Learning to Speak "Aviation"

[Heather Poe]

To improve my radio skills, I am listening to local air traffic control on http://www.liveatc.net/. This website allows me to listen to towers all over the country.

[Tina]

Thanks Heather,
I need to work on this myself, practice makes perfect.

[scandtours]

Much information can be found in this file.

http://www.nwgyro.co.uk/downloads/cap413.pdf

Giorgos Kouzapas

[KenSandyEggo]

They have a Unicom Radio at Hemet!!?? What happened to the big signalling flags? :rolleyes:

[pwongkit]

Thank you Heather.
pwongkit

[Rehan K.Janjua]

Thank you Heather for bringing it up.

Thank you Giorgos for the web site.

Best Regards.

Rehan

[gm276]

Great site Heather.
I know I need more practice with this.
Don B

[robertstodaro]

It's hard to believe that two women will admit to needing to learn to speak!

Or maybe they just need to learn to speak to men.

Try this ladies "OINK OINK OINK "


I'm sure I'm gonna pay for this one now!

[Tina]

It's hard to believe that two women will admit to needing to learn to speak!

Or maybe they just need to learn to speak to men.

Try this ladies "OINK OINK OINK "


I'm sure I'm gonna pay for this one now!

Robert,
Either your one big ass hole or you have no glue what this forum is all about.

[Tina]

They have a Unicom Radio at Hemet!!?? What happened to the big signalling flags? :rolleyes:

Now Ken you are just rude!! no class at all.:mad:

[Rotornut]

LOL at you Guys! open mouth insert foot. MJ :)

[Timchick]

Tina,
I think you missed Robert's intention with his post. If men are pigs you've got to talk to them in pig language. I will have to agree with your assesment of Ken though.:D

[KenSandyEggo]

Oh c'mon Tina, lighten up. I have a great fondness for Hemet. My ex-wife almost killed us both while she was piloting our Ercoupe out of there one hot summer day. I'll never forget Hemet.

[robertstodaro]

LOL....Is that you Dear?

Tina, YOU'RE almost right on the money.

I am an AH
And it's true "I have no glue"
But mostly I'm a pig,
I was going to edit out my comments, but now I guess I'll have to let them stand.

When I needed to learn to speak on the radio I got a book titled '' SAY AGAIN PLEASE'

It's a goodie, to be followed by "An airmans guide to radio communication"

Listening to local airtraffic will teach you how to incorrectly use a radio

best wishes

[Vance]

Talking on the radio is a thing I find most challenging. The fear of making an ass of myself causes me to make an ass of myself. Those of you that have spoken to me know that my speach tempo is a little slow. I only have the one speed, and if I try to go faster I just get in trouble. I had an engine out in a Robinson 44 when we were practing 180 autorotations, carb ice, and I needed to auto to the ground. I was only half way through my emergancy call when I touched down. My instructor sugested that I break in, but that seemed kind of rude. I had not finished calling in my position and it might have been hard to find me if I had an untidy landing and the elt hadn't worked. Yes, my carb heat was on.

Heather and Tina, I feel that you add so much to this forum and I look foward to your posts, I hope any misunderstanding will not cause you to hesitate to post your thoughts and feelings. MJ, you know that I think you add a lot.

Thank you, Vance

[Tina]

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the support, I love this forum even with its AH's, but most or you guys are the greatest bunch of people I think I have ever had the pleasure in talking with.

Robert love the pitcher it realy gos with your personallity well. Its good that one can admit to there sort comings, I can respect that.:p

[KenSandyEggo]

"......I needed to auto to the ground. I was only half way through my emergancy call when I touched down. My instructor sugested that I break in, but that seemed kind of rude."

I think your instructor steered you wrong, Vance. I was taught to "fly the aircraft first."

[KenSandyEggo]

"Thanks for the support, I love this forum even with its AH's,......."

Tina, one guy made a joke about communicating, particularly when talking to men, which it appears you didn't get, and I made a joke about an airport, which somehow you took personally. Does that warrant calling some of us a**h****s? Your retort seems much more vindictively personal than 2 lame jokes. It's great to have women here, but are we to walk on eggs and kiss ass so as not to offend seemingly fragile personalities that have no problem calling people a**h***s? If you can throw that name around toward particular denizens of this Forum, you should be able to tolerate a lame joke once in awhile. That's my 2 cents. Fire away, folks.

[PW_Plack]

Vance,

I was taught that in an emergency, we should "aviate, navigate, communicate" in that order. You didn't have any navigation to do, so you were exactly right.

[KenSandyEggo]

I still say one should not be attempting to talk on the radio during a rapid autorotation. If Vance was half way through his communication when he touched down, he's lucky he didn't roll over with his concentration being on talking to a voice that isn't going to do diddley as to a safe landing. Landing in an autorotation is probably a skill that everyone needs to provide their utmost attention to in order to avoid calamity. More helis are banged up during this maneuver than any other, it seems. Up until the skids touch down, you're still in an aviating mode.

Aviate means fly the craft, navigate means find a place to set her down....then you'll have time to communicate, unless you've really screwed up and then it doesn't matter anyway.

[robertstodaro]

Tina

I think you spelled out your case very well.

LOL

[KenSandyEggo]

Just noticed the town you live in, Robert. :D I was born in Raisinkrap, Illinois.

[Tina]

Tina, one guy made a joke about communicating, particularly when talking to men, which it appears you didn't get, and I made a joke about an airport, which somehow you took personally. Does that warrant calling some of us a**h****s? Your retort seems much more vindictively personal than 2 lame jokes. It's great to have women here, but are we to walk on eggs and kiss ass so as not to offend seemingly fragile personalities that have no problem calling people a**h***s? If you can throw that name around toward particular denizens of this Forum, you should be able to tolerate a lame joke once in awhile. That's my 2 cents. Fire away, folks.

Ken,
I called you rude and one that has no class the other guy a AH lets get that straight first. I just wanted to get back at comments you both made that was directed at me. I think I had every right to do so. You almost sound pissed Ken that I can speck my mind. Sorry but if you give it to me, I will give it right back with a double punch.:p :p

[Vance]

Thank you Paul and Ken, my primary focus was on putting the helocopter on the ground undamaged, but we were in the middle of Kansas and telling someone where we were and what sort of problem seemed important at the time.

I am an NTSB enthusist and often they are unable to locate the downed aircraft in a timely way and this makes a dificult situation worse.

I believe it goes "who am I talking too? who am I? where am I ? what am I fixing to do?" My instructor felt that I should have steped on other pilots comunications and I should learn to speak faster.

He is very formal about who has the aircraft and tries not to interupt me even when he is not entirely pleased with my performance.

Please help me understand if this in not correct.

Thank you, Vance

[david holmes]

TSH, TSH, TSH!!!!!
children, CHILDREN, CHILDREN!!!!!!


Quote:
Originally Posted by KenSandyEggo
Tina, one guy made a joke about communicating, particularly when talking to men, which it appears you didn't get, and I made a joke about an airport, which somehow you took personally. Does that warrant calling some of us a**h****s? Your retort seems much more vindictively personal than 2 lame jokes. It's great to have women here, but are we to walk on eggs and kiss ass so as not to offend seemingly fragile personalities that have no problem calling people a**h***s? If you can throw that name around toward particular denizens of this Forum, you should be able to tolerate a lame joke once in awhile. That's my 2 cents. Fire away, folks.

Ken,
I called you rude and one that has no class the other guy a AH lets get that start first. I just wanted to get back at comments you both made that was directed at me. I think I had every right to do so. You almost sound pissed Ken that I can speck my mind. Sorry but if you give it to me, I will give it right back with a double punch.
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Tina

[robertstodaro]

Tina

Eye yam clad ewe isunt mad know mower.

LOL

See you next time

wishing you well.

okay, I'm done, LOL, I promise

[KenSandyEggo]

A joke about Hemet Airport was aimed at you, and that makes me rude and with no class? If you say so. Why would I object to anyone speaking their mind? I certainly speak mine. I just thought it was a little overboard to call people such names and be offended as much as you were over those silly comments which basically didn't refer to you at all, IMO. Seemed to me that I should be able to speak my mind without personal insults. Would take a heck of lot more than this to get me pissed. I've reformed over the last few years. O.K., it appears we were both slightly offended, so that cancels everything out and we can be friendly again.......Right?

O.K. David, O.K.

[Cobra Doc]

There have been a lot of pilot's bodies recovered with microphone in hand. I've also had to deal with listening to a pilot's entire biography just to find out they want to taxi to the pumps from the tie-down ramp.
One of my personal best, as a pilot:"Tower, N63287 is VOR inbound for parking at Sun West".
"Roger 287, cleared to land, left turn-ff when able. Watch for the Heavy on the perpendicular. Thank God somebody today knows how to use the radio."
"Tower, 287 has the Heavy. Turn out will be second left."
Sometimes it just pays to have been a controller. You would be surprised at the ATC support you get when you sound professional on the radio, even if ATC knows you are a Student.

[Harry_S.]

Be cool Tina.;)

For a lot of years I had a little piece of paper, I had cut from a magazine, under the plastic protector on my desk.

Just five words...DON'T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF.


Cheers :)

[KenSandyEggo]

Simplest call in was when I flew with Stephanos to Lindbergh Field (Class B) for lunch a few years ago. Me: "Lindbergh tower, this is gyrocopter niner kilo-juliette 5 miles north over Pacific Highway for landing on taxiway Charlie abeam JimsAir." Tower: "Roger niner kilo-juliette. Cleared to land on taxiway Charlie. Caution for wake turbulrence from a heavy on a 5 mile final."
Me: "Niner kilo-juliette, roger. Cleared to land on taxiway Charlie."

That was it. Never spoke to anyone until we were ready to leave. Didn't have to talk to ground, because the parking apron was about 8 feet off to the right, so I just taxied off.

[Tina]

O.K., it appears we were both slightly offended, so that cancels everything out and we can be friendly again.......Right?


Okay Ken "Truce" I am sorry I got carried away. I like a good argument I guess. Friends again.:D

[KenSandyEggo]

Some of the old timers here can probably remember some of the arguments I got into here awhile back. I even went after Chuck B. before I knew better and thought I knew everything after being involved with gyros for about 6 months. Live and learn.

[Timchick]

Tina

Eye yam clad ewe isunt mad know mower.

LOL

See you next time

wishing you well.

okay, I'm done, LOL, I promise

You're on your own this time Robert.

[david holmes]

Okay Ken "Truce" I am sorry I got carried away. I like a good argument I guess. Friends again.:D

Remember Ken's recently moved to a very strange land where everything is different!

And go easy on Tina, remember part of every month females will kill.

[Gary_in_Orygun]

"And go easy on Tina, remember part of every month females will kill."

David, them be fight'en words to most ladies I know.

Back on track with some tower conversations:

ME: "Salem Tower, Experimental gyroplane N73Gulf-Kilo 5 miles northeast, landing with information Kilo."

Tower: "N73Gulf-Kilo report right downwind for runway 32."

Me: "N73Gulf-Kilo report right downwind for runway 32."

later...

Me: "Salem Tower, gyroplane N73Gulf-Kilo turning right downwind for runway 32."

Tower: "N73Gulf-Kilo, I see that you are a helicopter. You are cleared to the helipad."

ME: "Negative tower. N73Gulf-Kilo is a gyroplane. I need to land on the runway."

Tower: "Do you have wheels or skids?"

ME: "N73Gulf-Kilo has wheels."

Tower: "Roger. N73Gulf-Kilo cleared to land runway 32."
:p

[Gary_in_Orygun]

Oops, double post