All New ScrewDriver II!

[scottessex]

Well Now that John let the cat out of the bag, I picked up his engine today, So I am going to post pictures instead of actually doing anything.
Here ya go boy!

Sorry I didn't get a picture of the forklift driver, but he was a white kid with baggy pants and his hat on backwards, and an ear ring, so you don't really need to see any more of that.:eek:

It was packed up all real nice , just like Christmas........Without the bills!:D

I used the hoist to yank it out of the box, and everything looks real good!:D

[ultracruiser41]

That sure is purrdy! John, ya make me sick.....I want a new motor! Can't wait to see the ScrewDriver ll at Scott's in July !!!



Barry (jealous) K

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Thankyou so much Scott. WOW it is PURRDY! That aint no VeeDubb now is it?:D :eek:

The starter is comming off and replaced with a pull start. The gearbox will be flipped to mount on the UltraWhite II when it get's here.

Ok Ernie, I got the engine! Where's the rest of it?:D

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[GyroRon]

Is it a new engine? Looks used

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Yeah Ron. Brand New 618 from Lockwood!:rolleyes:

Of course it's used. Freshly rebuilt with all new crank, pistons, the works.

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[GyroRon]

Just curious.... The Yellow hot rod ignition wires give it away.

Who rebuilt it? I ask this with all seriousness because MOST rebuilds on these engines are nothing more than a teardown, new rings, maybe new pistons and reassemble. The crankshaft replacement is probably the most important part of a rebuild on these engines that is overlooked or lied about when the engine is sold.

[GyroRon]

Does Scott have the tool to pull the gear off the crankshaft? I think if I remember from doing my gearbox mods, you got to pull the gear off to take the gearbox off or flip it etc...

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The seller is an A&P, who did the rebuild himself.

Keep in mind Ron.....who has the engine now. If there are any problems, I'm guessing Scott will not only sniff it out, but have a solution as well.

I bought the engine fully aware that it may need to be overhauled.

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[GyroRon]

Yeah Scott is a good guy with a wrench and I am sure your in good hands. The problem with what may or may not be a problem is it requires a teardown to find the problem... or wait for the engine to quit one day. Or you just trust that the last guy knew what he was doing. I don't have too much fear for you like I did with the hotrod vw you were putting in the LW... I hope it works out for ya. Just scared me a little to see those wires. In the 10+ years I have been around Rotax engines, I have yet to see another engine modified like this. When something unusual stands out on a engine it makes me stop and question everything else about it. Seeing some of the " rebuilds " a local close to here does - he is not a Rotax mechanic, just a self taught motorcycle mechanic - I have come to my own conclusion that I would prefer a high time never been cracked open Rotax over most so called rebuilds, unless the rebuild comes with good documentation of the proper parts and services done. Maybe you got all that, so I will shut up about it now.

Going to let Scott pimp it out for you before installing it on your gyro? Orange pain on the head? Chrome muffler???

[scottessex]

I am going to give it a thourough check out, probably even hook it up to the test stand and run it. From the visual inpection, It is very clean on the inside and has not been run, fresh hone on the cylinders, visualy it looks like a fresh overhaul.

Funny you mentioned the orange paint, I told john he could have an orange head 618!

[automan1223]

Those yellow wires, are they carbon or solid core. ?

Rons is right if those wires are not meant for a rotax there may be problems down the road.

super cool though. engine needs some paint and graphics !

Jonathan ;)

[Phil_Ruffin]

Scott, I can't place it but I think something is missing on that engine. Look at mine and compare John's to it.
It's something on the carb side.

[scottessex]

The little oil bottle for the rotary valve?
Don't worry guys, It will be checked out real well, wires, and all.

[Phil_Ruffin]

That's It!

[jdalexa]

John,

I thought you were getting a 618 with an "E" box? What happened to that deal?

Heh... pull starting a 618 with a 60" prop will get old very very quickly. You might consider coughing up for the RK-400 clutch on that C-box.

[jdalexa]

Does Scott have the tool to pull the gear off the crankshaft? I think if I remember from doing my gearbox mods, you got to pull the gear off to take the gearbox off or flip it etc...

You only have to remove the big gear if you are pulling the propshaft or changing gear ratios. To flip the gearbox takes no special tools other than the proper allen wrenches.

Pulling that big gear is a drag though. Need the puller, a hot torch, a fixture, and a big ol' cheater bar.

[scottessex]

Shhhh! don't tell about the 618 with the E box, shhhhhhh.;)

John and I and Phil, are going to buy up all the rotax 618's and have our own Confederate Rotax Air Force!

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Scott bought the one with the "E" box, I bought the one with the "C" Box, and Phil has one on Kermit.

So like Scott said....We got three 618's under one roof.:D

I'm still so excited I could pee.

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[ben]

the boys of 618th sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[Dean_Dolph]

.....I'm still so excited I could pee.

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[GyroRon]

Maybe I had to pull the gear off the crank to install my Clutch...

The Clutch does make starting somewhat easier in the prop isn't turning, but without the prop turning there is little flywheel effect and the pull seems just as hard or maybe harder on my 582.

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[MikeBoyette]

John,
I Talked to dad today your machine is going through final assembly today. Tommarrow will be prepaired and painted. You flying baby is almost as ready as your new baby. Congradulations and welcome to the Dominator family.

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Outstanding! Do I get a ring or something?

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[scottessex]

You'll get a bill!

Hey I'll need the paint code for that paint, you know for the orange head 618!

[MikeBoyette]

Scott,
I don't know but it's so bright you'll need sunglasses. I'll talk to the old man and see if he has the code when and if I talk to him. If you need it asap give him a call at around 9am that's when he starts his official work day, even though this close to BD's he and Dick usually burn the candle at both ends.

[Rick Whittridge]

Agent Orange?

[CLS447]

Cool John!........Don't pee your pants!

Can't wait to see the pics!!!!!

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Those yellow wires, are they carbon or solid core. ?

Rons is right if those wires are not meant for a rotax there may be problems down the road.

super cool though. engine needs some paint and graphics !

Jonathan ;)


The wires came with the engine and are solid core.

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I did talk with Ernie today, and he is beginning the paint work. The airframe and steel structures will be Orange. The Tail, Pod, Wheels, and shocks will be White.

I didn't get the paint code code Scott, but Ernie said it was the only orange they made.? You might wanna call him to get the specifics.

Also have the EIS enroute with the upgraded Altimeter and VSI, and a 70.9 inch Kiev "Hot Prop" in White!:D

I'm so excited, I have to sit down to pee!

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[scottessex]

Quit Peeing! I am going to call Ernie myself and tell him to install a lightweight toilet seat up front!

[MikeBoyette]

Scott,
I was going to tell him to go see a doctor and get that fixed. I sure as heck don't want him flying over me.Who knows what that will make him want to do.

[automan1223]

Would someone please find John a potty?!!

or an adult undergarment !

ha ah ahahhahh

Jonathan

[ben]

dont eat the yellow snow hahahahaha

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Guys....I don't have a urine problem, however I am very excited.

Let me make it clear. When I first got into gyros, I didn't like the Dominator because of the way it looked. It has a tail tail, long gear, and the seat is as high as a shoe shine chair.

Not only did I not like them because of the apperance, but also because everybody has one. Hell, Bensen Days should be called "Dominator days."

Ron Awad, at SX days, gave me the opportunity to fly his Dominator. He then gave me another opportunity at ROC 2004. I flew John Palmers 2 place Dominator at ROC 2005. I knew I had to have one, but I wanted a 2 place.

John Palmers 2 place didn't fly like any 2 place I had ever flown before. It felt like a fat Single rather than a 2 place. I was hooked, but I was in the middle of a Littlewing Project that I was comming in short on, and just didn't have the time to complete with the new baby and all.

As you know, the LittleWing sold very quickly and has allowed me the opportunity to obtain one of the best flying gyroplanes on the market IMHO. Talk about "Bang for the Buck," I couldn't be more pleased.

But....How can I do a 2 place Dominator differant than most with my limited funds?

A: 2 place UltraWhite with a 618. Normaly, an UltraWhite will come in Nude aluminum with a white tail (trimed in black), all steel structures in black, and a small white pod.

My UltraWhite will come painted as a normal UltraWhite with the exception that the normaly Nude aluminum, will be Orange.

Of Course, I'm still so excited, I could pee.

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[greg spicola]

Went down to Ernie's and took a few pictures of new screw.:cool:

[scottessex]

Cool, Looks good, Thanks Greg, (our roving field agent)!

Ol' Screw won't be able to contain himself now!

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Sorry, I would have replied earlier, but I had to change my pants:D I peed.:p Yeap, Looks real good. Do my eyes decieve me or is that an orange and black seat cover?

Gonna have to do the checkard board now. Chris Wilson! Crank up the vinyl machine.

Thanks a bunch Greg. Keep spying for us and posting pics.

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[animal]

Went down to Ernie's and took a few pictures of new screw.:cool:
wow! thats going to be nice.

[Timchick]

I can picture John flying that wearing an orange flight suit.

[ultracruiser41]

Damn,

Now I want one!

Loooooooks Gooooooooood!!!!!!!!!

(Hey Scotty, Got my Dominator parts today...they look great! Thanks for all your help!)

Barry (jealous) K

[bartc150]

Needs an 01 on the sides and Ron's air horns.

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I thought about that. The "Gyro Lee"

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[ben]

i likeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee it

[automan1223]

We used to have a full size jeep commando here color, popsicle orange. We nicknamed the truck

"Orange Julius"

I believe it is a drink.

Jonathan

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Ha! Ha! Got a few more pics of the current progress. I noticed the control systems are installed, tail is mounted, front seat is on, and wheels are attached. He he hehehehehehe:D

Sorry got to go pottie:eek:

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Got the paperwork from the FAA today. I have "N" numbers reserved. So, tonight I completed the paperwork and will send in tomarrow via UPS signature required.

She will be registered as N618SD.;)

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[scottessex]

WhooHooo!!!!!!!!!

[StanFoster]

John: Looking nice...very nice. It neat seeing gyros hatching out...:D


Stan

[Phil_Ruffin]

Just to one up Scott's post. WhooWhooHoooHooo!!!! :D

[scottessex]

WhooopieDeeeDooooo!!! Vrooom! Whapuh!

All the engine parts have been ordered and will be here next week!!

[Phil_Ruffin]

Good Grief Scott, can't top that, that was good! You Win! :rolleyes:

See ya Saturday

[Timchick]

Youth wins out. Phil was out of breath. Looking good, John.

[GyroRon]

If you can't top it, go topless.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/livenewsboobies.html

Just for you John! :)

[greg spicola]

Went down to Ernie's today and got a few shots of the Screw U 2.
looks goooooood!
Greg:cool:

[scottessex]

BOY HOWDY!

And all the engine parts just arrived! and the UPS driver even gave the dog a biscuit! Life is GOOD!

[scottessex]

Screw U 2 I Love it!

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OMG ILMAO. Screw U 2? Jesus... Thanks Greg for the pics. You are definately Aces in my book!;)

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[Timchick]

I don't care much for Bono either.

[CLS447]

Wow , what a nice simple & light airframe !

How different is that from the regular tandem ?

John, that was way too easy ! Are you going to pick it up at BD's ? How about the blades ?

Now get that engine on there & keep us posted on the progress. What prop are you gonna run ?

[ultracruiser41]

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!

[scottessex]

Chris, I am in the process of massaging the 618 engine into shape, John is going to be running a Kiev prop around 71 inches.

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Thanks all.....Blades will be 26 or 27s depending on AUW. Like Scott said, the prop will be a Kiev in White.:D

Barry (What are you "Holly Crapping" about?) K

Here are a few more shots.

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[ultracruiser41]

Holy Crapping about how I WANT ONE! Darn BEA-U-TI-FUL !!!!!!!!!


Barry (full of crap) K

[CLS447]

I think we all deserve 2 place machines !!!!

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Barry, you got a Dominator Single in blue if I remember right. Hopefully, you and Ron and take rides at SX Days.

I agree Chris.

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[GyroRon]

Holy Crap is right! Here you go John, just thinking of you when I saw this....

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/horsepoop.html

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Thanks Ron. How is your Sister anyway?:D

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[Doug Riley]

Yes, everyone deserves a 2-place. Those who are really good deserve a tandem Dominator with a Rotax 912S and all the trimmings.

For $29,000 I can help you get what you really deserve.

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Hey Doug, This aint the "For Sale" Thread you "Hijacker!":D ;) :eek:

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[Doug Riley]

Can't blame a Yankee pedlar for trying.

Dang, that electric orange paint job made me reach for the Ray-Bans.

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Kiev prop should be in week after next. Did I mention the prop will be white?

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[GyroRon]

John, will you be using sharpened rotorblades on this one? Where is the PIO lever going to be installed?

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John, will you be using sharpened rotorblades on this one? Where is the PIO lever going to be installed?

I got to get with Scott on both issues, but thanks for bringing it up. We are trying to save weight, but....You know.... Safety first.:D

Also considering changine out the oil injection pump for one that is specificaly rated for Amsoil. Need all the edges I can get.;)

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[Rick Whittridge]

John, Put a pump on that will take BLUE Marble OIL.

[KenSandyEggo]

"For $29,000 I can help you get what you really deserve."

For $29,000, I can buy an old "mill house" in Gastonia.;)

[ben]

john,
i aint been around in a while been in the hospital.

damn your new machine looks swwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeettttttttttt and your right everyone should have a 2 place.

[scottessex]

Are you OK Ben? I hope everything is allright.

[Timchick]

Ben, Hope you're OK. Sorry to hear you've been in the hospital. Hope you get better soon and get you're gyro finished and flying.

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Well Ben, lets have it? Was it a boy or a girl?:D Just kidding. Really, Whats going on?

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[ultracruiser41]

John,

What made you choose the Kiev prop? Looking for a prop for the Dominator and I was just going to go with warp-drive. What's your opinion??


Barry (propless) K

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John,

What made you choose the Kiev prop? Looking for a prop for the Dominator and I was just going to go with warp-drive. What's your opinion??


Barry (propless) K

Hey Barry,

Dollar for dollar, the Warp is the best bang for the buck and they are almost indestructable. Rotax definately does not have any problem spinning the prop iether.

In an attempt to keep the wieght down, I wanted a lightwieght prop, so the Warp was out. Now it became a toss up between Powerfin and Kiev. I really don't have an opinion because I haven't flown iether, but Kiev is what I went with. Experimental! Aint it great! Greg Spicola turn me on to them. I'll blame him if it doesn't work out.

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[ben]

thanks for yall the kind words,

yes i think all will be fine, for a while anyway.
i haven't been feeling well for a while and been having chest pains on and off at the gym and at home for awhile. so 3/20 i went in had a battery of test done and this is what they found. one of the quaddruple bybass vains i had 3 years had closed to 90% when it healed. they went in 2x the second time they got it open up enough and got a stent in it, damn sure glad didn't have to open my chest up again to get at it. hope to start back to work on my gyro and to get tim chick the rudder he's needs out soon.

check out the wire that holds my chest together :eek:

[C. Beaty]

That looks like plain old stainless steel safety wire holding you together, Ben. For the prices they charge, you should get platinum wire.

Glad you’re feeling better.

[TomCarlisle]

I got mine from the US Air Force at Lackland AFB, It cost me $55 for an 11 day stay. I had to pay them for the hospital food because I got a food allowance in my paycheck.

[ultracruiser41]

John,

I have a powerfin on the aerolite103 and I love it. Light weight and nive finish. I don't know if it's as tough as the warpdrive on my Bee though.

Tell you what, you test out the prop and then I'll decide which one for my Dominator!!!

BarryK

[Doug Riley]

Ben, I was looking forward to seeing you at B-Days. Sorry for health problem. We missed ya. Get better soon.

Your X-ray, or whatever it is, looks like the view of a river from the air.

[ben]

doug i missed being there!!!!

but i hope to get back in the gym soon has a can so i can come up your way to get a couple of hours with ya in a open machine.

ps guess it kinda does look like a river lol lol lol

[gyromike]

Ben,

Sorry you couldn't make it to B-Days paisan.
Hope you get well soon.

[ben]

mikie thanks,
hope to see ya at roc

[scottessex]

OK OK Now that everyone is done comparing X-rays and trying to sell gyros on this thread, I thought I'd take it back to the machine.:D

OK, since I had the engine apart to inspect it I thought it needed a little color, so Here we have the ORANGE HEAD 618!

Nice huh? And here is my secret stash of engines, and Stuart Campbells 503 in for a good look over.:D

[Doug Riley]

OK, smokemeister, here's a tip:

Watch out for welding mounting brackets onto 618 mufflers. For some reason, the 618 muff is not like the regular Rotax muffler (which is a single-wall, thick can). The 618 has a thin outer wall that encases a thicker inner wall. If you manage to weld something to it without it just burning away, that thin metal is prone to oil-canning and cracking. Mine oil-canned right off. I then had some 1" x 14 ga. stainless bands made up to form wrap-around clamps. That worked better, except for needing to wait 5 months for a new muffler from Austria.

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That is truely an "Orange Head." ILMAO. That's great Scott, I love it.

Thanks Doug, we are going to use the bands....No welding to the Muff.

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[scottessex]

Thanks Doug, and I am aware of the thin skin thing, that muffler already had the brackets on it and we are going to cut them off.

Maybe you can call it the "citrus head".

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Well, it's official....I got the registration papers today, she is registered as N618SD. :D

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[animal]

Congrats,have you got the gyro home yet? or is it still being built?

[Timchick]

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Well, it's official....I got the registration papers today, she is registered as N618SD. :D

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Hope you don't change your mind and put a 912 on it.

[scottessex]

John would put a VW on it first!

[ben]

john i will be in ga. next week my god daughter getting married hope to see you and scott and the boys

[scottessex]

Give us a call, I am about 1 1/2 hours from Conyers, my Son drives there everyday for work.

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Animal, I hope to pick it up he weekend of the 22-23rd.

Tim, your a #$%^&* :D :eek: :D :eek:

Scott, I'd fly another VW, but your the one that got the Rotax Certificate.

Ben, I live in Loganville. Not far from Conyers, but I UPS all Day every day Monday through Saturday. I'm having to take the 22nd off to go see Ernie.

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[scottessex]

OK, John will be here tomorrow with the dominator, just so happens the engine is ready! The ONLY orange head 618!:eek:

Still need to order a few parts plus whatever we need to hook everything up, radiator hoses etc. Still have carb needles on back order, but hopefully ol' John will be back up tearing up the sky by summertime!:D

[animal]

thats going to be a sweet looking machine for sure. From the pics we have seen so far it is really going to stand apart from the other Dom's.
If it flys as good as it is looking,I beleive John is going to have a machne he can enjoy for many years.

[CLS447]

nice work Scott !! It's gonna be a pull start ,Huh ?

Do you have the prop yet?

Any feedback on the little wing completion ?

[scottessex]

Chris, yes it is going to be pull start, saves weight! The prop is a keiv it has not arrived yet.

[Phil_Ruffin]

Scott, Looking good Dude!
Please find John before he sees this and give him a Pamper or a Depends to put on. You know he's gonna Pee! :D

[scottessex]

Too late, He saw it last night when He picked up his trailer, He could barely contain himself!

[WindRyder06]

Sh*t Scott....That thing is BeAutiFUL!!! I am glad John has Deep Pockets:D

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Well, the Eagle has landed for sure. Scott has the pics. To make a short story long.........

My wife Barbi and I decided to take the opportunity to spend some time with each other and our new son Pacer. The three of us left Friday afternoon at 1600 hrs with an ETA to Scott's (SX Ultralight Aviation......The home of Bling Bling for Your Flying Thing) of 1800. Mary, Scott's wife, beat us there. Both Scott and Mary met Pacer for the first time.:D

After hooking up the trailer and a brief visit, we departed Scott's for south Ga. Barbi and I determined we could stay for free at her brothers place and call it an official visit. We arrived at 2230 at her brother place in Whigham, Ga. (Between Cairo and Bainbridge). We visited, drank, and watched her brother latest "Ghost Hunting video." I'm still not convinced, but the entertainment was priceless. What can you do about family.:o

Sticking to a strick schedule, we departed her brothers place Saturday, at 0900 hours for Ocala Fl. Barbie's father passed away about the time she was about to give birth to Brock. She never went to the funeral or has seen her father's grave. She made a flower arraingement and we were were at his grave at 1330 hours. After visitation, lunch, and a short rest break we were Tampa bound.

On the way of Course, we got to see the 13 foot Alligator, X Mart, and Russell Stover's factory warehouse on the way.

We were at Ernies by 1738. Ernie and Connie were very kind and helpful. I had never met Connie, but it didn't take long to realize we were in very good company. Ernie showed me everything and helped me load up for the long trip home. After a brief visit we were on the road again at 1833 hrs. We drove straight to Scott's and made it by 0330 hours Sunday Am.

Scott and I began looking over and unloading at 0700. Barbi, Pacer, and I spent the whole day with Scott and Mary, and had a blast. Very nice road trip and Barbi and I got to spend some good quality time together. We have been kinda missing on each other with work, kids, and all.

Scott has the pics, and there will be more to come.

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[ultracruiser41]

John,

You lucky dog...beautiful wife, great kids...good friends...new toy!!!!!!

Man, if I liked people a little more....I'd have it made too!!!!!!


Barry (crabby ass) K

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The trip wasn't without a little road rash. I noticed early on that the upper landing gear support was slidding up the mast and taking paint with it. There really wasn't anything I could do since I didn't have any wrenches, and I had nothing to support the wieght of the gyro.

By the time we got to Scott's, the support traveled about three inches up the mast and yes, it stripped the paint right off. Scott and I re-adjusted the support, and clamped it down good. Scott believes he can fix it right up. After seeing my engine, I believe him.

Of course, all of us spent time getting in and out making engine noises.

The best news of all......We weighed it. Without blades and as pictured previously, she weighed in at 172lbs.

I figure 50-55 lbs for blades will leave me 148lbs of engine, instruments, prop installation to keep her at 375.

And yes.....I got the 27 footers.:D

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[scottessex]

Here are some pics, I have been having trouble with the computer and haven't been able to post much.

I have a few more but I have to reduce them still.:rolleyes:

[GyroRon]

Looks like a lot more stuff still needs to go on the gyro to make it finished. Curious what it will weight when done. Mine weights 400 pounds minus fuel, I could lighten it up by probably 25-30 pounds by ditching the pod and going to the lighter wheelbarrow wheels. Either way what yours weights now is very impressive for a two place machine!

[scottessex]

Still needs alot of work, it won't be ready to fly next week or anything.

[Steve McGowan]

I really don't like you John.. Your almost as bad as The WAD man..

Now IF I get to ride in your new toy.. I could change my mind.

[barnstorm2]

Looks great! The frame color is very cool.

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Thanks Scott for posting the pics and all you and Mary did for Barbi and I this weekend.

Ron, There isn't much to add. All controlls and cables are hooked up. We are literally lacking Engine, Throttle cables, Rave Valve Cable, 1/2 Prerotator and lines, Prop, Instruments. She weighs in right now at 172lbs. 50-55lbs for blades will leave us with 148lbs to do all of the above and keep her at 375lbs.

Steve, you like me fine, and you know you don't have to beg....If anything, I should beg you to fly it.

Thanks Tim!

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[Timchick]

John,
There was another orange Dominator down at Bensen Days. I think his frame was black though.

[GyroRon]

Did you add fins to the engines cylinders or is it still water cooled? If it is then add some more pounds for the radiator and hoses and a gallon or three of coolant.

I think the blades will weight more than that too, not by much but certainly closer to the 55 pounds than the 50.

Anyway we will see.... my guess is a even 400 pounds, to a max of 425.

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I did see some pics of that Orange Dom at Bensen days. Don't know much about it or the man Tim.

Ron, You may be right. We will see. Hey did you ever get the "Curb Feelers" for your gyro?:D Alittle more "Bling Bling" never hurts.

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[scottessex]

Gee that engine looks small on that frame! The prop was kind of close, so I flipped the engine mounts and got more clearance. Still a long way to go, mounting 618 muffler won't be fun! :D

[ultracruiser41]

John/Scott,

SSSSWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTT!



Barry (jealous) K

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Looks great Scott! The engine's not small......Just light wieght remember? Ernie said you might have to flip the mounts around to fit a prop larger than 70 inches. Looks real good.

Speaking of props, I'm still waiting on the Keiv, it's been about 8 weeks now.

Here is a shot of Ernie's N618DW. This is what the engine will look like with all the trimmings. Not that small anymore.Here is also how he had the exhaust mounted, if it helps.

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[Phil_Ruffin]

Here is a shot of Ernie's N618DW. This is what the engine will look like with all the trimmings. Not that small anymore.Here is also how he had the exhaust mounted, if it helps.

Well John, I went over to Scott's today and lit a fire under his boodie, We decided to go ahead and finish up your gyro and take it for a test flight.

So here's a photo of your new gyro being test flown by the now famous Scott Essex. :eek:

[Phil_Ruffin]

Sorry, file was too big had to reduce it.

[GyroRon]

Phil, did Scott not install one of his smoker kits on it?

[Phil_Ruffin]

No he hasn't, but I don't think John wants one, he's watching the weight very closely.

[scottessex]

Doggone it Phil, you weren't supposed to tell John it is already flying!
Now He'll be coming down here to fly!;)

[animal]

Sorry, file was too big had to reduce it.
It looks great. so now tell us how it flew.

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That's great Phill! I laughed when Barbi saw it. She said, "Damn! That was fast!"

Yall kill me.

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[Phil_Ruffin]

Screw,
Scott and I thought you might get a kick out of it.
I got the rotors from a photo of Dan L. flying Jenna around and got the prop blur from a photo of Scott's gyro.
With a little more work cutting back on the high lights on the gyro it would almost look real. :D

[Timchick]

Phil, You da man. Good one.

[scottessex]

I know that John is dying for some more pictures, so here is a few pics of the fuel pump bracket, I hope you like it!:D

[Phil_Ruffin]

Scott, Is there enough space here to allow for the vibrations?

edit - wrong photo, see next post

[Phil_Ruffin]

Sorry try this one.

[scottessex]

Fear not, O one with the flying Kermit!:D

I have to order some different stand-offs, and then a washer or two will provide plenty of clearance.:cool:

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Very nicely done O Master. Didn't you say you had them powdercoated today? What color?

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[scottessex]

Orange.............

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Sorry, couldn't help it.

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[JRB549]

Scott, do you need a shop boy or something like that, your shop is spotless a man after my own heart.

[scottessex]

Thanks JR, I do have to make myself stop and clean up, usually when I can't find tools or parts it's time to clean up.:)

[scottessex]

The BLING must stop now! Too many projects....Arrgh!
Seriously, I powdercoated the radiator catch tank yesterday. I worked on John's throttle levers today, I was going to turn down some nylon or aluminum for throttle knobs, then I found these brand new AN hose fitting ends in my toolbox, so...........Still trying to get the brackets made for the exhaust.

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OMG! It looks like something out of "Monster Garage." You go Jessie James! I love it! I like the UPS Radiator protector, and the way your mounting the exhaust looks like it will be nicely tucked in and out of the way. Easy to pull start too.

You know, I sure am glad you got into gyros. You are definately money well spent. I love it! Thanks for going the extra mile and for all that you do Scott.

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[ultracruiser41]

somebody owes somone a steak dinner!!!!!!!

[scottessex]

I am here to help out, I am a giver, that's just the kind of guy I am.

Ya'll are too kind.

[Udi]

Beautiful work, Scott! John's a lucky guy.

[RICK MARTIN]

Wow!........

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Beautiful work, Scott! John's a lucky guy.

Although I will agree that I'm very fortunate, Scott is willing to this type of work for anyone.

Not only is he working on my ride which included tearing down and basically rebuilding my 618, but he is also making a trim adjusters, Tearing down and checking out Stuart's rotax 503, Nose wheels ect....... The list goes on and on.

I almost forgot, he has completed landing gear with shocks for Greg Specola and recently Tim O, and let's not forget the smoker kits.

SX Ultralight Aviation.....Bling Bling for your Flying Thing!:D

All you got to do is give him a call or email, and you will be impressed.

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[JRB549]

Scott, as a giver you need to be careful not to get burnt out on giving, so before that happens can you give me a few thou and I'll pay it back and as long as I owe you I'll never beat you out of it cool, cool!

[ben]

go go scottie sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

johnny shes looking great

[scottessex]

Made the RAVE lever today, had to mount it to the seat bracket/throttle mount,
John is going to have so much "bling" on this gyro, He's going to need a gold tooth!

OK, most of the pretty mounting brackets are done and installed, the exhaust should be back soon, (ceramic coat) Now I can start hooking everything up and wiring the instruments.:)

[Phil_Ruffin]

Looking good Dude,

the exhaust should be back soon, (ceramic coat)

Did you happen to send my for coating also?

[scottessex]

Did you happen to send my for coating also?

No, I wanted to see how long it would take and what it would cost, so hopefull we will know real soon.
John is the guinea pig!

[Phil_Ruffin]

Once his pig is all guineaed up, let me know cause I need to do something pretty quick to my exhaust also.

[ultracruiser41]

Damn!:(

My little old dominator is going to look just plain dumb sittin' next to John's toy!:o

Thanks alot Scotty!!:mad:

Looks good guys!:D


Barry (plain old Dominator) K

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Loooooooooooooooks Sweeeeeeeeeeet Dude! I'll have to wait until next summer on the "Gold Tooth." I first have to find a dentist who can put a "Skull" in the gold.:eek:

Phil, I don't mind being the Guinnie Pig. I know these guys. The people doing the Ceramicoat are the same people who Powder coated My origional "ScrewDriver," and Ceramicoated the exhaust. They do good work in a timely fashion and even came to my house once to get measurements for welding. Other than money, they want pictures when complete.

As far as expense....They are charging me $75.00 to Ceramicoat the exhaust in Crome and $10 or $15 buck a peace for the other stuff. I'm looking at about $125-$135 the whole thing. It will be ready for pickup Tuesday, and they want the other work Scott has.

Barry! You know SX Ultralight Aviation (Bling Bling for Your Flying Thing) is only a phone call or email away.:D You too could have a "Signature" series Dominator. Why fly a Plain one like Ron?:rolleyes:

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[scottessex]

Here, I thought you'd like the pilsbury Homeboy.:D

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ILMHO!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D

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[scottessex]

Muffler back and mounted. custom brackets, Chromey aluminum ceramic coat, holes for instruments.

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Holy Snizzle-Ma-Nizzle! That's looks great! Tell Phil about it. They only charged me $133.75 to Ceramicoat the 3 peice exhaust in Crome, and the 2 straps Ceramicoated in Black. Not bad pricing on finishing me think.

Tell you what Scott, Don't tell Phil. We'll rip his off this weekend and have them Finish it and have it back on his machine before he knows it. They will send him a bill.:D

Panel looks great too. I can't wait....I'm so excited I could pee.:D

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[scottessex]

Oh no! not the peeing again!

I got the throttle cable on too, and the carb needles came today,

so sooner or later it will get done!

[Phil_Ruffin]

Looks good Dude! That is one good looking guinea pig!
All I can say is MY TURN! :D

Scott, I'm most likely coming over Sat. morning and do some flying. Might even do a cross country to my old flying grounds.
I call ya later.

John, I stopped by the store and picked up some Depends for Ya! :eek:

[animal]

Love the purple and yellow truck in the back ground,I painted one of my harleys like that a few years back. must have looked good, it won 3 bike shows in 3 weeks.

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Thanks Tim for sharing. Clint Eastwood, a monkey, and you'd have a movie!:D LOL!!!!! Who's the woman on the bike?

Today, Scott and I did some more work on "DaScrew Driver II." Nothing new added, so no new pictures. Scott finished running the cables and wiring harnesses. I replaced Temp nuts and Bolts for real ones and got every nut and Bolt "Flight Tight." Scott also got all the hoses routed and out of the way of everything else and we basically cleaned up and made things ready for safety wiring and inspection.

We have everything on the gyro that goes on the gyro, so we decided to do a test wieght. So far with everything except blades, she weighs 300lbs on the button.

Scott and I expect with fluids (no Fuel) and blades to be just under 400lbs.:D Things are comming together and it wont be long before you'll hear the thumping sound of new blades in the air.

BTW....Scott and Mary got a new friend today.

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[ben]

new friend????

[scottessex]

I'll post pictures tomorrow.

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Thanks Tim for sharing. Clint Eastwood, a monkey, and you'd have a movie!:D LOL!!!!! Who's the woman on the bike?

naw I am to ugly for the Movie.. as for the woman, I met her on yahoo chat. I was in the chat room and asked if any women wanted to go to a bike show,and she came up to meet me and we eneded up dateing for about 2 months.

but thats past history. anyway glad to see the gyro comeing along so well, thats going to be a sweet machine for sure. 400 pounds, wow that is light for a 2 seater. what kind of proformance are you expecting?
btw I know what movie you are refering to...that one was funny as heck.

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400 pounds, wow that is light for a 2 seater. what kind of proformance are you expecting?

I'd like to answer that question and I wish Ernie, Udi, Dean Dolph, Jim Mayfield, or Vance would field this one.

I'm not that bright....but I'll try. I think that Power to wieght ratio is the key to great performance in combination with disc loading. Lets leave Disc loading alone for a minute and get to power to wieght ratio.

There are a few 2 place machines out there with 160hp engines. Of the ones I know of, they weigh in at 1200-1300lbs. These big boys need that power for sure.

If I can keep my machines weight at 400lbs (1/3rd the wieght of the above) or less, with 75hp (Roughly 1/2 the hp), I'm hoping for better numbers in terms of "Power to wieght ratio."

400lbs (machine) + 50lbs (fuel) + 220;bs (me) = 670lbs AUW / 75hp = 8.93lbs per HP. SOLO.

400lbs (machine) + 50lbs (fuel) + 220;bs (me) + 80lbs ("DaBug") = 750lbs AUW / 75hp = 10.00lbs per HP. SOLO + child.

400lbs (machine) + 50lbs (fuel) + 220;bs (me) + 200lbs (Dual) = 870lbs AUW / 75hp = 11.6lbs per HP. Dual.

We are looking at a 9-12lbs per HP range depending on AUW (All Up Wieght) loading.

I have 27ft Dragon Wings. Area = 572.27 Square ft.

670 AUW / 572.27 = 1.17lbs per square ft. SOLO....This is very light in terms of Disc Loading.

750 AUW / 572.27 = 1.31lbs per square ft. SOLO + Child.....This is Perfect disc Loading for Dragon Wings.

870 AUW / 572.27 = 1.52lbs per square ft. DUAL......1.5-1.7 is recommended disc loading for 2 place applications.

As you can see after digesting all of that.....I'm trying to build a very light weight 2 place machine with good Power to weight ratio and light disc loading for optimum flight performance. The only numbers that scare me is the disc loading SOLO.....That's a little too light and I'll probably fly with 80-100lbs of wieght in the rear seat when flying solo.

That's my best shot, if anyone whats to comment on the numbers, please do. Verify my thinking is on track.

Johnathan Wise (Automan123) pulled damn near 700lbs of thrust at ROC.....But I'm not trying to fly Titanic.:D :eek: I'm Kidding Johnny Boy!

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[Udi]

I just saw your post, John.

I really like your numbers. You don't have to worry about the disk loading at solo (1.17) - that is not too low. You may bob a little in gusts, but it is safe. Your RRPM should be around 300 solo (this may not sound like much but tip speed is still higher than 400 fps). Those 27 ft DWs have a pretty high inertia so I don't expect your RRPM to fluctuate too much. Maybe Ernie can comment too. It wouldn't hurt for you to carry a sand bag the first few flights but I bet you will really like the performance without the sand.

You may want to talk with Dave Sease who is flying pretty much the same gyro, and he weighs less than you do.

Udi

[GyroRon]

I weighted my pig yesterday before taking it apart for my new seat and fuel tank experiment. It weighted 400 pounds exactly ready to fly with only about 1/2 a gallon of fuel in the tank I couldn't get drained out.

I know the pod and windshield on my ship is heavy, and my dashboard is slightly heavy being made out of aluminum instead of fiberglass or plastic. Also I have a small battery and the smoke system.

I figure if I took those items off, I probably would weight 30-35 pounds less. So I believe 400 pounds for Johns two place is very realistic, even though I doubted it at first.

How will it fly? Depends who is holding the stick....

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Thanks Udi. I am very concerned at this point about solo operations, but after reading your post, I feel alot better. Thanks!

How will it fly? Depends who is holding the stick....

Do you wanna hold my stick Ron?

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[GyroRon]

no john, I don't want anything to do with your little stick!:D

[Aussie_Paul]

no john, I don't want anything to do with your little stick!:D


Ooooh, I can see some, you show me yours and I will show you mine!!!!!:D

Aussie Paul.:)

[13brv3]

You guys really crack me up with these pics. I think Screw must have one for every occasion, but I REALLY don't want to know where he got this last one from :D

Rusty

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no john, I don't want anything to do with your little stick!:D

Good! Although I've never seen you fly your gyro with your mouth, I didn't want you anywhere near my little stick.:D

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[GyroRon]

I thought this thread was about a gyro?

[Vance]

This is a good example of my lack of a sense of humor. I just don’t see the humor in it. I am not asking for an explanation of what makes it funny.

Thank you, Vance

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This is a good example of my lack of a sense of humor. I just don’t see the humor in it. I am not asking for an explanation of what makes it funny.

Thank you, Vance

I appologize for the tastless humor...... Ron really tickles me. If I offended anyone, my appologize to you as well.

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You guys really crack me up with these pics. I think Screw must have one for every occasion, but I REALLY don't want to know where he got this last one from :D

Rusty

As bad as this sounds....Some of these pics I got from Ron's earlier postings. Others, I just do a google search for specific actors and actresses. I like pulling up funny pics of Actors and actresses that I use to watch on TV alot as a kid.

Do you remember "Good Times?" The episode where they "Killed Off" Dad (John Amos). Until I saw him pop up in a Bruce Willis Film (One of the Die Hards), I thought he really was dead. LOL

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[Vance]

John, you are a gentleman. I did not take offense. I did feel it lacked humor. Not everyone would agree.
Thank you, Vance

[automan1223]

Big Red Flies just fine... when the temps get above 83-85 then I have to get into the extra power. If I lost 40 lbs, put the smaller battery in, saving 25lbs and eliminated an extra 10lbs of b.s horn etc then I am sure it would fly with more than adequate power reserve above 85f. above that the humidity and DA are felt in a negative way.

Since I know how the machine handles, and do not waste power I can say that I can cruise at 4775 with 410lbs of pax and full tanks of 19-20 gallons fuel. Not bad in 83 degrees. Reported D.A of 1400' I am at sea level.

I can climb at 5000rpm
my max rpm is 5350~

Light has its advantages the rotor rpm is the most important though. Too low rotor rpm leaves for soggy stick response.

Johnathan Wise (Automan123) pulled damn near 700lbs of thrust at ROC.....But I'm not trying to fly Titanic.:D :eek: I'm Kidding Johnny Boy!

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[Phil_Ruffin]

John, you are a gentleman.

Now That's Funny!!!!!!! :D

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Johnathan, I was only using your gyro as an example of "Power To Wieght" ratio. I've seen you fly your gyro and she looks like she flies very well. I hope you didn't take my comments as "Trashing" your gyro. I was not.

Phil, I don't understand your humor :D Kidding, I know I can be course at times.

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John, you are a gentleman.

See Vance, you do have a sence of humor. You probably cracked Phil up hard enough to wet his britches. I know I nearly did.

Thanks You,

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[GyroRon]

John, I found this one and thought you needed to read it....

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Have you seen some of your flying videos? You think I'm unstable........ Anyway, I ran across these and thought of you. Since we are sharing and all.

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[GyroRon]

John, I like Darth but the Yoda kinda bothers me....

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Yoda bother me alittle too, but you didn't wanna see what I saw Chubacca doing to Princes Liegh.

Have you met my neighbor?

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[GyroRon]

John, before you post stuff like that you should .......

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Back on topic.......It's my pleasure to announce to you that at approximately 1535 hours today, Scott Essex breathed life into "DaScrew-Driver II" for the first time.

She fired off on the first pull and all instruments, Temps, and RPM's are within normal parameters. We did manage to overspeed the engine a little which means we need to re-pitch the prop.

We are waiting on a 70 inch to return from Powerfin. This prop will be used until my new 70.9 inch Kiev arrives.

For right now though, we are using a 60 inch Warp drive to break in the engine. The pitch is set at 16 degrees and we over sped the engine. The engine has gobbs of power and squatted the nosewheel with authority.

Today has been a very productive day. Thanks you Scott. We are lacking the assembly of the pre-rotator hoses, looming the wires, basic clean up, and a Hang Test. We should be ready for flight testing by SX Days.

BTW- "DaScrew-Driver II" currently weighs in without blades at 316lbs with fluids minus fuel and hydrolic fluid. This wieght includes coolant, radio, antenna, Warp prop, and all that is going to be installed. We are still looking good at keeping her under 400lbs with blades.

I'm so excited I could pee!:D

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[scottessex]

Yes we need to repitch the prop, when those RAVE valves open that sucker wants to go! I hope to get some good weather this week and sit down with the chart and do a break in. Today we just ran it for a couple of minutes to check the gauges etc. All that stuff has to be working before I can do a break in run, I'll put 2 degrees more pitch in the prop and we'll see how that goes, the I'll tie it to the polel out front and run it for an hour following the break in procedure.

Still have to safety wire, hook up hydraulic hoses, tie up wires, set idle speed etc, but it seems to run well. Jetting should be correct, everything seems to be ready to go!

We got some much needed rain today so we ran the gyro in the hangar with it tied to the back of John's truck.

[Phil_Ruffin]

Sounds like you guys had a good day. Sorry I couldn't get over there.
I left the house around 8 this morning and didn't get home till around 10 tonight.

Running that 618 in the hangar had to be a little on the loud side. Can't wait to see it fly.

[GyroRon]

If it is a 60 inch 3 blade warp, you might want to try pitching it to 20 degrees measured at the tips as a starting point. I think mine was at 19 degrees with the old 3 to 1 ratio. I was able to drop it back to around 12 degrees when I changed to a 2.67 to 1 ratio.

[scottessex]

Sheesh! It finally got here!!! They must have shipped it from the former Soviet block on a small boat, but it is here the Kiev prop, really a nice piece of work.

[MikeBoyette]

Scott,
Ron said your having some overheating problems with the 618, did ya get it solved?

[ben]

scott that looks sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

screw how long before your in the air????

[scottessex]

Mike I was having high EGT's and water temps. The radiator cap was wrong, and the expansion tank had a weld bead pushing up on the cap seal. Got all that fixed. Installed a temp EGT gauge and am getting a lower reading than the EIS.
Still working with prop pitch and jets.
One ignition was bad on the stator coil. It worked at idle to about 4000 rpm and then became erratic. checked good on the bench, go figure.
Radiator cap thing solved , Ignition problem solved, just have to get the EGT down and we should be good. I just didn't have enough time to get it ready before the fly in.

[MikeBoyette]

Scott,
That's the way it goes it's better not rush something like that I guess. Good luck I can't wait to see it fly at BD's next year.

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Hey Mike.....If you come to ROC, you can see it fly there. Bring your daddy too.

I hope soon Ben. Scott is really working hard on it, and like he said, we just didn't have the time to work out all the bugs before the fly-in. I'd rather take our time now, than rebuild later.

That prop looks like it needs a 618! Scott, did you tip the Russian guy who dropped it off?

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[scottessex]

Yeah I gave him a couple of roubles, a shot of vodka and sent him on his way.

[scottessex]

New prop is on, just about dialed in..................................temps are getting around normal now, a little bit more work:D

[ultracruiser41]

Dang! That's one "purdy" prop!!!!!

Git 'R' Done!

Barry (mold in my ass) K ! (house is dryin' out!)

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Wow! I had no idea you were even working on it today. My eyes are tearing and my britches are wet....Sorry, I had to pee.

Thanks Scott, Looks Great! How are the temps looking?

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[animal]

man that is going to be one sweet machine when finished, that prop looks mean.

[bones]

Scott a question if i may, the orange frame over the gearbox holds the pump for the prerotator, how is it engaged on to the prop hub, i can see a cable coming out of that area, a close up of it completed would be nice thats.

[scottessex]

Bones, I still don't have the pulley for the hyd pump or the belt on at this time, once I get everything else ironed out I will install the belt, and prop spinner.

The prop hub has a pulley for a flat belt instead of a pre rotator drum. The cable moves an idler pulley to tighten the belt.

[dragonflyerthom]

Yep That is nice. What made you decide to go outside with your cables??

Thom

[scottessex]

What made you decide to go outside with your cables??
The rudder cables I assume? That is the way Ernie built the airframe.

I like the cables on the outside it makes them alot easier to inspect and clean,lube etc. Drilling holes in the keel lets in dirt, corrosion etc, plus it can weaken it at a high stress area, such as the tail keel where the gyro sets on the tail wheel everytime you land.

[Rehan K.Janjua]

Hello Scott.

Looking good. Excellant machine.
Lovely 618 and the awesome prop. Very glad to see you doing well.

Just make sure you have a retaining clip on those rudder cable pulleys, so they dont get off the pulley when loose.

Just a thought by looking at the pictures.

Good luck and keep us posted.
Rehan

[dragonflyerthom]

Now what kind of prop is that?


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Hey Thom.

The prop is a Kiev Hot Prop sold eclusively through B&B Sport Aviation here in the US. The prop is from the Ukraine and sold around the world. Be prepaired to wait though. I ordered mine March 1st of this year and just recieved it this past week.



http://www.kievprop.com.ua/

http://www.aero-sports.com/bb/

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[scottessex]

OK John, (Screw) came out today and we re-jetted and re-pitched the prop, Temps are down, engine seems to be running very well, just a few more loose ends to tie up before the testing begins.:D

[ultracruiser41]

you go boys!!

Hey Scott, can you send me your address again...I'm sending John out his tank tomorrow!

Thanks,

Barry

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Hell Yeah, Temps are down and my britches are wet! I can't wait to ride that pony!

The prop is pitched to 6500RPM on the ground. The prop is very quiet and Scott's trees have no more leaves.

Scott mounted the radio on the panel, and I mounted the Intercom behind the front seat. As a result, we have a few radio type issues that I think I have solved today. I sent my patchcord back to Comtronics so that they can stretch the Audio cables to 8 ft. This way I can keep the patchcord under my seat and use the PTT. I also ordered from them a 6 ft. power cord for the intercom, and went to radio shack and got a power cord for my Icom.

Communications are solved.

Scott is wanting to make another bracket or two for the radiator hose and overflow bottle. Outside of that, we are ready to "Hang Test" and Test-Fly.

From the Fasion and Design Department (FDD), we have just obtain the checker board needed to complete the paint scheme.

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Ok folks! We be almost ready to "Test Fly." We were gonna try and test fly it next Sunday, but Steve will be out of town, so looks like we will shoot for the Sunday after that.

Communications have been resolved.

Instrument panel is complete and it looks great! Maybe Scott will post a pic or two.

We have completed the Hang Test and we are nose heavy. I will be calling Ernie tomarrow about the results which were:

With me (207lbs) in the front seat and less than a 1/2 tank of fuel in the rear seat, we are hanging at 5 1/2 - 6 degrees on the mast. The head is in the most forward position, and the front seat is in the furthest back position. It looks like we will have to add wieght to the rear of the A/C to balance it out.

The engine is running strong, and I got to taxie it around yesturday to check the brakes and tracking. I didn't not taxie any faster than a slow walk and really had to stay on the brakes to keep it that slow! Baby wanted to go!

All looks good with "Green Lights" across the board, and Scott looks like a proud Pappa.

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[RayPierce]

John
Did you solve the problem with the shock strut bracket mount sliding up the mast?

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We just torqued the snot out of that bracket. It shouldn't go anywhere. I spent some time taxie it around the other day on Scott's field, and it didn't move.

As you suggested at SX Days, if it does become a problem, we can run a cable to an airframe bolt to lock it in place.

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[ultracruiser41]

I installed another clamp right above it from 1" angle to help hold it. I also have AN4 bolts that go through the tubes the shocks are attached with. (I noticed yours oesn't have them) It take alot off tourqe to hold those shock clamps together!!


BarryK

[GyroRon]

116.9 hours on mine and mine only moved once. I tightened the heck out of the bolts and it has since stayed put.

[Aussie_Paul]

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We just torqued the snot out of that bracket. It shouldn't go anywhere. I spent some time taxie it around the other day on Scott's field, and it didn't move.

As you suggested at SX Days, if it does become a problem, we can run a cable to an airframe bolt to lock it in place.

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What you really mean is, you over torqued the bolt, as I have done on occaissions,:eek: Paul now slaps his wrist!!!:o

Try a very small amount of silicone under the plates.

Aussie Paul.:)

[Doug Riley]

AN nuts are softer than the bolts. If the nuts strip, it's too tight. If they don't, it's not.

On my 2-place, they slipped only once, thanks to a crunchy landing by a student who will remain anonymous. The slippage probably prevented any bending of other things.

If the brackets get too high on the mast, the nosewheel and tail wheel touch the ground at the same time and make it hard to turn.

[RobO]

John & Scott,

Referring to hang test post #216, why is adding weight being considered instead of a new set of cheek plates to move the rotor head forward?

Congrats on your progress.

Rob

[GyroRon]

Rob, adding weight is the easy fix for that problem. I spoke with John last night and tried to explain that new cheekplates is the only real solution worth looking at. Adding weight to his machine should be a last resort, as he plans to fly two people with extremely marginal power, 10-15 pounds of lead weight in the tail is not the best way to fix that!

[scottessex]

Well there is nothing to move or relocate, so it will be new cheekplates,
Tried to avoid this as the 2 place cheek plates are QUITE a bit different than the single place plates.

The 2 place uses a set of cheek plates that tie the mast and the 2 front braces together, plus it has 1x2 riveted in place, etc. Not quite as simple as 2 small plates.

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I spoke to Ernie this morning and he is making me a new cheek plate assemble for me that will move the head forward.

This will solve the problem without gaining any weight since we did work so hard to keep the weight down.

I agree that adding wieght to the rear of the A/C isn't a good idea, but as Ron says, it is an easy fix.

But Don't worry. After considering what all has been involved money and time wise, there is no sense in taking short cuts now.

Scott will be sending Ernie the old cheek plate assembly, and we will be receiving another one.:D

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[CLS447]

Hey guys, Don't forget to post pics of the old & new plates !!!!

Keep up the good work!

[RobO]

Sounds like a plan. If the ship was hanging 5-1/2 degrees (either way), those plates will be significantly different like you said. On my single place, one inch of head offset wasn't far off from a one degree change in hang angle. To change that hang angle by three degrees (to get to the optimal ~2.5) would have meant moving the head around three full inches.

Also, by using new cheek plates and not adding weight, you'll have less to sling around the CG in the yaw and pitch axes (a more favorable moment of inertia).

Rob

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The 2 place Dominator hangs between 1-5 degrees. This time of year, I weigh in at 207lbs and after I put on my "Winter Coat," I'm closer to 220lbs.

We are gonna set it up at 4 degrees at my current wieght giving some room for the "Winter Coat." Unfortunately, no one over the 220lbs weight limit can sit in the front seat.

However, by moving the seat forward, we should be able to accomodate someone around 160lbs in the front seat as well.

The only way I can set the balance at 2 1/2 degree with me in the front seat would be to move the head forward 3 inches. By doing so, anyone up front much lighter with make the gyro tail heavy.

We will make changes as needed, however, after discussing the matter at length with Ernie (The Master), this would be the place to start.

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[ultracruiser41]

OK Boys.....haven't heard anything about the Screw Driver in awhile!!!

Come on....I'm waiting!

I'm almost peeing my pants in anticipation!:eek:




Barry (I feel all warm in the pants) K

[scottessex]

We're still waiting too. on UPS.

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We're still waiting too. on UPS.

Oh Man! You have no faith. Cheek plates arrived as I was tracking the package.

Test flight is Scheduled for this Sunday, 8:00am at Herbert Smart (KMAC). I'm planning on bringing a spare set of underwear.:D

Who let the dogs out? Who, Who, Who , Who, Who!!!!!!

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[ben]

go johnnie go

[ultracruiser41]

John, Oh Great Dominator God!

I'm peeing for ya!!!


Barry (I feel damp) K

[stuart]

wish i could be there!

[Phil_Ruffin]

John, Good luck with the test flights tomorrow morning. Wish I could be there!

[MikeBoyette]

It's now dark hopefully it's done. How did the test flight go?

[Joe Pires]

Well??????

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Very pleased to announce that at around 0900 hours this Am, CFI Steve McGowan taxied, crowhopped and test flew "DaScrew-Driver II."

Scott has the pictures.

As expected, we had some adjustments that needed to be made. Most were trim, and control related, and after every change, another flight.

The numbers look very well. Steve said, "At 4500 RPM and 270RRPM she's flying and there aint nuthin you can do bout it!" He siad he was flying comfortably at 45mph @ 5000RPR and 295-300RRPM. All temps lloked great which meant no re-pitching the prop or re-jetting the carbs.

Steve couldn't believe the machine weighed in at 401lbs, but seemed to like the combination. When asked how the engine felt "Feels good, but I aint got in it yet."

After another flight or two, he got the engine up to 70mph @ 6000RPM. The prop (which he also liked alot) was pitched to 6500RPM on the ground......Which means he still had more throttle to go. We think in the air, the engine will get up to 6800-7000RPM.

Around noon and after all the adjustments and going for another flight Steve picked up on a "Different" sound comming from the engine just after wheels up. He immediately set her down and returned.

Scott and Steve began looking over the engine and slowly turning the prop and did hear something inside one of the cylinders that wasn't right.

This scrubbed the remaining test flights for the day. The good news is Steve caught it before doing any harm to the engine, machine or to himself.

All in all, I consider today to have been very successfull for several reason:

1. The machine flies straight and according to Steve, "Smooth as a button." No bad habbits and easy to fly.

2. Laid aside any fear of being "Underpowered and over rotored." Steve said the Power to wieght ratio felt good and the machine was strong.

3. Does not appear to have any flair or nose heavy problems, nothing a stiffer trim spring wont fix.

I'm very pleased with todays results. And looking forward to going again.

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[ultracruiser41]

I Just Pee'd !!

Congrats!!!


Barry (I'm spent) K

[CLS447]

Great John !

I hope that noise was not serious.

Shar & I finally got some of the detailing done on our SxS, so we hope to be doin the same thing AGAIN real soon.

BTW , did you have to change the cheekplates ?

I Imagine that you guys did the normal "breakin" after the rebuild ?

[Phil_Ruffin]

Great report John, I'm sure you're a proud Papa!
I know Scott will find the noise in the engine and straighten it out in short order.
Next flight will be yours! I think Scott and I should take our Gyros down and make your first flight in it a group trip down the river! :)

[scottessex]

I think Scott and I should take our Gyros down and make your first flight in it a group trip down the river!

How high can Gators jump?

[Timchick]

I know Scott will find the noise in the engine and straighten it out in short order. Next flight will be yours! I think Scott and I should take our Gyros down and make your first flight in it a group trip down the river! :)

Let's hope Scott finds the right noise before the river run. Better bring some floaties.:D

[Phil_Ruffin]

How high can Gators jump?

With a running start about 3 inches :eek: So as long as your 12" off the water you should be OK! :eek:

[RICK MARTIN]

Yeeeeeeeha!

[CLS447]

Whats up guys ?

[scottessex]

Busy, Busy, Busy,

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Going back out to Macon Tomarrow for some more test flying and transition training.

How's that Chris?

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[Timchick]

Good luck. Sorry I didn't hang around until you got there.

[Phil_Ruffin]

I went down to Macon (McGowan Land) today to watch John solo his new toy.
It rained until after lunch but then the real fun started.
Here is a mess O' photos.

1 and 2 are for legal purposes
3 mounting blades
4 Steve test flight