Heron
Platinum Member
- Joined
- Oct 30, 2003
- Messages
- 7,561
- Location
- Bauru - Sao Paulo - Brasil
- Aircraft
- Golden Butterfly
- Total Flight Time
- 7.5 h.
I should say somthing but you guys are doing great!
Carry on . . .
Heron
Carry on . . .
Heron
Jonathan, I have lost my respect for you and your big mouth. I am personally fed up with it. I am tired of your rants and so called safety advise, when you seem to run your god dam mouth endlessly at things you have no first hand experience of.
You have never been to Mentone, yet you blab off about how unsafe it is to fly there, and how the airboss crew and safety officers don't give a rats ass.... And now your blabing your mouth about how this pilot wasn't legal to fly there, how the staff should have not allowed this guy to fly, etc....
Just as Matt said, this guy had every right in the world to fly there. He was rated. The only issue was the airboss staff did not know him and wanted a reccomendation from his CFI.... I had to go through the same thing, and you would too even though you have flown " 250 safe hours " ............
The only ball that was dropped was somehow the guy did end up in the air before that CFI signed the card. I believe full and well the pilot did not intentionally try to break any rules, it would have been very easy to be confused if you could or couldn't fly had anyone been in the same circumstances as this pilot. I also do not fault the airboss crew for " allowing " him to fly without the dot. There is alot going on between the air and the ground and it is overwhelming, to expect the airboss staff to see a small dime sized colored sticker placed randomly on a gyro or the pilot himself is pretty tough.
Why don't you pony up the 50 bucks and become a member again, and put aside the time to drive there and be a part of the airboss staff to insure safety to your standards. I know you won't do it.... but if your not willing to do more than run your mouth about what others should be doing, what your saying doesn't carry much weight IMHO.
You backed yourself into a corner in this thread and it is best to just say you jumped to conclusions and you were wrong and move on. If you ever did decide to go to Mentone ( or any of the other fly-ins ) and be a part of the safety team / airboss crew, I can assure you that your help would be gladly accepted. Until then have a little more respect for the efforts of all those that are there helping and trying to do what they can to have a safe and fun fly-in.
Yes I jumped to conclusions...
What I do not understand is this pass card system. Obviously it is piss poor if it is supposed to do what it is supposed to do. If it is a "card" and safely tucked away in a wallet somewhere the airboss even with the best "psychic" powers is going to have a hard time seeing who signed what and when.
A ribbon would be a better way of doing things...... or a sticker
Like you already stated, Mentone is a private airport with lots going on and no one person can police everything every moment of the day people do what they are going to do unless you have a cop at every exit..... Jonathan
Outermarker- Looks like you get the one year PRA membership. I saw an apology, and now I have to pick someone wanting it. Since you were the first with your hand up,,you got it. Just call Jennifer at the PRA office....tell her to contact me for my credit card #.. Enjoy and hope to see you at the next convention. Stan
...If it is a "card" and safely tucked away in a wallet somewhere the airboss even with the best "psychic" powers is going to have a hard time seeing...
A search of the FAA records does not show a Steven Vanderhoff from Missouri having any type of rating.
I agree "ALL IN" I think we should vote for Stan Foster as the "PRA Man of the Year" And Carol DeGraw as "PRA Female of the year. Actually do we have such a thing?
Bingo! We've found a job for Jonathan at Mentone!
On a more serious note, I see a couple of what I believe to be misconceptions here, and would appreciate the comments of a CFI or other closer to the FAR...
(1) The holder of a student certificate who travels from his home area and flies his machine at Mentone would run afoul not only of PRA policy, but would usually also violate the limitations to specific training airports normally entered in the student's logbook by his instructor. The CFI who signs him off at Mentone will generally be expected by the FAA to have also provided instruction in operations at that airport. (If you were signed off to solo with no limitations to a specific airport or airports, your instructor rolled the dice bigtime!)
(2) If you hold any powered category certificate of Private level or higher, you can fly an experimental rotorcraft as long as you don't carry passengers. But there's no restriction on flying a two-place with the second seat empty.
(3) A public use airport can be closed for an event, but it requires formal action by management, and the publication of a NOTAM listing specific hours in advance by the FAA. Do that, and your airboss can be given complete control of the facility and airspace. I don't think PRA normally does this, but straighten me out if I'm wrong.