their untimely demise. Cheers!!
Amen brother Frank! Sometimes out of politeness we rather bite our tongues so we "don't look bad" in the eyes of others. Frankly (nu pun intended ) I for one rather appreciate the truth even if it's not a merciful lie! If a person is an a$$ I rather have that info about him than getting a polite but false info. In my experience arrogant people do make bad decisions more often by definition due to their arrogance. Have seen it way too many times..... just and opinion of course.....and it don't mean nuttin'
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Haha, would ya believe it if I told ya me name actually IS Frank Lee?? I don't know too many folks blessed like that! I guess my frankness comes naturally! But dam, I sure hafta do a lot of apologizing.
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Hay Frank...it's in your profile Bro.
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Not the middle name! Probably ought to add it though.
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Old 05-06-2012, 04:33 AM
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Well Frank then I guess that while I will just have to go with my 'honest feeling' that the comment was unnecessary, I accept Bobby's feeling that he had to say he felt the man was arrogant, on a thread that was discussing that man's passing.

Your right, we are an outspoken lot, seems to go with the territory, and yes, we do reserve our right to disagree with each other.

I for one never knew the man, or any of his failings; simply respected his abilities to create grace and beauty in the medium we all love.

Am sorry that someone who could demonstrate that beauty so well, to so many, has left us.
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Old 05-06-2012, 01:31 PM
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I'm sorry about that too Leigh. Somtimes I wish I were involved in something less likely to bring these events upon us so often. But I just can't seem to appreciate needlework the way I do aircraft. So I guess we just have to revel in the joy of actually participating in the one thing mankind has dreamed of for mellinia, and accept the possible consequences of our actions.
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Old 05-07-2012, 07:53 AM
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I don't know the man you are talking about, but in my area, there is one of the best fixed wing/ helicopter pilots I have ever seen, But he is the most arrogant S.O.B. I have ever met, and these are not just my feelings, they are the feelings of every body who knows him. When he dies, his legacy will be what an arrogant S.O.B. he was, not what a good pilot he was. There was nothing wrong with Bobby's post, in my opinion.

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