TSA Goes Beyond Scope AGAIN! Please Comment & stop Them! Rule Targets Repair Stations

barnstorm2

Platinum Member
Joined
Nov 1, 2003
Messages
14,573
Location
Cincinnati, Ohio
Aircraft
2-place Air Command CLT SxS (project), & Twinstarr Autogyro
Total Flight Time
750+hrs and climbing
TSA Goes Beyond Scope AGAIN! Please Comment & stop Them! Rule Targets Repair Stations

TSA Rule Targets Repair Stations

http://www.avweb.com/avwebbiz/news/TSA_Rule_Targets_Repair_Stations_201548-1.html

The Transportation Security Administration has prepared new regulations governing security procedures at repair stations. The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) (PDF) will require repair stations to establish security protocols to guard against unauthorized access to the facility, aircraft and parts. The new rules would affect 4,227 FAA-certificated shops in the U.S. and 694 in other countries that work on U.S. aircraft. There will be a 60-day comment period on the rule.



In announcing the proposed NPRM, TSA Office of Security Operations Assistant Administrator Lee Kair said the rule will augment existing FAA security rules in place at certificated repair stations. "By enhancing repair station security, this rulemaking guards against the potential threat of an aircraft being destroyed or used as a weapon," he said. The rule, if adopted, will require strict access control and implementation of security awareness training programs and, of course, allow for TSA inspections and audits.


---------
Note from me:

See that black tape like line across the TSA Badge?? That signifies all of the rights and freedoms they have killed and are killing!

TSAbadge.jpg
 
Those stupid Sum%66$79#@'s have already made us install card activated turnstiles at every entrance, it is so freaking secure that since the "security company" took over
numerous car stereos and GPS's have turned up missing from the cars in the parking lot. And you cannot get into the parking lot unless you have an ID badge and a window sticker.....or drug buddies with the guard.....ATL police were there yesterday at lunch apparently another theft.
Plus our small shops have snacks and drinks that you pay for with the honor system, and since the TSA and contracted security, they cash boxes have been repeatedly robbed. (security has keys to all the shops)
I have worked there for 18 years and NEVER was our cash box robbed.
I feel I have to lock up all my tools at my bench now, THANKS TSA!!
 
Last edited:
TSA = Total Socialist Annihilation


Where do we protest this commy BS?
 
Are we sure TSA has any limits ????????????

Tony
 
Scott, I previously posted about TSA bustin my stones about not having my badge around my neck. Since then, as they orbit the perimeter of our field, they have included a detour onto our ramp, making a u-turn at the mouth of our hangar, dwelling for several moments to peer inside. The other day I conviently bent over to tie my shoe, my back to them with my pants at half mast.:censored:
 
Whither TSA?

Whither TSA?

Like any bureaucracy, goal #1 is to justify its own existence, and goal #2 is to grow and increase its sphere of influence. The idea that they may not be needed/welcome in any environment is intolerable, and urging that idea will always be seen as a threat requiring even greater intervention.

Quickly now, everybody who feels much safer because of DHS -TSA policies, raise your hand. Now, let me guess how many hands went up . . .
 
Wasp, I raised my hand. I do feel more secure after the creation of the new TSA but agree they are operating beyond our needs and finances. Paul brings a good idea to contact our Congressmen to express our concerns and demand sanity. TSA needs to be for our safety but needs to be kept in check.

I have a good friend that happens to be a fire chief for a small military village who after 911 showed his skills as a grant writer. In the past 6 years he has a new 6 bay station, 8 new fire engines, 4 response 4x4 Dodge trucks and 2 kitchens in the fire house which are better setup than most 5 star restaurants. The sad part is his department is comprised of 5 personnel who staff on 24 on with a couple days off and average 1 fire every 3 years. They do some emergency response for highway emergencies but don’t have an ambulance yet, last I heard he has applied for grants for them.

My point is when Government is involved it is up to us to guide and implore our leaders and representatives to stay in plan within our budget and needs
 
I want some input form you guys. Especially the ones in the repair business.

I propose sending this to my congressmen:

While I feel security of our aviation industry is of extremely high importance, I think the TSA is over stepping it boundaries by trying to force new stricter security regulations onto repair stations. What is being proposed is a hostile take over by TSA. TSA is basically asking to have the right to do anything they want to in the name of security. So far this seems to be working.

Repair stations should be monitored and regulated by the FAA based on the quality of work performed by each station. Repair stations are responsible for keeping our aircraft’s airworthy. Airworthy aircraft keep out people safe. We have good honest working Americans working in our domestic aircraft repair stations. These people have had extensive training, and are certified and regulated by the FAA to insure that they are capable of maintaining our aircraft’s to the highest standards. TSA forcing more and more security regulations onto these people will increasingly make their jobs as aircraft mechanics much harder as they spend more and more time plowing through the red tape and less time performing their jobs as aircraft mechanics.

If any new regulations need to be imposed on aircraft repair stations, Congress need to look into overseas aircraft repairs and rebuilds being performed by unqualified workers. That is a threat to this nation’s airlines and people.
 
Grant, Doesn't the FAA already regulate and 'monitor' the work at repair stations?
 
Tim,

Yes they do.

I was just stating it should be the main focus of regualtion not TSA.

Should have reworded it like this:

Repair stations are and should continue to be monitored and regulated by the FAA based on the quality of work performed by each station.
 
With that change I think it is great.

.
 
Yes the FAA does monitor the work, as well as any customer of that facility can perform an audit. Problem is that the TSA wants to get involved and search your lunchbox, tool box, and go through a metal dectector everytime you go to work.
We have all ready had background checks and have been fingerprinted and in the FBI database.
But how many background checks do you think they do on the airport service employees? You know, the ones that clean, and put the food on the aircraft. temps etc.
 
Good point Scott.

I will add in the the part about you guys already having passed background checks and the FBI database.
 
They are trying to create a solution to a problem that does not exist. Just to justify thier own jobs.
 
I never had a problem with theft from my luggage until TSA took over, and I've had lots of things disappear since our great "protectors" starting rummaging through my possessions at the airport. Makes you really respect their integrity, and trust them to keep us safe, doesn't it? I even had seven aviation organization stickers (EAA, AOPA, etc., that I'd put on all sides to help spot my bag and that had been undisturbed for hundreds of trips) peeled neatly and completely off the outside of my suitcase when I got it back at baggage claim recently -- what are we paying these people for? Now I get to walk in my stocking feet with my toothpaste in a little baggie to be scowled at by TSA, and sometimes get singled out for a grope/pat-down session, while cargo comes into the country un-inspected.

And the instructor regulations are just plain silly. The initial security training I went through for them indicated that I should report anybody who had signs of landing on a grass strip on their aircraft. Nobody has ever explained to me how a sod runway contributes to terrorism. I think they got confused with DEA concerns about where drug smugglers might land -- but drug enforcement is not an instructor's responsibility. I'm also baffled that we trust citizens for pilot training but not foreign nationals, and have to go through all sorts of record keeping related to that distinction. Oklahoma City was bombed by a U.S. citizen / army veteran as I recall. Precious little of it is rational. It's just activity to show that they're doing something.

Personally, I don't equate annoyance and inconvenience with safety.
 
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.---- Benjamin Franklin

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have..’~Thomas Jefferson”


Little by little the government is growing into our lives like a cancer and taking away little by little, in the name of security..wake up people.
 
scottessex;330293}nd NEVER was our cash box robbed. I feel I have to lock up all my tools at my bench now said:
That stuff is typical. When I was reporting I covered literally dozens of cases of TSA "screeners" and managers stealing from checked bags. Sometimes it was ad hoc, more often it was organized rings. They seem to consider it an informal perq of the job.

If the local PD caught them, they could prosecute, but the TSA will not cooperate in the prosecutions (for "security" reasons). Likewise, if TSA caught one of their own stealing -- which happens all they time -- they'd simply fire the guy and broom the charges under the rug. Their PR clown told me that it was because a trial "would expose vital security secrets."

They would even give these thieves good references for unsuspecting future employers.

So bear in mind, if someone from the TSA is around, lock up your stuff. If someone applies for a job and has TSA "experience," odds are even-steven he's a thief (and odds are almost 100% he's a lazy bum).
 
...I think the TSA is over stepping it boundaries by trying to force new stricter security regulations onto repair stations...

Guys, you're not getting this. TSA is doing this not on its own, but under a mandate from Congress. Blaming TSA is misplaced. Ask your congressman to remove the mandate.
 
Top