High Speed Rail or Transrapid Maglev?

Fritz, I don´t see Vance as self centered, he is just very focus on what he does and strive for success while sharing his views.
That is why I can´t undertand his position on the matter.
Fast transportation is what got the USA where it is, I think a young lieutenant draw the actual transportation grid (roads for sure)
Brazil did not grow faster because of this problem, it takes forever to get anywhere here.
So, I will keep guessin and reading
Heron
 
Adolph

Adolph

You better believe it, but in every heard is a confused and self-centered cow, that is the problem.

Adolph Hitler could not have said it better Fritz. And he had a remedy to keep his herd pure of thought and action.
 
The Experimental-commercial track of the Transrapid in China costed so much because, Chinese was not sure the German would deliver the technology, so the track had to withstand a lot! even the installation of a high speed train, not to lose the face!!!

The commercial Transrapid between one metropole of Germany and its airport would have costed so much because the tunnel needed would have costed too much, even for a train; anyway, nothing have been built, even a train...
The german press was not fair by being against the two industrial groups which are at the origin of the Transrapid, by pointing very severely and not very honnestly, every problem encountered by the Transrapid...
The german ecologists demonised, as always, the Transrapid;

but, ecologists are always begging a right of way for frogs through all the rail paths, and elected people are now asking why Germans have sold technology to China, whereas Germany needs eagerly new domains to create jobs!...


Siemens is a small player in the Chinese rail industries, Bombardier AEG and the Japanese (Bombardier is also the number one supplier to the Chinese regional aircraft market with an installed base of more than 30 aircraft in operation with six airlines. It is the top-ranked supplier of business aircraft to China as well Bombardier’s longstanding business relationship with China began 50 years ago) has the market share employing more than 2.500 workers in the Hi-Tech Park Qingdao, the MagLev is only a show off for the upcoming Shanghai International Trade Show. Chinese are happy with 250KPH. Germany has a very good working relationship with the Chinese, they make nice copies from BMW, MBenz, and parts for the VW are exported to Germany.
 
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Believe whatever you want!

Believe whatever you want!

I keep going back and reading Vance´s post and I can´t belive he posted that . . .
his reason for not caring about better transportation is because he does not need it.
I always thought those kind of decisions are made considering the higher percentage in need, not the minority´s interests . . .
If this rapid train trend had the US involved and nations like Brazil were dealing with it, would Vance think it is a good thing?
Heron

Hello Heron,

I will restate my reasons for not supporting high speed rail in the USA from post 8.

I have made choices to not commute.

I don’t like urban sprawl and commuting encourages urban sprawl.

We have trains here and there is little ridership because they serve no purpose and they are badly run.

The point of the post was to suggest an alternate reason to a lack of support of high speed rail than “monopolistic interests covering their assets.”

Why do you think that people need to commute to work?

What purpose do you imagine that high speed rail would serve in the USA?

How does high speed rail serve “the highest percentage in need?”

Thank you, Vance
 
Fritz, I don´t see Vance as self centered, he is just very focus on what he does and strive for success while sharing his views.
That is why I can´t undertand his position on the matter.
Fast transportation is what got the USA where it is, I think a young lieutenant draw the actual transportation grid (roads for sure)
Brazil did not grow faster because of this problem, it takes forever to get anywhere here.
So, I will keep guessin and reading
Heron


Like you said, HE doesn’t need a fast train and in his opinion a waste of recourses, but what about the rest of us? Our public transport is utter crap, we are dependent to import full to run our V8, let alone the ecological problems, our transport infrastructure is null and yet he cretin has the stomach to castigate others wishing a better America.
 
@Vance, High Speed Transport is not for commuting, only slow speed is for commuting...
Distance between Transrapid stations will be around 50 km and more...
The Transrapid will do concurrence to the crowded airplane, with no assle...It is intended to join, safely and queekly, Los Angeles to San Francisco, etc...Big towns peer to peer.
For this purpose, the High Speed Rail train is too slow. High speed train is good for backpackers and for those who can't afford to buy a car...
 
High speed trains are undoubtedly one of the simplest and most comfortable ways to travel (even when you have to march through China's crowded railway stations to do so). Simple and quick to board, easy to move around on during travel, comfortable and spacious enough for 5 hour trips, and at 280 to 380 km/hour, fast enough for me. Until I had experienced it, I had no concept of how much better it was than air travel.

Maglev? Does not really make much sense to me - there are few simpler ways to hold up and move an object than the old tried and true wheel and bearing.

Government infrastructure construction? - I think it is a necessity - until this recent economic crash we had all been pretty well programmed (by government, which was infested with lobbyists, and by big business) into believing only big business could manage big projects. Not true.

China is showing how such government spending can do massive amounts to keep an economy afloat, (many of their major exports are down by 20 or 30%) and I hope they can keep it up for long enough. If they can they will have helped us all, and will have huge amount of infrastructure in place in a very short time. The amount of construction of roads, bridges and freeways happening in the areas I travel through is astonishing.
 
Spreading big urban areas will be the way to avoid polution, the train will be the first asset for any project.
People will live in better areas and commute fast to the working places.
One of the reasons I joined the gyro community is about going faster to some places in time of need. I had this vision when first saw one in the air.
I am talking about some heavily populated areas, Sao Paulo is 40 million, twice Australia and the Greater Sao Paulo city has 22 million people. It is a packed area with huge problems.
Every friday, there is a line of cars going from Sao Paulo to my home town Pirajui, 420 km away. Also the movement of official vehicles transporting coulcilmen, mayors and city workers is very heavy from tuesday to thursday, with the train they can shorten this trip (10 hours round trip) and maybe add more hours with Monday and Friday morning sessions.
Can you see any use for fast mass transportation here? And profit?
thanks
Heron
 
Fast trains will not eliminate or reduce America's dependency on oil

Fast trains will not eliminate or reduce America's dependency on oil

Like you said, HE doesn’t need a fast train and in his opinion a waste of recourses, but what about the rest of us? Our public transport is utter crap, we are dependent to import full to run our V8, let alone the ecological problems, our transport infrastructure is null and yet he cretin has the stomach to castigate others wishing a better America.

Fast trains will not eliminate or reduce America's dependency on oil for V8s or trucks.

Free markets decide such things, and no one but the government would do anything that was not profitable.

A socialist might see it as a free ride with the "rich" people paying for it; but I would bet that the cost per seat/trip would be as high or higher than air travel.

Interstate trucking provides ten-of-thousands of jobs, and travel by automobile is half the fun of traveling across the country. About all high speed trains or maglev would do is boost egos in our information age.

Another tax is another dollar-per-hour off the wage of a store clerk.

Maglev highways might be nice if they provided lane changeability.

Americans spend less than ten percent of their entire tax burden on providing for the common defense; and less than five percent of its entire tax burden on transportation, including public transportation and roads. These are two of the primary purposes of government as enumerated by the Constitution. Assuming another six percent is overhead, police, fire and libraries, where do you suppose we spend the other eighty percent of our tax burden?
 
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I don´t think any project about fast commute is about reducing oil dependency, it is about fast transport with a reazonable cost, thus the use of alternate energy.
The point is: the maglev as a good option/ the fast trains as a good alternative . . .or not! Mixing subjects will enlongate discussion.
Heron
 
Andre,
not every time when something fails, it is a global conspiration. There were many sympathetic polititians who fought very hard for any Transrapid track anywhere in Germany. It just wouldn't fly financially, even in their wildest dreams. We are talking about 70% subsidising but even that didn't cut it in Germany.

This is not speaking for the US, by the way. In the US you have many highly frequented routes which can only be covered by cars or busses. Every day. The railway in a desolate situation, needing complete re-build to become fit for high-speed. There may be a market in the states.

Vance,
you live my dream in many ways, not only in the flying section.

I chose a smaller house I could affort closeby so that I didn't have to commute to my company. Now I am responsible for things in many different locations and spend way too much time in airport lounges. I would really like a quick, reliable and frequent means of transport which would take me home in the evenings.

Sometimes dreams do not continue for ever. Many people have this need and would appreciate good public transport.

Kai.
 
You did not answer my simple questions.

You did not answer my simple questions.

Spreading big urban areas will be the way to avoid polution, the train will be the first asset for any project.
People will live in better areas and commute fast to the working places.
One of the reasons I joined the gyro community is about going faster to some places in time of need. I had this vision when first saw one in the air.
I am talking about some heavily populated areas, Sao Paulo is 40 million, twice Australia and the Greater Sao Paulo city has 22 million people. It is a packed area with huge problems.
Every friday, there is a line of cars going from Sao Paulo to my home town Pirajui, 420 km away. Also the movement of official vehicles transporting coulcilmen, mayors and city workers is very heavy from tuesday to thursday, with the train they can shorten this trip (10 hours round trip) and maybe add more hours with Monday and Friday morning sessions.
Can you see any use for fast mass transportation here? And profit?
thanks
Heron

Hello Heron,

What I see is you are not answering my questions.

Why do you think people need to commute to work?

What purpose do you imagine high speed rail would serve in the USA?

How does high speed rail serve the highest percentage of need?

You bring up the problems in Sao Paulo residents wanting to leave on the weekends because the city has problems.

Why not fix Sao Paulo?

In my opinion people find it easier to leave their mess behind rather than clean it up.

Perhaps with high speed rail Pirajui would have the same problems as Sao Paulo.

These people are the same people who made the mess; why do think that they will be different in Pirajui once it is easy to get there?

The difficulty of the journey, in my opinion, is the only thing that has kept these travelers from destroying the charm of Pirajui.

To sum it up, in my opinion, the Maglev is a neat toy. It addresses the symptoms of poor planning and poor choices. It will allow people to pretend that the government has done something good. I feel that if they had to pay directly what it costs there would be no ridership. I would like to see people find a way to improve their personal environment rather than roaming further afield.

Thank you, Vance
 
I have empathy for you Kai.

I have empathy for you Kai.

Vance,
you live my dream in many ways, not only in the flying section.

I chose a smaller house I could affort closeby so that I didn't have to commute to my company. Now I am responsible for things in many different locations and spend way too much time in airport lounges. I would really like a quick, reliable and frequent means of transport which would take me home in the evenings.

Sometimes dreams do not continue for ever. Many people have this need and would appreciate good public transport.

Kai.


Thank you for the kind words.

I left my studio apartment in my triplex in the San Francisco Bay area to chase the dream of freedom from big cities and their attendant challenges. It was a very expensive choice but it worked out in the end.

You are living a great adventure and there is something wonderful about being so wanted that people will pay for you to get there.

Would you ride the Maglev if you had to pay what it actually cost out of your own pocket?

Thank you, Vance
 
Thank you Andre, I stand corrected.

Thank you Andre, I stand corrected.

@Vance, High Speed Transport is not for commuting, only slow speed is for commuting...
Distance between Transrapid stations will be around 50 km and more...
The Transrapid will do concurrence to the crowded airplane, with no assle...It is intended to join, safely and queekly, Los Angeles to San Francisco, etc...Big towns peer to peer.
For this purpose, the High Speed Rail train is too slow. High speed train is good for backpackers and for those who can't afford to buy a car...


Many of the commuters I know commute more than 50 km.

I can fly from LA to SFO for $65. Would the Maglev save me money if it is not subsidized by the government?

Would it save me time?

I feel that Maglev is not validated as a viable concept just because people will use something that doesn’t take much money out of their pockets.

Thank you, Vance
 
I commute 50 miles each way that is 100 miles a day.
I used to live closer to work, but I wanted away from the city, away from the crime, away from the ghettos. Away from the people, away from the traffic.
Now I live in a town of about 400 I have privacy, and I stop on the way home and get groceries, etc so I do not have to go back out once I am home.

Rapid rail down here would just create an easy path for the city troublemakers to come
down and mess up this neighborhood. :)
 
Vance
It would ease air traffic.
It will make 2 hours to get out of Sao Paulo a nice trip home with confort and safety.
My cousins work in Sao Paulo, go home on weekends. High paid jobs non existent in the little town.
Specialized workers can travel faster and increase performance, we lack those down here.
so on and so forth.
We have 3.000 sport Official to cover the entire State, sometime I travel 6 hours to get to a game, all night on a bus going back, regional aviation non exitent.
Heron
 
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One-way Ticket

One-way Ticket

Vance
It would ease air traffic.
It will make 2 hours to get out of Sao Paulo a nice trip home with confort and safety.
My cousins work in Sao Paulo, go home on weekends. High paid jobs non existent in the little town.
Specialized workers can travel faster and increase performance, we lack those down here.
so on and so forth.
We have 3.000 sport Official to cover the entire State, sometime I travel 6 hours to get to a game, all night on a bus going back, regional aviation non exitent.
Heron

A one-way ticket on France's TGV cost between $160.00 and $350.00; you can purchase a three day pass for $250.00 if you do not mind standing up. It runs much more economically than MagLev, and it's just as fast.

Would that help you Heron? That's with government subsidy. Vance can fly from LA to SF for $65.00.

You say Vance does not want it for personal reasons, which I did not get from his post. But you say you would want it for personal reasons.
 
Can you spell obfuscate?

Can you spell obfuscate?

Vance
It would ease air traffic.
It will make 2 hours to get out of Sao Paulo a nice trip home with confort and safety.
My cousins work in Sao Paulo, go home on weekends. High paid jobs non existent in the little town.
Specialized workers can travel faster and increase performance, we lack those down here.
so on and so forth.
We have 3.000 sport Official to cover the entire State, sometime I travel 6 hours to get to a game, all night on a bus going back, regional aviation non exitent.
Heron

I give up.

Thank you, Vance
 
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