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I think we are the most socialist nation in this side of the Orange.
We share the little we have, we party like there is no tomorrow (literally) and are growing to become one of the top ten economies in the globe.
Indians are pretty much socialists, even though they have to forms of power in control, the medicine man and the chief (xaman and cacique)
When that plane went down in the Amazon forest, we saw first hand what kind of education and respect they have . . .we are not civilized, they are . . .
People get sick of govt and take them down . . .that is it!
Unless it is a strong republic! :D
Heron
 
Check it again please.
- Established March 23, 1919
- Downfall August 6, 1919 Makes it 5 month success WOW!!!!
The big Hungarian revolution in 56 almost 40 years later happened. Your facts are messed up a bit. Trust me I know my history. in 57 Hungary became Hungarian Socialist Folk's Republic under the Socialist leader and dictator János Kádár (I hope he is rotting in hell). Lasted till 1989 when they changed the name to only Hungarian Folk's Republic taking the Socialist OUT! Read it it clearly says SOCIALISM not CMMUNISM! This is factual and by no means Wikipedia stuf that can be edited and written by anyone. They are still rewriting history to fit their agenda. http://books.google.com/books?id=LCGHMrcKesQC&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=socialism+in+Hungary&source=bl&ots=lm1oMcSCa-&sig=JijoEkKiWJJUpy7U68uLgGl9FFI&hl=en&ei=M72BSpzUN9W3tweXq-nKCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
But you haven't addressed my question. Instead of trying to point out what I don't know about my own history, would you explain to all of us here how is it ok for you to use the governments policing power to take away from the ones who earn and distribute it to the ones who don't? One more time! I am asking you. Would you dare to walk into my home and take things from me? Do you think you'd live longer than 20 seconds and not end up with 7 hollow point ACP .45 bullets in the middle of your forehead if you did that? So if you don't think it is possible to do that, why is it ok to use the government to do the same thing? Explain please!!!! Don't divert the facts to some stupid history that no one cares about. I don't want their health care because it sucked. How many of your friends with cancer going to Hungary for treatment? NAME ONE!!! I beg you name one! I don't want the government educate my child either because the institutions are filled with your kind! Poisoning and forcing this insane ideology in young people who are still quite naive. I am sick of you trying to force something down on our throats that you don't have a clue of. Please don't insult my intelligence by questioning my experience with socialism. One last time I will spell it out. I GREW UP IN IT! Ok? Clear on it? And no I was not born in 1919. Man. The government can only take from producers and give it to non producers. Very simple concept. And during REDISTRIBUTION every one that is affiliated with the socialist leadership gets their own part of the money. In very short period of time, nobody seems to work and everybody seems to get paid. How you ask? Borrowing money. By 78 Hungary was soooooo deep in dept they had to sell everything to outside companies in order to stay afloat. They own nothing anymore in that country. Lost identity and lost hope. Please tell me again why is socialism good for anyone? How is it benefiting anyone besides the bunch of losers that have no drive to become or achieve anything anyways. We call them professional parasites. Great for them, Not for the working guy that gets up every morning and goes to work and has a second job and helps out on the weekends to friends to just help them out. I am not the confused one here. You are spewing words out without having any experience of the meaning of them. You have read them in books or websites telling how great it would be. The authors of those words are building their whole life on people like you to parrot those words back with great passion to make it sound good. This is not going to work this time around. Too many of the educated and willing to fight out there nowadays. So since I went from a rich Cubano to a dumb ex Hungarian who doesn't know his own history, I challenge you to not bombard my personality argue the FACTS! I am providing first hand experience against your written in books ideology that has never been implemented successfully. Famous quote" From everyone according to their capability to everyone according to their needs"..... It says it all buddy. Long live Karl and Friedrich huh?
OK I am out. Can't fix stupid.
Cheers

No, socialism is not a determinant of authoritarianism. Monarchies, oligarchies, banana republic dictatorships, feudalism, fascism and other forms of despotism can all be authoritarian without containing a single element of socialism, arguments against any kind of liberal government policy will, 85% of the time, include the basic idea that, “It’s my money!” But a quick glance at the numbers of individuals without health insurance, demonstrates that perhaps, general citizens aren’t experts in healthcare and insurance, and they need a government to help them help themselves. Adopting a handful of good policies that are socialistic will in no way doom the country to wearing matching gray overalls, paying 100% income tax, and standing in ration lines or taking your thinks away. It just won’t.
 
“It’s my money!” But a quick glance at the numbers of individuals without health insurance, demonstrates that perhaps, general citizens aren’t experts in healthcare and insurance, and they need a government to help them help themselves.
What is wrong with the idea that MY MONEY is MY MONEY? It is after all my money. You Libs need to get your hands out of other's pockets. Unless you put something there. That never happens. You say helping to help themselves? I am with you buddy. Except the fact that I go in the direction of charity. I donate on a weekly basis. Do you? Statistical FACT Liberals donate 8%!!!! Opposed to that conservatives and libertarians donate 67%. These are facts again. Wait!!! You do donate. You take the money away from us and redistribute it. That's donation. Isn't it? Can you wrap your mind around people taking personal responsibility instead of having US to pay for their decisions. Let's see. Single mother (glorified by your Hollywood buddies) having 5 kids pregnant with the 6th one no father known. Getting food stamps and full health coverage after all those kids. Boyfriends work under the table and don't pay taxes so they can qualify too. Do you see where I am going with this? And than here you come and reach into my pocket. And you give them. And you go home lay down in bed and feel good about yourself........ Could we rather not reward negative behavior? It might even discourage them to have kids by the dozen with no other to support but the government! So if that's your game go right ahead DONATE and don't take my hard earned money (MY MONEY) away by force. Deal?
 
What is wrong with the idea that MY MONEY is MY MONEY? It is after all my money. You Libs need to get your hands out of other's pockets. Unless you put something there. That never happens. You say helping to help themselves? I am with you buddy. Except the fact that I go in the direction of charity. I donate on a weekly basis. Do you? Statistical FACT Liberals donate 8%!!!! Opposed to that conservatives and libertarians donate 67%. These are facts again. Wait!!! You do donate. You take the money away from us and redistribute it. That's donation. Isn't it? Can you wrap your mind around people taking personal responsibility instead of having US to pay for their decisions. Let's see. Single mother (glorified by your Hollywood buddies) having 5 kids pregnant with the 6th one no father known. Getting food stamps and full health coverage after all those kids. Boyfriends work under the table and don't pay taxes so they can qualify too. Do you see where I am going with this? And than here you come and reach into my pocket. And you give them. And you go home lay down in bed and feel good about yourself........ Could we rather not reward negative behavior? It might even discourage them to have kids by the dozen with no other to support but the government! So if that's your game go right ahead DONATE and don't take my hard earned money (MY MONEY) away by force. Deal?


You are a good socialist, your donations presumably are for the neediest, your money giving to others for whatever cause is socialisms.. But it's been my experience that almost all Americans are socialists, regardless of party affiliation, we may have been conditioned to reject the word, but only while simultaneously subscribing to all of the basic principles it entails. A strong majority of Americans believed that the government should directly fund health insurance for all citizens, "even if it means raising taxes." Support for universal, government-funded healthcare was high across the social spectrum, only 34 percent of Americans disapproved, and if a referendum were held today, we would have full, socialized healthcare in a heartbeat. McCain (Vietnam canary) did cry, "Socialism!" at the tops of his lungs, but dint gain him no votes on Election Day for the very simple reason that socialist policies happen to be supported by a broad majority of the voting populace. There is, inevitably, no such thing as a free market. The government can intervene before a crisis occurs, or it can wait for it to become a true disaster and intervene afterward. America is a socialist country already..
 
I was born Bare assed naked with nothing, and worked for everything I have,
Why is that a hard concept to grasp? If you want something WORK for it!
Most of these people have squandered their opportunities in life and are right where they are because of the decisions they have made.

I should not have to pay for someone else's bad decision making. I could decide to stay home and collect welfare, but I choose NOT to.

Socialism is slavery, and the master takes care of the workers, Plantation mentality plain and simple, most of these folks never wanted to leave the plantation.

The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money!
 
Fritz it would take way to much time to try and point out all of the errors in your understanding.
But think, for just a minute on the last statement!

You really beleive that taking money from people is the same as people giving money to the causes they support. That's the same thing to you? If so you need to see a doctor, seriously?

If I weren't so busy with PRA's business I'd try and help you understand why history as shown socialism won't work. Russia and China have figured it out Capitalism bankrupted the Soviet Union while they were trying to compete in the arms race, their citizens had to stand in line for everything from toilet paper to meat and everything else.

Capitalism was proven to all that have paid attention to create the most wealth for it citizens because to me it's just an extension of the laws of nature. Survival of the fittest.

In the future, the country that helps it's businesses thrive will win the best lifestyle for their citizens it's really as simply as that.

Anything you do to hurt business and you hurt yourself.

You must not have been watching California experiment with socialism, Roar, Convair, General Dynamics, Huges Aircraft Corp. all left for states that were more business friendly in order to compete in a global market and not go bankrupt. Please notice this is solely a list of some of the aircraft industries.

Were bankrupt today, but our economy would still be number #6 in the world if we were a separate country. Look what folks who think like you have done to us!!!! Driven out business and the rich until only the middle class is left to pay for everything.

If we were just business friendly we could be #2 or 3 in the world and California would have a lot more money than they do now to take away a much smaller % but earn more revenue.
 
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You are a good socialist
Fritz you call me a socialist one more time I'll put you on the ignore list. Socialists mangled, imprisoned, and killed friends of mine and family members of mine and demolished the country I was born in and the people who occupied the place I had once called home. I rather not be called one. This warning goes out to you twice. First and the last time at once. Drop the word dude. It ain't funny neither appreciated.
 
You don´t like to be labeled because you thing you are free! You are not . . .
Your money is whatever money is left after the Govt takes its cut out of it to do the social work most don´t want to do. Socialism therefor . . .
If left to each one decide, guess what? Bastille comes to mind . . .
What do you call the big bite on your money left to your descendants?
Problem is: every system will have its thicks and leaches, the corrupt will be around like vampires . . .
What impressed me the most about the USA is the social fabric, the cooperation and socialism that is evident in any group. You guys are unbeatable in helping out and gathering around ideas.
I wich the brazilians were more socialists in that sense.
To many primadonas here!
So forget the label and get to know the system.
And you guys with too much red ink, please lay down the brush and water it down a little so we can continue a nice enlightening conversation. Or I will put a brick to your head!!! :eek:
Heron
 
You don´t like to be labeled because you thing you are free! You are not . . .
Heron
Sir I have seen both sides. Let's just say I am the freest I have ever been. As long as there is human interaction in running lives there is always going to be restriction of freedom. But if I have to choose amongst imperfect places where to live, it is the good ole USA hands down. Just love it! And I ain't trying to change it. It has been the envy of the whole world, can't deny that! Sooooo god bless America and please allow me not to care how somewhere else it's been done blah blah blah... No one comes even close to the US. Period. :usa2:
 
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What can or cannot

What can or cannot

First of all, in my view socialism and communism are not the same. For instance, in a communist society nobody would have property rights, whereas this is not the case with socialism. This is a big difference since property rights are an important part of a capitalist system. For me socialism means that the people who make relatively more money pay relatively more taxes, to put it simply, and thus socialism is about achieving more equality. Your statement that under socialism people ‘just get money handed to them’ or taking your household, is not true, since the revenue that governments get from taxes is not given directly to people with less money to spend on whatever they feel like, Instead, it is given as a subsidy to help people pay for their health insurance, their kids’ education, etc .A degree of socialism is therefore needed now in our country to create a society where people have an equal chance to become successful.

Fritz, the commune cannot exist without socialism, whether communist or capitalized; and a free community cannot exist with socialism. What Hitler and friends decided early on, as did most World capitalists, was that creating a capitalized commune was an inoculation against the communist commune. National socialism was born from that reasoning, and it allowed a nation to be led down the majority path toward exterminating their perceived enemies, the Jew, the gypsy, and the radical right. The nation did not have a history to look to in order to discern these things, all they saw was the immediate economic apple and they were on board whether Catholic, Protestant, or Pagan. They formed a successful commune of opportunity from which there was no escape.

It was not the intention of the Founders of America to form a commune, but to form a free community uncoerced in conscience. This is why our Constitution defines the role of Federal government as the provision of the common defense and the promotion of the general welfare as social endeavor, not socialism. This single ideal of minimal government insures against the populism of the commune. All the Kingdoms of the past were communes, demanding obeisance, and our Founders knew this and abhored it.

We have set the slaves free in America, we have brought the woman alongside; now is the time for for all to be judged and dispatched by Nature and Nature's God, succeeding and failing of their own accord. Once man heads down the path of cutting off this natural process, all that will be left is debauchery, as no one will be accountable but to the laws of man as they can be applied. The worker will no longer have an employer, the woman will no longer have a husband, nor the child a parent as the commune intrudes. Life will have lost its purpose and all will look to slay the bogeyman.
 
Fritz you call me a socialist one more time I'll put you on the ignore list. Socialists mangled, imprisoned, and killed friends of mine and family members of mine and demolished the country I was born in and the people who occupied the place I had once called home. I rather not be called one. This warning goes out to you twice. First and the last time at once. Drop the word dude. It ain't funny neither appreciated.


I meant no offence, but we are already socialists. Socialism is associated positively in many minds in America with a more humane, democratic and egalitarian policy, with a society in which social needs, and not the profit interests of the rich, are addressed. Every significant American politician, as well as many insignificant ones, is a bought and paid for stooge of powerful corporations and financial interests. We have, in effect, the Senator from Oil and Gas, the Governor from Finance, the Representative from Health Care or Defense. Social inequality in America has reached levels disastrous for the functioning of any society; the obscene flaunting of wealth by the super-rich does not go unnoticed. Our president (like him or not) has to intervene on the excesses’ of capitalisms or unless you are blind, you and me are paying to shore up the looting of society, colonial wars and other crimes because the rottenness of the trade unions, the so-called civil rights organizations and liberalism has meant no one speaks up for the needs and interests of the population.
 
83 Super Walmarts

83 Super Walmarts

were opened up in Germany some 8-10 years ago.. Now there are NONE..

How do I know this,,, My "X" and Husband in law went over and supervised the ground work for them..

The government/people ran them out due to undermining the monetary system.. The Mom&Pop stores couldn't compete..

Hey,,, Whats this have to do with gyro's anyhooo

FritZZZ for President !!
 
Sir I have seen both sides. Let's just say I am the freest I have ever been. As long as there is human interaction in running lives there is always going to be restriction of freedom. But if I have to choose amongst imperfect places where to live, it is the good ole USA hands down. Just love it! And I ain't trying to change it. It has been the envy of the whole world, can't deny that! Sooooo god bless America and please allow me not to care how somewhere else it's been done blah blah blah... No one comes even close to the US. Period. :usa2:


No so free, if you care to read the Patriotic Act and if you look at some EO (previous Government and not repelled) amongst others ,HR 1528 requires you to spy on your neighbors, including wearing a wire. Refusals would be punishable by a mandatory prison sentence of 2 years/ EO #11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. I hope you don’t excuse this EO and the Patriotic Act with 911, which was another lie. Communism’s at his best.
 
Fritz it would take way to much time to try and point out all of the errors in your understanding.
But think, for just a minute on the last statement!

You really beleive that taking money from people is the same as people giving money to the causes they support. That's the same thing to you? If so you need to see a doctor, seriously?

If I weren't so busy with PRA's business I'd try and help you understand why history as shown socialism won't work. Russia and China have figured it out Capitalism bankrupted the Soviet Union while they were trying to compete in the arms race, their citizens had to stand in line for everything from toilet paper to meat and everything else.

Capitalism was proven to all that have paid attention to create the most wealth for it citizens because to me it's just an extension of the laws of nature. Survival of the fittest.

In the future, the country that helps it's businesses thrive will win the best lifestyle for their citizens it's really as simply as that.

Anything you do to hurt business and you hurt yourself.

You must not have been watching California experiment with socialism, Roar, Convair, General Dynamics, Huges Aircraft Corp. all left for states that were more business friendly in order to compete in a global market and not go bankrupt. Please notice this is solely a list of some of the aircraft industries.

Were bankrupt today, but our economy would still be number #6 in the world if we were a separate country. Look what folks who think like you have done to us!!!! Driven out business and the rich until only the middle class is left to pay for everything.

If we were just business friendly we could be #2 or 3 in the world and California would have a lot more money than they do now to take away a much smaller % but earn more revenue.

With all due respect, you are already giving your money to the same corporation sending our country broke. Capitalisms in America have only proven paying twice with our money to greedy individuals regardless of the well being of others. A paraplegic is not fit, therefore he should not survive? Thanks to the unions, $80.00p/h is not sustainable, corporation are leaving for more favorable states or going offshore, Boeing assembles in China and you wonder why. It will take us a long time to become the way used to be, a fair society. My doctor doesn’t prescribe drugs.
 
Fritzzz

Fritzzz

I'll say this very quietly so you won't mis-understand me...


QUIT YELLIN DAMMITT

Take a Zanex or Sumthin before you Stroke out

And CHILL

You cannott change anything... if ya think you can..

RUN For OFFICE Go have Sex,


GET HIGH,,,, DO SUMTHIN
 
I'll say this very quietly so you won't mis-understand me...


QUIT YELLIN DAMMITT

Take a Zanex or Sumthin before you Stroke out

And CHILL

You cannott change anything... if ya think you can..

RUN For OFFICE Go have Sex,


GET HIGH,,,, DO SUMTHIN


Thinks are changing (we need more interactive political education) without myself been in office and having sex. We must change to survive and remain as a free and prosperous nation.
 
On the fritz

On the fritz

I meant no offence, but we are already socialists. Socialism is associated positively in many minds in America with a more humane, democratic and egalitarian policy, with a society in which social needs, and not the profit interests of the rich, are addressed. Every significant American politician, as well as many insignificant ones, is a bought and paid for stooge of powerful corporations and financial interests. We have, in effect, the Senator from Oil and Gas, the Governor from Finance, the Representative from Health Care or Defense. Social inequality in America has reached levels disastrous for the functioning of any society; the obscene flaunting of wealth by the super-rich does not go unnoticed. Our president (like him or not) has to intervene on the excesses’ of capitalisms or unless you are blind, you and me are paying to shore up the looting of society, colonial wars and other crimes because the rottenness of the trade unions, the so-called civil rights organizations and liberalism has meant no one speaks up for the needs and interests of the population.

We are not already socialists Fritz. Socialism has its stinky foot in the door, but only people like yourself are socialists. The rest of us are social, but it ends there in our personal decision to be generous or not with our own wealth.

Social inequality is not an economic strata, it is one of gifts and abilities; yet America is the least economically stratified of all nations. Zero is always zero; it does not move. But wealth is created, and grows, so that the economic gap between rich and poor seems larger than before, but it is not in relation to the wealth of nations. Of all the free, westernized nations, few hold a candle to America's wealth and prosperity. Our welfare rolls are smaller; our unemployment rolls under the Bush administration were as low as they could be driven, and though higher now are still lower than the socialized nations; our poverty income level is nearly as high as the EEU's average income level, and our average income is nearly fifty percent higher than our EEU counterpart's. And all the nations of the EEU have failing socialized medicine where those who can afford it buy extra coverage, and the rest just suffer.

On top of all this, the crime rate in most EEU member countries is grossly higher than in America while the crime rates for New Zealand and Australia are three and four times higher than in America. On top of this, we protect the World, setting men free, lead all scientific inquiry, and we give away more than any other people on the planet.

Enough is enough.
 
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I am not sure what large type means. Is that like yelling?

Sometimes I 'm not interested in reading about B-boxes, so I don't click on a thread about them.
 
We are not already socialists Fritz. Socialism has its stinky foot in the door, but only people like yourself are socialists. The rest of us are social, but it ends there in our personal decision to be generous or not with our own wealth.

Social inequality is not an economic strata, it is one of gifts and abilities; yet America is the least economically stratified of all nations. Zero is always zero; it does not move. But wealth is created, and grows, so that the economic gap between rich and poor seems larger than before, but it is not in relation to the wealth of nations. Of all the free, westernized nations, few hold a candle to America's wealth and prosperity. Our welfare rolls are smaller; our unemployment rolls under the Bush administration were as low as they could be driven, and though higher now are still lower than the socialized nations; our poverty income level is nearly as high as the EEU's average income level, and our average income is nearly fifty percent higher than our EEU counterpart's. And all the nations of the EEU have failing socialized medicine where those who can afford it buy extra coverage, and the rest just suffer.

On top of all this, the crime rate in most EEU member countries is grossly higher than in America while the crime rates for New Zealand and Australia are three and four times higher than in America. On top of this, we protect the World, setting men free, lead all scientific inquiry, and we give away more than any other people on the planet.

Enough is enough.




I always respect other people opinions, but social inequality is expressed through the unequal distribution of wealth in society, and is the expression of lack of access to housing, health care, eduction, employment opportunities, and status. It is the exclusion of people from full and equal participation in what we, the members of society, perceive as being valuable, important personally worthwhile and socially desirable. This discussion of inequality in America is a taboo subject because of the national reluctance to examine how the class system of the United States operates on a day-to-day basis, we do not learn from our schools or media how a privileged but organized minority of Americans is able to amass a disproportionate share of our national wealth and to transmit that privilege across generations to create a permanent economic, political, and social elite class. On crime,there are valid statistics that prove crime is increasing among adolescents, that more men commit crimes than women, and that urban areas suffer from higher rates of crime than their rural counterparts. Further, there is more crime in the United States than in any other industrial nation. What could possibly explain these phenomenon? it’s the economy! More exactly, it is because of the class stratification manifested by capitalism in a society that continues to over-emphasize materialism as the gap between rich and poor continues to widen. We don’t liberate neither protect the world but we protect by force, interventions and crime our big business interest. We don’t give away anything , we take as much as we can. The Monroe Doctrine is the bedrocks of expansionism and intervention which has caused so much misery, death and impoverishment for millions across Latin America, below you find a small sample of our protection:


http://www2.truman.edu/~marc/resources/interventions.html
 
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