Magni M24 Orion in flight

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Hi friends !

Here some videos from the magnificent Magni M24 Orion:

at home airbase in Casaleggio di Novara (for exact position see geotag in Youtube):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJft3P0sBRg

Flying in the Italian Alps (see geotag for position)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqNC8cG93yU

A detailed test report on the Magni M24 Orion for 22 flight hours in 4 different regions in Europe will follow. So far I can shortly tell from my limited experience with different European serial gyros: the M24 sets new standards in gyroplaning in every instance.

Have fun

Angelo
 
Hello Angelo, thank you for so graet videos!!
I'm waiting for the complete report of your stay in Italy and for the big flight over the Alpes!!!
How did perform the M24?
 
Hi Fenneck !

I hope You like Your appearance in the "Magnimania"-video.

I want to thank You once again for Your kind hospitality and for giving me the intimate feeling to be a member of Your Magni Community. I am deeply impressed by both the numbers and the friendship among You Italian Magni-pilots.

For the detailed report please give me some time. Since the weather is so fine here in Austria and Hungary I spend my entire free time with my new love "M24 Orion". Now this week the 25 hr service will be done and next weekend we fly down to the south of Hungary.

My wife never flew with me until now in the open gyros but climbed in the M24 Orion, felt the perfect manufacture of the machine and the comfort in the seats and finally flew with me 1hr. I chose the evening hours so we had only very little thermal activity left. In the beginning she was a little bit stressed, then she took her camera out and started shooting and finally enjoyed the flight promising that we will go together on a flying vacation this summer (and THIS IS a wonder, thanks to the M24 Orion).

Yesterday I had a nice 2,5hr flight solo with full equipment (iPod attached to the headsets, RedBull on board) in noon-time with really heavy thermal activity in the mountains. Once You have the iron-stable flight feeling in the Orion these thermals catch You mildly in surprise remembering You that You are still flying an ultralight-gyro and not a BlackHawk-helicopter.

T/O and landings are always a "non-event" and You step out totally relaxed. All in all it is pure fun and the Orion works with the precision and reliability of a Swiss-watch.

The performance was extraordinary especially in the Alps (see the video). We used the updrafts for ascending at 6m/s, motor hums between 4.900 and 5.100 at 110-120km/h IAS, pitot absolutely precise showing, rotor-rpm between 390 and 410 at MTOW 530kgs (we entered Val Canale from a tank stop in Osoppo so we flew with full tank) and never ever had an unsecure feeling at 2000 - 2500m ASL (and don´t forget: this Orion was brandnew !).

We had enough power-reserves in case we would have got into funny situations.

I can only congratulate Vittorio, Luca and Pietro Magni for the development of the M24 Orion.

I hope I will have 100hrs on the HOBBS in late autumn ´cause then I will come down to Casaleggio again for the 100hr-service and to see You.

Have fun

Angelo
 
Very nice Videos Angelo!

I am looking forward to your report.

Why do the people in the open gyroplanes fly with a helmet and the people in the Orion fly without a helmet?

Thank you, Vance
 
Hi Vance !

According to the general European regulations for ultralight airplanes You don´t need to wear a helmet in a closed cabin airplane or gyro or trike since the cabin is supposed to act as a "security cage" (which in fact with the Magni 24 Orion it is).

Have fun in the sky

Angelo
 
Hi John !

I was asking Luca Magni the eternal question in this forum: "where the hell is the exact position of the CG".

He simply started to smile and told me: " THIS will always be our secret "

The only thing I can tell You from real life: it is goddam stable in every situation and a lotta mass is concentrated around the rotor-mast mid-section, not to forget the rotor with it´s 36kgs compared to alu-rotors with 14 kgs. Brings the mass-center also up the mast.

I think it will stay a secret..............................

Angelo
 
Why can’t he just say it has a high thrust line and a huge HS to compensate.
Witch is what it looks like to me.
Even the RAF flies stable with a huge HS.
 
According to the general European regulations for ultralight airplanes You don´t need to wear a helmet in a closed cabin airplane or gyro or trike since the cabin is supposed to act as a "security cage" (which in fact with the Magni 24 Orion it is).

It shouldn't be any business of any European regulator as to what protective clothing you choose or choose not to wear!
 
It shouldn't be any business of any European regulator as to what protective clothing you choose or choose not to wear!

Well, it is. You also have to wear a helmet on a motorcycle and get fined if not.
But you can always wear more :D

Kai
 
Hi bpearson !

I didn´t say You MUST not wear a helmet in a closed cabin UL-airplane in Europe, regulations say: You NEED not.

It´s free to choose for everyone to wear a helmet in a closed cabin gyro........
 
Hi John !

I wouldn´t be so sure about HTL in Magnis...............

Static it should be doable to calculate and vectorize all the masses, how they are distributed and where the CG is. If I would know how to do it I would try, but I´m not a mathematician. Maybe it turns out it is CTL or HTL and to what extent HTL.

Now the sit is totally different dynamically with rotating rotor. Even if HTL (if really so) it´s much more difficult to PPO a 36kg-rotor spinning than a 14 kg-rotor spinning with a 100hp Rotax.

From 16 sudden power-off/motor-off emergency training on the Magni M24Orion I can tell You that the Orion IMMEDIATELY lowers her nose without any slightest nose-swing upwards.

And honestly: I´m really sick and tired about the TL-issue, for 99% of the gyroists it is of no relevance as long as we DON`T EXACTLY KNOW where the CG is, proven and 100% factual.

What I FEEL (or You FEEL) about the CG of Magnis is of no relevance. Once we KNOW we can start a serious discussion which will also be of no relevance since it wouldn´t change the slightest bit in the design of Magnigyros.

I was speaking to Vittorio Magni, now an old but brilliant man, telling him all the discussions we had on this forum. And while he is always without emotions in his face the entire day he suddenly started to laugh from the deepest of his heart and simply showed me the protos from his very first gyro 40 years ago up to now, all still flying and then he asked me: "Who in this world could teach me how to build gyroplanes ?"

Honestly: I have the funny feeling that he is fully right.............

Have fun in the skies

Angelo
 
First absolutely stunning video. A great look at one of my favorite parts of the world.
Second - absolutely STUPID choice of flight routing from what I could see (to include the large overwater portion)....where would he have gone in an engine failure ??? During several portions of the video he did not appear to have enough altitude to make the roads or streams in the valley floor. Precautionary landings do not fare well on steeply sloped terrain or large bodies of water. While this type of flying is without question fun to do,(there but for the grace of God go I) all it takes is a good hiccup from the engine or some minimal downdrafts from the ridgeline and you have a really bad day.
 
John Stahl... I have flown both RAF 2000 with a stabilizer and M16s and the pre M24 (M23). There is a huge difference. I would NEVER CHOOSE to fly a RAF 2000 even with a gigantic stabilizer over ANY Magni.

John Fonseca
 
Hi Fly Army !

Actually from our view in the cockpit there was always an emergency landing spot in reach, up in the mountains snowy but always as to bring down the gyro without damage. (The rescue of the gyro then once landed would have been a different story, transport only by a helicopter).:)

On the other hand we followd Luca Magnis advice: "trust our gyros" :)
 
It should also be free to choose in open cockpit.
Your safety should only be of your concern.


Yes, that's maybe true in a society like the US, where everybody is
covering his own doctor and hospital bills.

But in Europe, where solidarity rules, everybody
(through taxes and mandatory health insurance)
pays your hospital and doctor bills.

I am not going to accept, that my taxes and my insurance money
are spent on an idiot riding a motorbike without helmet.
(or driving a car without seat belts fastened.)

Of course, you may say, he will easier kill himself and save on hospital bills,
but then the system in Europe will pay the widow and the kids their living.
(In US, they are left for themselves.)

This way or another, dead or cripple, in Europe I will have to pay for him,
in US he will (and maybe his family or charity) will pay the bills.

Then let him kill or cripple himself for the sake of "freedom".

PS.:
I am not a socialist, I used to be a mathematician,
I just follow the logic of Nash Equilibrium.
 
Well it shouldn't be. Uneeded saftey fascism. EU will collapse soon and I won't have to put up with foreigners telling me what to do.

See my last post.
At the moment this is rather US collapsing... ;)
 
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