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It is cheap

It is cheap

talk is cheap

It is cheap, and many of us will stay in servitude as we are called to, just as we do under all the other things we are subjugated to; but we will hold you accountable, just as left met right under the national socialism of Hitler's Germany.

Until the deed is done, we can only warn you. Once done, we will come to the table with you, and claim our share without sinning against our God.

But woe to the hired man.

Americans are moving to Mexico in droves; but, until the end, the hired man will have his way, even in Mexico.

In the socialist meritocracy, expedience is enthroned, and expedience will ignore the warnings and seek to destroy that which cripples its purposes.
 
...The gov. takes your moola and gives you unemployment ins.

Yep. I pay in dollars and I get back cents after filling out forms and waiting in line.

The gov takes your moola and gives you a pension.

Social Security? Is that where I pay 6.2% of my income into a pool towards the older generation's pension and the govenment "borrowed" and spent on other things?


The gov. takes your moola and gives you medicare.

This one only cost me 2.9% of my income and for an additional premium I can:

"...Medicare drug coverage will help you by covering brand-name and generic drugs at pharmacies that are convenient for you.

Like other insurance, if you join, generally you will pay a monthly premium, which varies by plan, and a yearly deductible. You will also pay a part of the cost of your prescriptions, including a copayment or coinsurance. Costs will vary depending on which drug plan you choose. Some plans may offer more coverage and additional drugs for a higher monthly premium..."


This is all I'm going to say about this...

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@Fritz
No one is going to work as hard for All Americans as they do for themselves!
Two monkeys won't even work to feed themselves let alone all the monkeys in America.
You really think the working monkeys will love it, and that they will just keep working as hard for everyone else as for themselves?
What are you thinking?
 
No

No

All this arguing about socialism is mute, this country is going to pass health care legislation that confronts the health care issues of the nation.
Some of you bitch about the socialistic democrats taking your hard earned moola. The gov. takes your moola and gives you unemployment ins. The gov takes your moola and gives you a pension. The gov. takes your moola and gives you medicare.
Now you tell me if any of you are going to take back what the gov has taken from you.
Every one of you will, Are you socialists?

We are not socialists in that case. We'd be just as content as we'd be without having it taken from us in the first place, whether we took from it or not. It's the way obedience works.

But pensions are placed in enumerated accounts, as Social Security and Medicare should be. Pensions remain ours with the benefit of market increase.

Pensions, social security and Medicare are for the end of life. Nationalized health care is communizing all of life for the benefit of international conglomerates. Before health care, if it's truly for the people, we should have nationalized food and housing. What good is health care if we can't eat and live comfortably, if we must work so hard?

Actually, under nationalized health care, many Americans will be able to retire even earlier than before. With free health care, I can retire now and enjoy my meager rents.

With free health care I can quit my job, go on unemployment, get free college tuition and transportation, and last until my Social Security matures. Hey, maybe I can work a little disability into that . . . ow!, I'm in pain! While I'm doing this I can work under the table out of the back of my pick-up, and never pay income taxes again. Oh, I don't wanna forget the food stamps and the food banks. I'm rich!

Maybe I could give up my home and get Jimmy Carter to build me a new one.
 
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We see it as you and Fritz need to think much more deeply!

So these Indian have created the most prosperity for their people in the world? A great civilization to be admired and copied?

Has their socialism created a way of life anyone else would want to be reduced to living like that and in huts?

You're not thinking! These Indian have created nothing. You wish to copy and follow them backwards?

Socialism is fine if you want to live in poverty like those that have tried to do it!

The final solution: Those Indians did do nothing , we killed them all and the survivors housed in reservations, but we made treaties with them, of course none were respected and no chance was given to them. We acted like communists in a socialist community. Perhaps you care the read this story of our sad past.

http://ngeorgia.com/history/nghisttt.html
 
Oh, Hey!

Oh, Hey!

The final solution: Those Indians did do nothing , we killed them all and the survivors housed in reservations, but we made treaties with them, of course none were respected and no chance was given to them. We acted like communists in a socialist community. Perhaps you care the read this story of our sad past.

http://ngeorgia.com/history/nghisttt.html

Oh, Hey! Let's all kill ourselves and give it back. You go first.

Don't believe everything you read Fritz. There are two sides to every story.
 
Government vs Small business (80% of our businesses).

The small business works at being more efficient and creative. The results is trickle down economics and an increase in the velocity of money. This increases wealth. The individuals have a stake in the future. I work hard to build a better and stable future for my family. The better you are, the more you get ahead.

Government is not efficent and hinders creativity, has little trickle down because they consume the trickle down, slows the velocity and decreases wealth. The only stake is to expand their control which also takes away wealth. Government is not motivated by family.

Big business is accountable to the stock holders. You loose, except in bailouts, you loose your job. You win, you keep growing.

Government health care decreases quality. It will increase control that will slow the system and increase cost. Government with try to make up for the decrease in quality due to their actions and you decrease the quality again. National health care in every case decreases quality.

We were a country of defiant individuals that wanted only to control their own destiny which lead to growth and wealth. Now many individual feel they are owed without putting forth the effort. Why work if it is given to you?
 
The final solution: Those Indians did do nothing , we killed them all and the survivors housed in reservations, but we made treaties with them, of course none were respected and no chance was given to them. We acted like communists in a socialist community. Perhaps you care the read this story of our sad past.

http://ngeorgia.com/history/nghisttt.html
Until we have a time machine we can't fix that. Little relevants for today. However we do owe them free health care by treaty but the gov has to ration so there is only money for about 6 months. Gov cannot even manage the Indians health care. What makes you think they are going to manage all of ours any better.

Also my Cherokee ancestors told me that they took the land from the Sue who took it from weaker tribe before that. They had no concept of land ownership and knew it would be taken away by a stronger tribe one day as that was how it had always been.
 
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All this bloviating (O'reilly's term) is not going to change any thing.
We are becoming a capitalistic wellfare state (socialistc)
Get over it! Ready are not, here it comes.
 
Who is going to pay for the extra trillion dollars?
Bloviating, it seems common sense to most housewives who have to live on a budget.

I'm still not over Californians not listening to me before we drove business out of here.

I'll be fine J.
I'll adapt, it's the rest of you and some of my family that are stuck here and that will have to pay for all of this I'm worried about!

PS:
Tax the rich and feed the poor at least until there ain't no rich no more. Then what?
 
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Soooo?? YOu guys are learning after all, just don´t want do acknowledge.
Juan All In? Got tortillas?? :D
The debate spins around the goods and bads of the systems. How they could be improved and if there is a common ground that would allow us to create a better system.
The Indians did nothing. Not true, just blabber . . .
Lets Kill ourselves and give it back. Not if you shoot yourself in the brains, they are no longer there so aim for the heart I can see you have one! :D
Terry, are you saying that the Europeans (the expelled ones) did not exterminated the Natives in a calculated and methodic fashion? Also that the Church was not behind the American Holocaust?
WEll, at least someone heard my comment about the group with greater firepower would exterminate or dominate the weaker one. That is true, are in in agreement?
Do you think All In that the Great State of Texas was stolen from Mexico by accident or they already knew what was in there . .. buried in the ground?
There were up to 100 million natives here before The Other Group invaded and mostly the first contacts were amicable and lots of sharing going on.
Now they are counted by thousands.
Was that system capitalist or socialist? The invaders I mean . . .
The feudal system was better, taking the violent control out, the rich had a blast and the poor had socialism . . .they shared even the filth . . .
Maybe this is the better system up to some degree of income, you are under socialism, over that you are in democracy, do as you please (Mungo Jerry)
You are already a nazi facist system, just try to get under the secrets and see your carcass go in to the Ganges.
Ask the Kennedys! :eek:
They give me some meds for free here. Free? after they took 4 months out of my pay check?
I wonder how they pay the xaman?
Salary folks, that is why communism will fail everytime, no money enough to compete with others. Unless we go back to trading as currency.
Socialism have salaries and if the nation is doing well they are reasonable.
Everything will interbreed, even you if you think your are pure race.
The American Pig is skinny now but it will get fat again and some will have another banquet . . .the bacon will be yours truly again . . .
Unless . . .
Heron
 
Yaw Mon, I can make home made tortillas too and all the rest. My family had a Mexican delicatessen and liquor store we all worked there when we were young. IIRC I have a 1812 Remington cap and ball pistol used against the Americans. But the family that did that are all dead now on both sides for many years.

Can you name a country that wasn't taken by force several times through the ages?
As far as I can remember it is only recently that folks think they should give back. Israel is the 1st and only country I can think of. Is there another from the past?

California is still fat as we would be #6 in the world if analyzed as a separate country. But we could be so much fatter if we got rid of the socialism here which we are because only the middle class is left to pay for it and they all voted no. No more money. Bye, bye socialism, but wait now the Fed's step in and follow our failed experiment until the US is broke too. Foolish!
 
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That is great! :)
If Israel sets a trend things will be messy . . .but I think they are the only ones with enough political ($$$$) power to claim anything.
Can you imagine Brazil asking just for the gold back? Sheesh, the Fed will be broke . . .
CAlifornia is incredible, it would be ahead of Brazil if the USA was not a socialist organization and tax the rich to give to the poor . . . ;)
São Paulo would be in the top 10 if separate economy from the rest of the nation, from every 100 given only 1 comes back as Federal resources. Is this socialism?
I will bring cachaça and you make tortillas, I think they will go great with picanha strips.
Been to San Diego coming in by 8, great scenery . . .the bolders and all . . .got chased out by a storm, dragging a Subaru to get the engine out.
So . . . Tudo Dentro, uh? :D
Just kidding
Heron
 
The funny thing about it is

The funny thing about it is

Yaw Mon, I can make home made tortillas too and all the rest. My family had a Mexican delicatessen and liquor store we all worked there when we were young. IIRC I have a 1812 Remington cap and ball pistol used against the Americans. But the family that did that are all dead now on both sides for many years.

Can you name a country that wasn't taken by force several times through the ages?
As far as I can remember it is only recently that folks think they should give back. Israel is the 1st and only country I can think of. Is there another from the past?

California is still fat as we would be #6 in the world if analyzed as a separate country. But we could be so much fatter if we got rid of the socialism here which we are because only the middle class is left to pay for it and they all voted no. No more money. Bye, bye socialism, but wait now the Fed's step in and follow our failed experiment until the US is broke too. Foolish!

The funny thing about it is that from the 2001/2002 fiscal year to the 2005/2006 fiscal year, the George Bush tax cuts swelled California's tax revenues from about 240 Billion Dollars per year to over 400 Billion Dollars per year. It flattened when the Democrats took control of Congress, and fell when they gained the White House. But somehow, California is broke today.
 
Oh, Hey! Let's all kill ourselves and give it back. You go first.

Don't believe everything you read Fritz. There are two sides to every story.


What do I supposed to believe, did the Indians just evaporate and we got free land form the Mexicans? What is the other side of your story? I don’t have a gun, but you can use yours.
 
What do I supposed to believe, did the Indians just evaporate and we got free land form the Mexicans? What is the other side of your story? I don’t have a gun, but you can use yours.

It sounds like a little boy losing an argument and saying well; your great, great grand parents were bad, so that means you're bad now? So far in my lifetime all the countries we have fought and died in we have only asked for enough land to bury our dead that fought for their freedom.

What does the actions of our ancestors have to do with socialism or the reality of today, it can't be changed? What is your point and why would anyone bring up this history. You can only learn not to do that again from history as we have learned from all that have tried to out compete us with socialism have failed so we do not want to repeat their history.
Do you beleive America is still doing this and we must stop their current actions, is that why you bring it up?

Also you said "Two fundamentally different models of capitalism are operating in the business world today, one is self-destructive and increasingly corrupt. The other is emergent socialisms, flourishing, and inspirational sees company as an organic, living system whose primary means of growth are living assets (people)."

Please provide examples with co names of these new emergent flourishing socialistic businesses you say exist! They don't except for in your own mind and in some charities!

You got it backwards again Fritz. It’s capitalism that looks at business as an organic living system where the laws of nature dictate go out and hunt you get to eat, don’t work don’t eat, it survival of the fittest just like the laws of nature, socialism does not do that in any way!

Socialism goes against human nature and the laws of nature; it’s a idealistic delusion to believe that you will work just as hard for me as for yourself.

It's a delusion to beleive that a company profits goes for taxes or redistributed to the lazy and not be paid to the investors. It's world wide individual investors taking risks that create the capital that companies need to get started and grow and they only invest to make the largest profit that each individual investor can earn for themselves that makes it happen at all.

Business are not corrupt a few people are that happen to be running the Co at the time.

How much of your money would you invest in a Co that gave away all or most of the profit? Socialism is not a business it's a charity, so just donate to charities and you can accomplish the same thing problem solved and everyone will prosper and be happy.
 
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Juan (Zorro´s cousin) :D
I think Fritz was responding to comments made in other post, a little of subject, kinda side talking in the class room if I may.
Socialism will not compete with capitalism, it will loose everytime, the reason is that one I pointed out: money!
After a while, the proud founder of a factory, will be replaced by his grandkids that only care about money and not the product, they will lust for money and more every time.
That is when the pepino curls against the initial good will of the system.
Now, the socialists like the govt come and tax 50% out or the inheritance to give it to the poor (yeah right) taking a good portion for other random and often personal projects.
Salary caps is what keeps the bubble from bursting in certain organizations, more prone to be socialistic.
Gotta let go on the cliches and take it for what is worth, both systems.
Heron
 
It sounds like a little boy losing an argument and saying well; your great, great grand parents were bad, so that means you're bad now? So far in my lifetime all the countries we have fought and died in we have only asked for enough land to bury our dead that fought for their freedom.

What does the actions of our ancestors have to do with socialism or the reality of today, it can't be changed? What is your point and why would anyone bring up this history. You can only learn not to do that again from history as we have learned from all that have tried to out compete us with socialism have failed so we do not want to repeat their history.
Do you beleive America is still doing this and we must stop their current actions, is that why you bring it up?

Also you said "Two fundamentally different models of capitalism are operating in the business world today, one is self-destructive and increasingly corrupt. The other is emergent socialisms, flourishing, and inspirational sees company as an organic, living system whose primary means of growth are living assets (people)."

Please provide examples with co names of these new emergent flourishing socialistic businesses you say exist! They don't except for in your own mind and in some charities!

You got it backwards again Fritz. It’s capitalism that looks at business as an organic living system where the laws of nature dictate go out and hunt you get to eat, don’t work don’t eat, it survival of the fittest just like the laws of nature, socialism does not do that in any way!

Socialism goes against human nature and the laws of nature; it’s a idealistic delusion to believe that you will work just as hard for me as for yourself.

It's a delusion to beleive that a company profits goes for taxes or redistributed to the lazy and not be paid to the investors. It's world wide individual investors taking risks that create the capital that companies need to get started and grow and they only invest to make the largest profit that each individual investor can earn for themselves that makes it happen at all.

Business are not corrupt a few people are that happen to be running the Co at the time.

How much of your money would you invest in a Co that gave away all or most of the profit? Socialism is not a business it's a charity, so just donate to charities and you can accomplish the same thing problem solved and everyone will prosper and be happy.


Wish I could remember who said this, but I can't say it any better: "There have always been men of arrested development who, dreading reality, found psychological protection in the art of incapacitating the actions and minds of others." In reference to the Indians, we nearly did exterminate them but, have we learned anything for our great grandparents? No. Since is nothing (for the moment) left to demise, we venture now abroad and do just the same. The little boy will take refuge in the past. Parliamentary politics as the system for which our ancestors lost so much blood and yes, must be changed, as it is the working class that guarantees the preservation of democratic rights, to employment, a living wage, decent housing, education, health-care, and social protection depends on the creation of a new social order, a socialist society run on the basis of workers’ democracy and not in a crisis-ridden, increasingly militarized capitalist system that poses the threat of authoritarian state repression. We are in a social crisis and the prospect of environmental catastrophe show that capitalism can no longer take society forward, technology and production develop in a completely distorted way because of the domination of the profit motive and the anarchy of market competition. This is why American democracy has become a hollow shell, corrupted by big capitalist money and ruthlessly manipulated by the big-business and the dictatorship of the so-called ‘free market’ dominated by giant banks and transnational corporations. Already did provide examples with Co. names.
 
Juan (Zorro´s cousin) :D
I think Fritz was responding to comments made in other post, a little of subject, kinda side talking in the class room if I may.
Socialism will not compete with capitalism, it will loose everytime, the reason is that one I pointed out: money!
After a while, the proud founder of a factory, will be replaced by his grandkids that only care about money and not the product, they will lust for money and more every time.
That is when the pepino curls against the initial good will of the system.
Now, the socialists like the govt come and tax 50% out or the inheritance to give it to the poor (yeah right) taking a good portion for other random and often personal projects.
Salary caps is what keeps the bubble from bursting in certain organizations, more prone to be socialistic.
Gotta let go on the cliches and take it for what is worth, both systems.
Heron


Socialism will not compete with capitalism, it will loose everytime, the reason is that one I pointed out: money!
The danger not socialism; it is a capitalism that is malfunctioning and cannot compete. Many in big industry recognize this. The question is : how do we compete against countries whose overhead for manufactured goods is markedly less than ours because their health care expenses eat less of the pie? Come to think, 60% of Americans are overweight. Eat more Tortillas!
 
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