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Hey My names Jason, Im a newbie at this stuff, I am in the process of building a custom G-1 ultralight by vortech Inc. I am 15 and got my first flight in a hiller UH-12 just 2 days ago from a guy I didnt even Know! I think Im hooked now so I Just thought I'd drop by and introduce myself!
Rotor-Head
11-27-2005, 07:38 PM
Hello there.... 15 huh? That''s awesome. That's when I started flying
...and have been ever since....
Friendly
11-27-2005, 08:03 PM
Hello Jason , welcome to the forum.
Rick Whittridge
11-27-2005, 08:49 PM
Welcome Jason, I wish i was 15 again & had my first rotorwing flight. I was hooked on gyros at the age of 6 watching Dr. Bensen preforme air shows at WPAFB but took me 35 yrs to fullfill my dream . GoGo Go for it!
Timchick
11-28-2005, 04:43 AM
Welcome Krew. I also wish I had started my gyro dreaming back at that age. Start going to as many gyro events as you can and go for some rides.
Doug Riley
11-28-2005, 05:09 AM
Hey, Jason -- I bought my gyro plans and the first parts for my first gyro in the summer after 8th grade! Welcome.
Get in touch with other gyro enthusiasts in your area. Join the Popular Rotorcraft Association (www.pra.org), check in with one of the flight instructors listed at their site, attend some gyro flyins. All these activities will help you get a feel for gyro building and flying.
Alan Coats
11-28-2005, 05:18 AM
I am in the process of building a custom G-1 ultralight by vortech Inc.
Jason,
I think everyone missed the fact that you are already building a helicopter. That's awesome!
What kind of support/training will you have? Are you doing this all by yourself?
Welcome to the Forum. Keep us informed, and post some pictures.
Alan
Yea, I'm building an ultralight, if everything goes well I should have it done soon, my mom gives me money so long as I keep my grades up. After I complete the actual G-1 itself I am going to customize it to where it is a closed cabin. What do you guys think of the kestrel by Vortech? Or any liquid propane burning jet helicopter at all? Is it better than a two stroke?
scott heger
11-29-2005, 08:54 PM
Jason, have your mom take you to the Rotorway factory in Arizona(outside phoenix). It will show you how a homebuilt helicopter can be made. A scratch-built homemade helicopter is actually quite a enginnering feat to master. If you ever get to Southern California email me, and I would be happy to give you a helicopter ride also. I got my first ride when I was 5 years old, been hooked ever since. Good luck to you.
Scott Heger, Laguna Niguel, Ca N86SH
Adam H
11-29-2005, 09:39 PM
Hi Jason,
In my experience Vortech is NOT a good way to get in to flying. I'm 23 and half-owner of a Honeybee gyro that a friend and I built. We both soloed this past Summer. Just like you, I bought plans to build the G-1 when I was in eighth grade after seeing the ad in the back of Popular Science. You need to do a reality check, how many G-1's have been built and successfully flown? Not to mention the fact that flying any helicopter is hard, not something you will be able to teach yourself as you may think, it will cost you thousands to learn to fly one. As for the Kestrel, forget about it, totally impractical, again, how many are flying out there? It took me a lot of dumb luck and hunting around to find out about the PRA and my local gyro club, and I would like to save you a lot of time and frustration. First, forget about Vortech, throw away their phone number, delete their website out of your favorites. Second, find your nearest PRA chapter (go to www.pra.org to do this) and contact someone from the club, attend a meeting and get to know the guys. These will be the people who will help your dream of flight come true. Third, now this is just my opinion, but instead of throwing more of your money away with Vortech, go to http://taggart.glg.msu.edu/gyro/gbee.htm and learn about the gyrobee. You can download the documentation FOR FREE. Best of all this isn't a Vortech pipe dream, there are tons of people out there who have built and are flying their gyrobees, my building partner and I are examples. I apologize if I seem preachy but I've been exactly where you are and I would hate to see your dream of flight go unfulfilled due to lack of information, or misinformation.
Dean_Dolph
11-30-2005, 02:17 AM
Jason, Adam is giving you solid advice. And that is what this Forum and the PRA is for. There is no reason to repeat other's mistakes and besides that it gets very costly.
Brent_Brown
11-30-2005, 04:08 AM
I was going to say what Adam did so read it again. Gyros are the why to go if you want to fly if you just want to dream drive on with your bad self.
Good luck on what ever you do.
Chuck Roberg
11-30-2005, 06:16 AM
My opinion only, but I would not purchase anything from Vortech.
Seems like its rather simple, what is so hard about it? It runs on a 40 hp+ motor, Its a simple frame design, I think the only rather diffucult part would be the rotor and tail rotor. Well does it fly at all? Whats wrong with it? I was looking into the gyrobee too and It seems like its pretty hard to fly. Is a helicopter harder? I can pay for flight school. About the part of how many are actually flying right now, That is quite a good point and I dont know, Wish I did though, I was thinking If I just talked to you guys and give you pictures and detail over the weeks of building I could probably get it done. Please give me more reasons not to construct this, Is the Gyrobee easier to build?
There is a pic of a custom G-1 on my avatar. And if you go to Prismz.com you can see more. Can you read it over and get back to me asap please.
Timchick
11-30-2005, 04:24 PM
Krew,
Ask Vortech if they have some demo videos of a G-1 actually flying. The guys here on the forum have years of rotorcraft experience, both gyros and helicopters. If the G-1 was so easy to build and fly there would be a bunch out there flying. There are a couple ultralight helicopters out there flying but the G-1 is not one of them. The Mosquito is the newest entry. It's only been around for a couple years and there are several of those flying. By other's accounts the gyrobee is an easy gyro to learn to fly for a beginner. That's with training. I think most people here would agree that Helicopters are more difficult to fly than gyros.
Krew,
Ask Vortech if they have some demo videos of a G-1 actually flying. The guys here on the forum have years of rotorcraft experience, both gyros and helicopters. If the G-1 was so easy to build and fly there would be a bunch out there flying. There are a couple ultralight helicopters out there flying but the G-1 is not one of them. The Mosquito is the newest entry. It's only been around for a couple years and there are several of those flying. By other's accounts the gyrobee is an easy gyro to learn to fly for a beginner. That's with training. I think most people here would agree that Helicopters are more difficult to fly than gyros.
I was looking at that earlier but it can only be purchased as a kit! 20,000 dollars! I dont have that kinda money. I already purchased the plans two for the price of one on vortech so I cant get my money back now. Plus doesnt the gyrobee cost around 6000 to build where the G-1 only costs 3000. Yes I obviously need help, Also thank you for sending me the DVD`s timchick, I really appreciate it.
Papa Smurf
11-30-2005, 05:21 PM
Krew,
I don't want to discourge building but the most cost effective thing for you would be flight lessons. The knowldge gained will help you make good decissions when you build.
k because I believe I could build it. I think I might build a gyrobee though, well as soon as I watch the dvds I will make up my mind because I wouldnt want to go blow a whole bunch of money and have it not work
Dean_Dolph
11-30-2005, 06:05 PM
Jason, the first thing you, or anyone else new to rotorcraft, need to do is get an introductory flight in a helicopter or gyro. Then set up your budget for what ever you decide to build. The most important item on that budget is going to be training. Don't even think about trying to fly anything without the proper training.
We have lost too many people from lack of training and many times it is because they didn't want to spend the money. Well, guess how much it costs when a machine is damaged? And that is if a pilot survives. Money is tough to come by at times but it is a lot easier to get than a new life.
Jason, the first thing you, or anyone else new to rotorcraft, need to do is get an introductory flight in a helicopter or gyro. Then set up your budget for what ever you decide to build. The most important item on that budget is going to be training. Don't even think about trying to fly anything without the proper training.
We have lost too many people from lack of training and many times it is because they didn't want to spend the money. Well, guess how much it costs when a machine is damaged? And that is if a pilot survives. Money is tough to come by at times but it is a lot easier to get than a new life.
Yes I completely see where you are coming from, I am taking an Introductory flight at Quantum Helicopters in a Robinson R-22. It is only 220 dollars and that was what I was planning on doin after I looked at all the crash threads. But is it possible for me to take an introductory flight after I complete the G-1? I wouldnt attmpt a flight without one.
Timchick
11-30-2005, 06:55 PM
Jason,
No one here is trying to discourage you from following your dream. This forum gives you a chance to listen to people with various levels of experience. Some are just like you who have just discovered gyros and others who have been flying longer than you or me have been alive.
Before you start building anything you should do as some have already recommended and go see some aircraft in person and go for some rides. Go for a ride in a helicopter and ask questions. Ask how many hours it will take for instruction, how much instruction costs, etc. Then find the nearest gyro PRA chapter or instructor and go for a ride. Ask the same questions about training, the cost of training, etc. If there are any gyro fly-ins anywhere near you go check it out.
Don't rush into buying plans, building materials, etc. until you go out and get your intro rides. Until then, search through the forum and do a lot of reading. (And watch lots of gyro videos).
Jason,
No one here is trying to discourage you from following your dream. This forum gives you a chance to listen to people with various levels of experience. Some are just like you who have just discovered gyros and others who have been flying longer than you or me have been alive.
Before you start building anything you should do as some have already recommended and go see some aircraft in person and go for some rides. Go for a ride in a helicopter and ask questions. Ask how many hours it will take for instruction, how much instruction costs, etc. Then find the nearest gyro PRA chapter or instructor and go for a ride. Ask the same questions about training, the cost of training, etc. If there are any gyro fly-ins anywhere near you go check it out.
Don't rush into buying plans, building materials, etc. until you go out and get your intro rides. Until then, search through the forum and do a lot of reading. (And watch lots of gyro videos).
ok, does anyone know where there might be a fly in that I could attend? I would like to get a ride in a gyro so i can get the feel. I might just end up building a gyrobee! Thanks Tim!:)
Adam H
11-30-2005, 11:01 PM
Hi again Jason,
The gyrobee would be a lot easier to build and learn how to fly safely than any UL helicopter. I soloed after about 20 hours of 2 place gyro instruction, my building partner soloed after about 15, and neither of us had any prior flight training. As for cost, I'm afraid that $3000 figure is more of Vortech's B.S., there is just no way. Building any flying machine is going to cost you some money, you don't want to skimp on your materials, remember your life will be hanging by them! I would say that you could probably build a gyrobee for about $5000 if you built everything yourself (except the rotor head, you would want to get that from a place like star bee) http://www.starbeegyros.com/ and purchased a good used engine and a nice used set of blades. I know that figure probably sounds high, but you don't need to shell out that cash all at once, in fact you could build a rolling airframe for around $1000. That will take most of the time involved in the building process, then you could bolt on the expensive stuff like rotor head, engine and blades as you got the money and got closer to being ready to fly. One note as you go on intro flights, in my experience most fixed wing pilots and many helicopter pilots have very little respect for or understanding of gyroplanes. Don't let an ignorant person or someone who had a bad experience with a gyro many years ago discourage you.
karlbamforth
12-01-2005, 01:39 AM
Hi jason,
Good luck in building whatever you decide. I too have looked at the Vortech plans for various things and as an aircraft engineer rejected all of them.
A Gyro will be easier and cheaper to build than a helicoper, and they are cheaper to and easier to fly too.
Come on you guys, there must be someone out there in Arizona who can show Jason around and maybe even give him a gyro flight.
Doug Riley
12-01-2005, 04:48 AM
Krew: I own a company, Aerotec, Inc. that built Gyrobee kits for years. We also have a flight school for training pilots to fly 'Bees, Dominators and other gyros. I'll attch pics of both our gyro trainer and my personal Gyrobee.
The Gyrobee is far, far easier both to build and to fly than any helicopter. A small helicopter is quite a handful to fly, while a well-designed light gyro flies pretty much like a fixed-wing ultralight plane.
There's a world of difference!
The warning you got about Vortech is a good one to think about. Vortech is to some extent in the "vaporware" business. The machines they show on their site never are seen at any flyins -- makes you wonder if they really exist! In some cases, the picture collections for an "aircraft" on sites like this are of non-flying or barely-flying, one-off prototypes. In other cases, the pics are actually of prototypes of other people's machines!
To separate the real flyers from the "pretend" ones, get a copy of the manufacturer's edition of Rotorcraft magazine. They can send you last year's edition, or you can get a membership and wait for this year's edition, which will be coming up soon. Contact www.pra.org.
Good luck and happy building and flying!
Chuck Roberg
12-01-2005, 06:09 AM
For an Intro Gyro flight I would recommend Charlie Mara. He's in the Tucson area. I do not have his phone # handy. Hopefully someone else here has it.
Rotornut
12-01-2005, 07:29 AM
Aai. Mj :)
Ok, I guess I am gonna attempt to build the gyrobee. So vortech is not a very good company huh? Bummer I could have spent the money for plans on something else. O well, I am gonna take a look at star bee gyros and start from there. I have some newbie questions to ask however, how fast does a gyrobee go? What engine does it use and would it be safe to fly in long periods of time?
Doug Riley
12-01-2005, 09:10 AM
Jason, you're welcome to contact me with questions. Just use the Private Message feature of this forum. However, Professor Ralph Taggart's Gyrobee Web site is chock full of instant answers to these and many other questions.
He also lists all the people he knows of who've finished and flown their 'Bees.
Dana and Laura Linn of Starbee are very nice folks. They will be happy to answer your questions, too. Just hit their Web site and call or email.
Another Web site worth visiting is the Magni USA site, run by their U.S. dealer, Greg Gremminger. The Magni is sort of a Lamborghini with rotorblades -- pretty pricey -- but Greg's site isn't just advertising. There's lots of good general information there about gyros.
A realistic budget for a Gyrobee is $8,000-10,000 with all new components, including a brand new engine right out of the box. The cheapest helo will be at least twice that (I wanted one for years and never could afford it!).
A good scrounger can cut that $10K cost almost in half. You can't become a "good scrounger" without an experienced guide or lots of experience of your own. New guys who try to cut cost on their first machine often buy poor-quality used goods that don't work and are just a waste of money.
So get some rides/lessons, hang out with the long-time flyers and just soak up info before parting with a lot of money for hardware!
Chuck Roberg
12-01-2005, 09:28 AM
Jason, I was going to reply to your last post but had to step away from the computer for a short time. When I got back I saw Doug had already posted. Doug hit the nail right on the head. He's offering some excellent suggestions. What ever you do, don't stray too far from the Gyrobee plans.
Good luck and stick with it.
Adam H
12-01-2005, 10:12 AM
As you'll see on Ralph's website, the gyrobee was never meant to be a speed machine, the fastest I've had mine is about 65mph, normal cruise is around 45 or 50. It is, however, a great beginner machine, very stable and forgiving on landings. If you want to keep it an ultralight, meaning you don't need any kind of license to fly it, you can only put a 5 gallon tank on it, so, as to how far you can fly it, you're really only limited by your fuel. You can figure a little under an hour of flight time per 5 gals of gas. My bee has a 447 rotax on it, most have either a 503 or 447, as per Ralph's documentation. Attached are a few pics of my machine. Feel free to give me a call if you have more questions. (708) 912-1624
Ok, well that's final I changed my mind I am building a gyrobee, dang you guys are so helpful! Thanks everyone and I will be posting the progress on everything, where could I get the plans?
Ok, well that's final I changed my mind I am building a gyrobee, dang you guys are so helpful! Thanks everyone and I will be posting the progress on everything, where could I get the plans?
Doug Riley
12-01-2005, 02:15 PM
The plans are free at Prof. Taggart's Web site at Michigan State U. The URL is long, but just run a search on the word "gyrobee" and you'll get right to it.
Be sure you have a good printer with lots of ink and paper, since they run about 115 8 1/2 x 11 pages.
GyroRon
12-01-2005, 03:18 PM
A new Rotax 447 is right around 4 grand now with gearbox. Plus at least 300$ for new wood prop. Plus 2250$ for Sportcopter blades - no pre rotater needed. Plus 500$ for rotorhead. Plus 500$ for control stick assembly. 250$ for fuel tank and seat. 100$ for the wheels and tires. And I guess at least 1000$ for the materials to make airframe and tail?
4000
2250
500
300
500
250
100
1000 = 8900.00$ All new stuff, did I miss anything?
A new Rotax 447 is right around 4 grand now with gearbox. Plus at least 300$ for new wood prop. Plus 2250$ for Sportcopter blades - no pre rotater needed. Plus 500$ for rotorhead. Plus 500$ for control stick assembly. 250$ for fuel tank and seat. 100$ for the wheels and tires. And I guess at least 1000$ for the materials to make airframe and tail?
4000
2250
500
300
500
250
100
1000 = 8900.00$ All new stuff, did I miss anything?
Wow quite pricy. wouldnt I be better off buying the bensen in the classifieds, its brand new.
grantslayton
12-01-2005, 03:58 PM
The plans are free at Prof. Taggart's Web site at Michigan State U. The URL is long, but just run a search on the word "gyrobee" and you'll get right to it.
Be sure you have a good printer with lots of ink and paper, since they run about 115 8 1/2 x 11 pages.
Here is the site that a member of the forum has put together. It has a copy of Prof Taggart's plans on it.
http://www.skyguynca.com/gyrobee.html
Grant
Here is the site that a member of the forum has put together. It has a copy of Prof Taggart's plans on it.
http://www.skyguynca.com/gyrobee.html
Grant
ok, wow those plans are so hard to understand! Well im going to figure it out, so gyros do not have hover? Are bensen Gyros a good brand?
gyromike
12-01-2005, 04:38 PM
Jason,
For more information helicopters and gyroplanes, you can download the FAA's Rotorcraft Handbook for free here:
http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/faa-h-8083-21.pdf
There will be explanations of how they fly, and how the control systems work.
Jason,
For more information helicopters and gyroplanes, you can download the FAA's Rotorcraft Handbook for free here:
http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/faa-h-8083-21.pdf
There will be explanations of how they fly, and how the control systems work.
The link isnt working for me.
Adam H
12-01-2005, 05:15 PM
The Bensen Gyrocopter was the first small "pusher" style gyro available, and many people learned to fly in a Bensen, they didn't have much of a choice! You could start out in one, but I wouldn't recommend it. In gyros more power equals more performance, but the possibility of more problems for a new pilot. The gyrobee would be much easier to learn to fly. The price list that Ron posted for a gyrobee is accurate IF you use all new parts. I paid $1000 for my Rotax 447 and another $1000 for my used set of Bensen brand rotor blades. I agree that you should buy your rotor head, but I don't see why you couldn't make your own control set up for a lot less than $500. I also didn't spend $250 on my seat and fuel tank, more like $110. You can do it on the cheap without sacrificing safety.
The Bensen Gyrocopter was the first small "pusher" style gyro available, and many people learned to fly in a Bensen, they didn't have much of a choice! You could start out in one, but I wouldn't recommend it. In gyros more power equals more performance, but the possibility of more problems for a new pilot. The gyrobee would be much easier to learn to fly. The price list that Ron posted for a gyrobee is accurate IF you use all new parts. I paid $1000 for my Rotax 447 and another $1000 for my used set of Bensen brand rotor blades. I agree that you should buy your rotor head, but I don't see why you couldn't make your own control set up for a lot less than $500. I also didn't spend $250 on my seat and fuel tank, more like $110. You can do it on the cheap without sacrificing safety.
Ok, sounds like a plan. Well are there engines that I could always get for around 1000? and how long of a strip doesit take for a gyro to take flight?
sorry about all the questions!
Adam H
12-01-2005, 05:38 PM
Questions are why this forum exists! The best place to find good used gyro equipment would be from other gyro enthusiasts. You're local PRA chapter would be a good place to start. BUT...I think you may be getting ahead of yourself a little bit. Step one is downloading the plans and reading them over very, very carefully. Next would be ordering aluminum and aircraft grade hardware to assemble your frame. Even if you really dive in to this project, you won't need to worry about an engine or rotor blades for at least a couple of months. I wouldn't worry about that stuff right now, it will be there when you need it. Oh, by the way, you are going to need some sources for aviation stuff, hardware, brackets, etc. Your best bet would be to e-mail or call each of these companies and get their catalogues, they are free and you'll use them a lot!
http://www.leadingedge-airfoils.com/
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/
and
http://www.800-airwolf.com/
That last one will cost you something like $5, but it's worth it for all the info it contains on the Rotax engine you'll be using.
gyromike
12-01-2005, 05:59 PM
The link isnt working for me.
Jason,
The link must be broken on the FAA site.
I sent them an email about this, and when I hear back from them, I'll post the new link.
RockyMeLad
12-01-2005, 07:02 PM
Charlie Mara would be an excellent choice for an intro ride. He lives in a little town called San Manuel about an hours drive north of Tucson. Try 520-385-4485.
Questions are why this forum exists! The best place to find good used gyro equipment would be from other gyro enthusiasts. You're local PRA chapter would be a good place to start. BUT...I think you may be getting ahead of yourself a little bit. Step one is downloading the plans and reading them over very, very carefully. Next would be ordering aluminum and aircraft grade hardware to assemble your frame. Even if you really dive in to this project, you won't need to worry about an engine or rotor blades for at least a couple of months. I wouldn't worry about that stuff right now, it will be there when you need it. Oh, by the way, you are going to need some sources for aviation stuff, hardware, brackets, etc. Your best bet would be to e-mail or call each of these companies and get their catalogues, they are free and you'll use them a lot!
http://www.leadingedge-airfoils.com/
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/
and
http://www.800-airwolf.com/
That last one will cost you something like $5, but it's worth it for all the info it contains on the Rotax engine you'll be using.
Ok thanks for the links, I requested catalogs from all of them except for cps, I think they cost money.
Jason,
The link must be broken on the FAA site.
I sent them an email about this, and when I hear back from them, I'll post the new link.
Ok thank you Mike. I really appreciate all the help on this forum.
Charlie Mara would be an excellent choice for an intro ride. He lives in a little town called San Manuel about an hours drive north of Tucson. Try 520-385-4485.
Ok, I will give him a ring. Is he a friend of yours or does he own a company?
PW_Plack
12-01-2005, 07:55 PM
Jason,
I just found this thread, and commend you for listening to these guys. It's awful to see someone with limited resources get thousands of dollars into a dream, eventually to find out they've been had.
Homebuilt helicopters, even the good ones, are not for the faint of heart. It should tell you something when most used homebuilt helos for sale have under 100 hours on them.
Jason,
I just found this thread, and commend you for listening to these guys. It's awful to see someone with limited resources get thousands of dollars into a dream, eventually to find out they've been had.
Homebuilt helicopters, even the good ones, are not for the faint of heart. It should tell you something when most used homebuilt helos for sale have under 100 hours on them.
True that, now I am a believer. At first i was thinking o, this will be a piece of cake, Thank god I have talked to all of you or where would I be! :)
New Question: I noticed that on Gyros the rotorblades are tilted back I asked bannari who might I say is super helpful, anywho yea why is it tilted back not straight like a helicopter, and he wrote this:
Ha! Interesting one... the rotor disc tilts in proportion to the speed of the gyro, a phenomonen called "blowback":
The forward-travelling blade sees a higher airspeed than the retreating blade. As a consequence of this, it has a tendency to lift upwards, and the other blade descends. This teetering is self-adjusting; the vertical movement of the blades affects the angle-of-attack they experience, and hence the lift they generate.
Because the forward-travelling blade is going up, and the retreating blade is going down, the forward edge of the rotor-disc is going to be higher than the rear edge.
A gyro in a vertical descent, with no movement in any direction, has a perfectly flat disc.
Hope that helps...
I was trying to write back but it said that his mailbox has reached maximum limit or something.
My question is If it is tilted back then that is what slows the gyro down because it is kinda pushing at the same time. If the rotor was straight up then the gyro would probly go faster but be less stable? Is that controllable (the rotor blade angle)? Please write back.
-Jason
Update: Ok the project has begun! I printed out the plans. IT TOOK FOREVER! look at how thick it is! It weighs like 2-3 lbs no Joke!
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/3285/gyrobee0013ou.jpg
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1750/gyrobee0023ps.jpg
karlbamforth
12-02-2005, 09:21 AM
Hi Jason,
I'm glad you have changed your mind and decided to go with the gyrobee. You will probably live a whole lot longer. A lot of your question will be answered if you read the FAA "Rotorcraft Flying Handbook".
There are a few copies available on Ebay. Ididn't know it was available on CD but at $0.99 its got to be a good buy. Ebay item number 4595121835.
Hope this helps.
Karl.
Thanks everyone, but could someone help me with some vocabulary? What is a keel, and a cluster plate?
Heather Poe
12-02-2005, 09:59 AM
The Rotorcraft Flying Handbook link seems to be down right now, but you can often download many manuals from:
http://www.faasafety.gov/onlineresources.aspx?categoryId=47&masterId=1
The Rotorcraft Flying Handbook link seems to be down right now, but you can often download many manuals from:
http://www.faasafety.gov/onlineresources.aspx?categoryId=47&masterId=1
does that explain some of the parts involved in building the gyrobee?
gyromike
12-02-2005, 10:09 AM
Jason,
I still haven't heard back froim the FAA about downloading the Rotorcraft Flying Handbook, but here are a couple more down loads.
And they actually work.:)
The first is Advisory Circular 43.13-1B (http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument), Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices - Aircraft Inspection and Repair.
There are 14 seperate PDF files to download, but it contains a lot information on aircraft repair, construction and maintenance.
Second is Advisory Circular 90-89A (http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/ac90-89a.pdf), Amateur-built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing Handbook.
This one is geared more toward fixed-wing and ultralights, but contains some relevant information like Weight and Balance, Static and Dynamic Stability, etc. Good reading.
Jason,
I still haven't heard back froim the FAA about downloading the Rotorcraft Flying Handbook, but here are a couple more down loads.
And they actually work.:)
The first is Advisory Circular 43.13-1B (http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument), Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices - Aircraft Inspection and Repair.
There are 14 seperate PDF files to download, but it contains a lot information on aircraft repair, construction and maintenance.
Second is Advisory Circular 90-89A (http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/ac90-89a.pdf), Amateur-built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing Handbook.
This one is geared more toward fixed-wing and ultralights, but contains some relevant information like Weight and Balance, Static and Dynamic Stability, etc. Good reading.
ok thank you, I was reading through the introduction and phases 1 n 2. The plans are rather smple but complicated at the same time, I am gonna need alot of help from you guys. I am gonna order parts for phase 1 and 2, before anything else. I am going to have to go to my schoools metal shop for the drill press and band saw.
Question: Are there any fly ins I could attend where I could get a ride in a gyro in AZ anytime soon? I can be there anytime.
Doug Riley
12-02-2005, 10:53 AM
Jason: Don't be too eager to fork over your hard-earned money first thing! All those companies that sell this stuff will still be around next week, next month, next summer. They'll be just as happy to sell to you then.
See a couple of these machines up close, touch one, watch one fly, ride in one, poke around one. The drawings and instructions will make a lot more sense once you've seen a few gyros in person.
I know I was amazed when I finally saw a gyro for real after just reading and looking at pictures. I was amazed all over again the first time I saw one FLY.
Meanwhile, read Ralph Taggart's instructions over and over. Try to picture in your mind how the various phases fit together to make a complete machine. Compare the plans to the pictures of Gyrobees on-line and elsewhere. That way you'll know where you're heading as you slice-and-dice that metal.
Jason: Don't be too eager to fork over your hard-earned money first thing! All those companies that sell this stuff will still be around next week, next month, next summer. They'll be just as happy to sell to you then.
See a couple of these machines up close, touch one, watch one fly, ride in one, poke around one. The drawings and instructions will make a lot more sense once you've seen a few gyros in person.
I know I was amazed when I finally saw a gyro for real after just reading and looking at pictures. I was amazed all over again the first time I saw one FLY.
Meanwhile, read Ralph Taggart's instructions over and over. Try to picture in your mind how the various phases fit together to make a complete machine. Compare the plans to the pictures of Gyrobees on-line and elsewhere. That way you'll know where you're heading as you slice-and-dice that metal.Gotcha, I just barely finished reading phases 3-7. I understand some of it, but the pictures are somewhat hard to understand like the engine mount (phase 6) and the main gear shock struts (phase 4) what is a strut? What part is it? O and yes I want to go for a ride and see one fly, and yes Im sure I will understand them more after that but where and when could I do this?
Heather Poe
12-02-2005, 11:45 AM
does that explain some of the parts involved in building the gyrobee?
Only in the sense that it describes the general design and operation of helicopter and gyroplane components. This book is recommended for understanding how to fly these aircraft.
Only in the sense that it describes the general design and operation of helicopter and gyroplane components. This book is recommended for understanding how to fly these aircraft.
O I see, when It is up I will download it, Thank you
Adam H
12-02-2005, 01:55 PM
You seem very excited about this project, just like me when I first got into gyros! The gyrobee has two keels, there is a front keel and a rear keel. They are both pieces of 2x2 aluminum. The front keel extends out from approximately where the landing gear attaches, it supports the seat and ends with the nose wheel. The rear keel extends from the gear and ends with a tail wheel. A cluster plate is made out of aluminum plate, cluster plates sandwich other pieces together and are held tight by bolts. Kind of like if you get a sandwich and there is a toothpick inserted down through the top to hold the bun on and everything else together, the buns are the cluster plates and the toothpick is the bolt.
You seem very excited about this project, just like me when I first got into gyros! The gyrobee has two keels, there is a front keel and a rear keel. They are both pieces of 2x2 aluminum. The front keel extends out from approximately where the landing gear attaches, it supports the seat and ends with the nose wheel. The rear keel extends from the gear and ends with a tail wheel. A cluster plate is made out of aluminum plate, cluster plates sandwich other pieces together and are held tight by bolts. Kind of like if you get a sandwich and there is a toothpick inserted down through the top to hold the bun on and everything else together, the buns are the cluster plates and the toothpick is the bolt.
O I see, so thats what it is, How do you suggest I start the project?
gyroparts
12-02-2005, 03:55 PM
As far as I know, there has never been a G-1 that has successfully flew. If I remember right, no collective, and weight shift for cyclic?!!?
Are there any fly ins that I could attend antime soon? I really want to get the feel of a gyro. And another question what do you think of e machine shop?
Kevin_Richey
12-03-2005, 02:07 AM
JASON:
You've received great advice from fellow forum members.
I, like many others, have always wanted to own and fly a helicopter. Most gyro pilots feel the same. But, when we research the subject, we find the high cost of a QUALITY machine, both in purchase price and maintenance costs, we accept that a gyro can do about 90% of what a helicopter can do at about 10% of the purchase price. Ongoing maintenance of a helicopter is a major factor in costs, whereas a gyro has virtually no time-life parts.
I'm going to put forth a negative post here, and that is to warn you and others about an Arizona company that has literally "screwed" it's customers over and over again (IN MY OPINION).
Steve Beatty owns Airscrew Performance, and advertizes in various magazines (such as Kitplanes and Ultralight Flying) about his selling of Rotax engines and other Rotax parts such as reduction drives, electronic ignition conversions from points ignition, etc.
IN MY OPINION (and this has been reflected by other's posts in the past), he is one of the most rude, obnoxious, uncivil, arrogant persons I have ever done business with and I would never do business with again!!!!
Others have said his CDI conversions work fine, while other say they had problems with theirs after he did the work.
There are many other more reputable businesses to do business with than AIRSCREW PERFORMANCE! Unless you LIKE to be grossly mis-treated as a customer, I would advise you to find one of the many another flying-related businesses that treats you like a valued customer.
With all that said (and it seems a shame to mention the next item in the same posting), I have seen repeated posts here about his quality of instruction as well as what a great guy Charlie Mara of Arizona is!!!!!
I've never met the man, but think highly of him based on other's comments.
Brian Jackson
12-03-2005, 05:15 AM
Hi Jason.
I spent several weeks reviewing Ralph's GyroBee documentation before beginning construction on mine. I'm fortunate to be a professional CAD designer and built a 3D digital model of the entire 'Bee airframe just to become more familiar how its various parts go together and interact.
Regarding Vortec: avoid anything they "sell." There's a reason they "photoshopped" that little picture of the G-1 "in the air." With no collective pitch of the blades, even if you did get airborn, an engine failure of any kind is an automatic death sentence.
I think you're making a very wise decision in asking tons of questions and paying attention to what these guys are teaching you. My post-count on the forum is high, but only so because of all the questions I had at first and still do as I progress with my 'Bee.
Keep us "posted" (forgive the pun) on your venture. We're all here to help!
Cheers,
Brian Jackson
Adam H
12-03-2005, 08:30 AM
Like Jason, I was introduced to the idea of homebuilt rotorcraft through Vortech and their highly deceptive ad in Popular Science. It is only by chance and word of mouth that I found out that the PRA even existed. I'm surprised no other legitimate gyro company advertises in such a widely read magazine. Ad space must be very expensive, but I would think the interest it would generate would make it worth while. It just really bothers me that for many, Vortech is the ambassador for the world of homebuilt rotorcraft.
Adam H
12-03-2005, 08:54 AM
Check out this site: http://www.streetdreamsbyross.com/aluminum.php This is where I got my metal from, they are really nice guys to deal with. When I ordered mine, they had a few pieces pre CNC machined and made me a really good deal on the whole package. It is far from a complete kit, but with a few bolts (maybe from the hardware store to start out with) and a good couple hours, you can bolt your forward and rear keels together with your mast and have the beginnings of a real aircraft in your garage! The metal is for a Honeybee, very similar, and based on the Gyrobee, but with a slightly different suspension using flexable fiberglass axles, I think a little simpler. You can download the prints here: http://users2.ev1.net/%7Egyroman/ it's under the downloads section.
should I build the honeybee instead of the gyrobee? Is it simpler
Adam H
12-03-2005, 12:24 PM
I don't want to steer you in one direction or the other. I built the honeybee because of the deal on that aluminum from streetdreams. I'm happy with the honeybee, but there are more gyrobees out there than honeybees. As I said before, they are VERY similar, the only difference being the suspension. The gyrobee uses stretching bungee cords to provide suspension while the honeybee uses the flexing ability of fiberglass rods. Both work fine, and I've seen both fly well. If there was one reason I would build the gyrobee over the honeybee it would because of the lack of an accurate hardware list for the honeybee. There is nothing more frustrating than to be in the middle of a building session, only to come to a grinding halt because you don't have the right size bolt! There is more support for the gyrobee as well, you can order complete kits, or sub-kits from Starbee. Ultimately it's a decision you are going to have to make, some people have more time than money, some have more money than time, it all depends on your personal abilities and situation.
Kevin_Richey
12-03-2005, 12:37 PM
Attached are a few pics of my machine.
Adam: Thanks for posting your photos. I'm using the best one (the close-up of you flying over the soybean field) as the background on my desktop!
You may not remember me, but at Mentone in '03, I thanked Ralph and Don for their work on the Gyrobee and you were there along with Tom MIlton and did also.
Ok, well I figure the gyrobee is easier to build and I just finished reading through the whole documentation. I have a much better understanding of the "bee" now. Adam, should I start my project by ordering that package of metal from street dreams? Where do I begin? I want to have a ride in a gyro but where and when? I know you gave me charlies number, should I just go ahead and call him and maybe schedule a intro flight with him? Is it free? Please answer asap, and should I just start another thread in the gyrobee section because this is the welcome mat?
Kevin_Richey
12-03-2005, 12:57 PM
Where do I begin? I want to have a ride in a gyro but where and when? I know you gave me charlies number, should I just go ahead and call him and maybe schedule a intro flight with him? Is it free?
No Jason, the expenses of owning and flying a machine require $$ to defy gravity.
Charlie probably charges around the gyro instructing community average rate of $125 per hour.
That being said, I would like to donate $50 toward an hour's worth of instruction with Charlie Mara, or any other reputable gyro instructor, with the donation being sent to the instructor.
Anyone else in the Rotary Forum gyro community want to help get a mid-teen aloft to experience gyro flight??
Wait 'til he experiences vertical descents, tight cornering, and almost at a stop landings!
It could be our type of "Young Eagles" program for gyroplanes!
No Jason, the expenses of owning and flying a machine require $$ to defy gravity.
Charlie probably charges around the gyro instructing community average rate of $125 per hour.
That being said, I would like to donate $50 toward an hour's worth of instruction with Charlie Mara, or any other reputable gyro instructor, with the donation being sent to the instructor.
Anyone else in the Rotary Forum gyro community want to help get a mid-teen aloft to experience gyro flight??
Wait 'til he experiences vertical descents, tight cornering, and almost at a stop landings!
It could be our type of "Young Eagles" program for gyroplanes!
Man I'm so psyched! I don't know what to say to that! Thanks so much! What do I do? When? This is great! Right when I get into it things get even better!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :) :)
mrford61
12-03-2005, 05:40 PM
:D :D
Krew your excitement is palpable!! ( I think thats a word ). I was excactly the same when I discovered these gyrocopter things. It is all I thought about for months and I am sure "Mceagle" must have been going "not him again" every time I rang with another question. No Forums in them days.
Of course I was 30 y.o. at the time so had to contain myself a little for the sake of appearing mature. In which I failed miserably when my father caught me in the shed "flying" my newly purchased gyro, complete with engine noises and all. :D
Have Fun !
Mark Clifford - Australia
Adam H
12-03-2005, 05:48 PM
Hey Kevin, I'm sorry, but I'd be lying if I said I remembered you, I'm terrible with names, but I'm sure I would recognize you if I saw you. The next time you see me just throw something at me and tell me you're from the forum, it'll probably stick then! I'm glad you like the pic, it's my favorite too, I just wish I wasn't sporting that death glare, I was actually having a great time and really could have smiled.:)
Jason, I'm almost sure you could build the gyrobee out of the aluminum from street dreams, but just realize that you would need to buy some other metal too in order to make it work. What kind of budget are you working with initially? I see on Starbee that you can get a raw materials rolling airframe kit that includes seat, gas tank and rotor head for $1813.00 If you could swing that, it would keep you busy easily 'till spring, and you'd have everything you would need. If that's too much right away I would give Starbee a call and ask them if you could get that package without the rotor head and tank for now to save some money.
karlbamforth
12-04-2005, 02:17 AM
Hi Kevin,
If you are happy to arrange it (am in the UK) I am happy to throw in $50 for Jason's first flight too.
Hope you enjoy it Jason.
Karl
Wow things just seem to be working out for me! :eek: Thanks to Everyone! I have never been on a forum with so nice people:) ! WOw I really do not know what to say, (like litterally!) Ummm Im happy! I am working with like a 600 dollar budget. I had to sell my goped on ebay to get the money. Its cool though cuz I am going to sell my drumset too. I am going to have enough money for the rolling airframe soon. I am going to get a job at castles n coasters with my friend and all my money is going towards my gyro. I am like too happy! How do I contact you guys for my intro flight? I am really gratedful once again thanks!
-Jason
Brent_Brown
12-04-2005, 01:58 PM
Jason I am very impressed with your goals at your age. I wasted my life in high school, and for a lot of my Army time. I wish you the best and if your in Linden NC you can get so time in my gyro.
Jason I am very impressed with your goals at your age. I wasted my life in high school, and for a lot of my Army time. I wish you the best and if your in Linden NC you can get so time in my gyro.
Thanks! yea I am putting alot of my time and effort towards this, When I was like 4-5 I was always reading airplane books because I always wanted to be a pilot, so this is pretty much a dream come true.
Gyro-W
12-04-2005, 04:34 PM
I remember back 13 years ago I bought plans for a jet-tip chopper from the back of popular science. Then I seen PRA was having a convention in brookville OH. I took my plans there too see what everyone had too say about them. They said to me do you see one here, I said no. they said thats because they dont work. I was so mad I burnt the plans:mad: I joined a PRA chapter. And made another bad mistake of buying a used gyro that turned out to be trash:( IT took me 2 years to save for it. I got so depressed I sold the scrap,and gave up my love of my life. NOW 13 years latter I bought a new KB-3 kit:D I am so happy I was able to get my love back!!! Sure there are poeple out there that say I need a horizontal stablizer and center of line trust because they are safer but this is the gyro I wanted!!! They have been flying these types of gyros for 50 years! I am so gald you discovered this forum before it was way to late. Looks like you did what I did with the plans mistake. Its a hard lesson. good luck to you. And keep following your dreams:cool:
gyromike
12-04-2005, 05:30 PM
NOW 13 years latter I bought a new KB-3 kit:D I am so happy I was able to get my love back!!! Sure there are poeple out there that say I need a horizontal stablizer and center of line trust because they are safer but this is the gyro I wanted!!! They have been flying these types of gyros for 50 years!
Not to pick on you, Wade,
but the KB-3 has not been flying for 50 years. The Bensen/KB-2 has.
The KB-3 really does need an effective horizontal stabilizer and drop keel. A tall tail wouldn't hurt either.
And yes...I have flown one.
O well I am excited about flight school and I think I am gonna go ahead and read the plans for the gyrobee over again!
Kevin_Richey
12-04-2005, 10:53 PM
Hi Kevin,
If you are happy to arrange it (am in the UK) I am happy to throw in $50 for Jason's first flight too.
Hope you enjoy it Jason.
Karl
Karl: Is that 50 pounds (!) or 50 USD?
PW_Plack
12-04-2005, 11:54 PM
Kevin, obviously it's dollars.
Throw in another 50 pounds for Jason's first flight, and you'd adversely affect climb rate.
- Groan! -
Sorry...couldn't resist!
Yup I cant wait till my first gyro flight! I am trying to save money to buy stuff for phase 1-3. Expensive! Well atleast for me...Yea I got school tomorrow its 2 am gotta crash. See ya in the morning!
-Jason
Gyro-W
12-05-2005, 05:37 PM
Its ok everyone picks on me (he he). What I meant was the KB-3 is a benson style that has been flying for 50 years. (Benson style for 50 years not KB witch means the gyros that the germans towed behind the subs as scouts) I like you, you are like me. If someone does not say what they realy mean I do the same thing. The Benson and KB maybe to some people is a bad way to go but I disagree. I do not do anything the easy way. I love a challenge! It makes me who I am. I like the old way of doing things. People say the CLT and HZ stabs are the way to go because they are the safest, and I do agree, BUT the older gyros are PROVEN TO FLY so I choose to do things the hard way and I must always be hard on myself to be the best I can be!!! And yes I know what you are thinking that I dont realize but I do. I have one hell of a back ground people just cant understand. I am smarter then people think I am. The story of my life! P.S I hope I did not sound like a snob or a know it all. I just get this a lot. I think people are getting lazy because of the technological advances of man kind. I have one of the last KB-3 kits. Marie Brock is going to retire in january. Ken brock has been gone for over 4 years. They started Ken Brock mfg in 1957. So she is selling the bussiness, for a long awaited retirement. I have a peace of history I get to enjoy!!:D
Gyro-W
12-05-2005, 05:57 PM
Not to pick on you, Wade,
but the KB-3 has not been flying for 50 years. The Bensen/KB-2 has.
The KB-3 really does need an effective horizontal stabilizer and drop keel. A tall tail wouldn't hurt either.
And yes...I have flown one. It does say these types(Whitch means Bensons)
Kevin_Richey
12-05-2005, 07:39 PM
Hi Kevin,
If you are happy to arrange it (am in the UK) I am happy to throw in $50 for Jason's first flight too.
Hope you enjoy it Jason.
Karl
Karl (and Jason):
I just got off the phone with Charlie Mara. He lives in San Manuel, AZ. It is about a two hour drive from Phoenix he says.
I asked him if he would train Jason for at least an hour. He is agreeable, even though he usually trains those 16 or over, because of aircraft licensing rules. I forgot to ask what his hourly rate is...but I told him that myself, and Karl from England, each wanted to donate $50 towards Jason's instruction. So, here is his address and phone #. The phone number and address in Rotorcraft magazine are not correct.
Charlie Mara
607-3rd Ave.
San Manuel, AZ
85631
520-385-4485
He used to live in Illinois and was an instructor in the St. Louis Rotorcraft Association. He knows Greg And Steph Gremminger, being good friends with them.
He trains in a tandem Air Command, with a 100 h.p. Rotax 912 engine. It has 700 hours on it, while the airframe has 900 hours total.
Also, he is planning on using a BMW 1100 engine (he already had the motorcycle) and a gearbox from Germany (not Hirth) as his next gyro project.
When he retired, he wanted a warmer climate and chose AZ, but lives higher in elevation (around 3,500') than the Phoenix area, enjoyer slightly more moderate temps than Phoenix.
Karl (and Jason):
I just got off the phone with Charlie Mara. He lives in San Manuel, AZ. It is about a two hour drive from Phoenix he says.
I asked him if he would train Jason for at least an hour. He is agreeable, even though he usually trains those 16 or over, because of aircraft licensing rules. I forgot to ask what his hourly rate is...but I told him that myself, and Karl from England, each wanted to donate $50 towards Jason's instruction. So, here is his address and phone #. The phone number and address in Rotorcraft magazine are not correct.
Charlie Mara
607-3rd Ave.
San Manuel, AZ
85631
520-385-4485
He used to live in Illinois and was an instructor in the St. Louis Rotorcraft Association. He knows Greg And Steph Gremminger, being good friends with them.
He trains in a tandem Air Command, with a 100 h.p. Rotax 912 engine. It has 700 hours on it, while the airframe has 900 hours total.
Also, he is planning on using a BMW 1100 engine (he already had the motorcycle) and a gearbox from Germany (not Hirth) as his next gyro project.
When he retired, he wanted a warmer climate and chose AZ, but lives higher in elevation (around 3,500') than the Phoenix area, enjoyer slightly more moderate temps than Phoenix.
WOW ok, I am looking up the directions right now on mapquest:) Wow My moms really happy for me too! When Do I go? What time? Any time is great for me. Do you want me to give him a call? Or are you gonna set it up? I am gonna take ALOT of pictures! This is gonna be soooo-o fun!
Ok I got the directions on mapquest Its approximately 141.32 miles! Yea ROAD TRIP! My friend is coming too because I told him about gyros and we do EVERYTHING together so he is getting into them! Hes saving up for flight lessons right now! This is gonna be real cool! Thanks so much Kevin and Karl you guys are my new friends lol!
Kevin_Richey
12-05-2005, 09:02 PM
WOW ok, I am looking up the directions right now on mapquest:) Wow My moms really happy for me too! When Do I go? What time? Any time is great for me. Do you want me to give him a call? Or are you gonna set it up? I am gonna take ALOT of pictures! This is gonna be soooo-o fun!
You call Charlie to make an appointment.
Well, my check has to be mailed to him (tomorrow) and it'll take about 4 days to travel there. And, if Charlie is smart (which he is since he flies these gyrocopters!), he'll deposit my check and wait about 10 days for it to clear my bank, then he'll know the funds are good. Maybe I'll break down and buy a money order for .25 and send that instead.
Then, Karl's $50 has got to come all the way from the England...so, Jason, I hate to tell you, but you might have to wait a few weeks, unless you and your folks pay for the first visit's flight instruction, and use our donations sent to Charlie as funds for second trip there.
Do you have access to a video camera to record some of the flight time while Charlie has the controls? That way you can relive the experience over and over again, until you wear out the TV set watching the re-runs!
Kevin_Richey
12-05-2005, 09:11 PM
Jason: You ought to join the PRA (Popular Rotorcraft Association). You get a subscription to Rotorcraft magazine. Look up www.pra.org
Also, there is Homebuilt Rotorcraft magazine, out of Texas, for more technical info and "Blue Sky" rotorcraft ideas.
Many years ago I also have bought a few helicopter plans (Adams/Wilson Triumph motorcycle engine helicopter), like you and others who have mentioned it. I found out, just like everyone else, that if you don't see them flying at the major fly-ins, then that is your answer about what kind of aircraft it really is.
Kevin
You call Charlie to make an appointment.
Well, my check has to be mailed to him (tomorrow) and it'll take about 4 days to travel there. And, if Charlie is smart (which he is since he flies these gyrocopters!), he'll deposit my check and wait about 10 days for it to clear my bank, then he'll know the funds are good. Maybe I'll break down and buy a money order for .25 and send that instead.
Then, Karl's $50 has got to come all the way from the England...so, Jason, I hate to tell you, but you might have to wait a few weeks, unless you and your folks pay for the first visit's flight instruction, and use our donations sent to Charlie as funds for second trip there.
Do you have access to a video camera to record some of the flight time while Charlie has the controls? That way you can relive the experience over and over again, until you wear out the TV set watching the re-runs!
Ok I can wait! No Problemo! yes this will be great!:D No I dont have a video camera anymore, my house got robbed for like 10 12 grand! I think thats how much. Yea they took my camera bummer :( its ok though my mom gots a really good camera! Yea that would be cool to video tape it though, no wait my friend Randon has a video camer ok, scratch that yes I can video tape it! alright looking good!:D Should I pay for a flights lesson and then when he gets the funds come go ahead and take another lesson? I could do that. I could video tape it too and post it! I have to find out how much he charges for lessons. I will call tomorrow after school. yea I think thats what Im gonna do! THANKS KEVIN AND KARL! p.s. when I call him what should I say?
Scotty
12-06-2005, 10:01 AM
Get Charlie Mara's email address if he has one, I need to contact him direct regarding this thread. I am not where I can call him direct.
Your enthusiasm is infectious and contagious.
Scotty :cool:
Get Charlie Mara's email address if he has one, I need to contact him direct regarding this thread. I am not where I can call him direct.
Your enthusiasm is infectious and contagious.
Scotty :cool:
Ummmm I'm using my sidekick to check the thread right now so I can't give you his email directly but I can when I get home or if u need it immediately you can visit www.pra.org and look him up under instructors in Arizona. Or if he's not under there he will be at www.eea.org under intstructors in az.
-Jason
Kevin_Richey
12-07-2005, 11:47 AM
Get Charlie Mara's email address if he has one, I need to contact him direct regarding this thread. I am not where I can call him direct.
Your enthusiasm is infectious and contagious.
Scotty :cool:
flyingms@msm.com
Victor Duarte
12-07-2005, 12:23 PM
Hi Jason,
i'm reading this thread and see that you are 15 yrs old ! great !
if you are really hooked by gyros, you're just in the right place.
i can witnes that you wil find here very good advice, nice people and particularly very skilled people.
I can enshure you that i have not seen a better forum on the net.
cheers.
yes I know everyone on the formum is very helpful and I plan on building the gyro soon, it will be completed by the end of next year for sure!
Ok Im leaving for vermont on the 17th so I am trying to take my intro flght prior to my departure so when I hopefully meet with doug riley, I will have at least "some" experience on controlling a gyro lol!
Alan Coats
12-08-2005, 08:36 AM
Jason,
Here is a link to the South African Gyro Association web site. It has some definitions and terms used in the gyro world.
http://www.sagpa.co.za/Links/11/
Hope it helps,
Alan
Chuck Roberg
12-08-2005, 09:25 AM
Jason, don't know if it's been suggested yet or not. I would highly recommend you get a copy of the FAA's "Rotary Flying Handbook". It can be ordered from Amazon.com for about $15-$17.
You can also download it for free from the FAA website. Problem is, the FAA restructured it's entire website and my link no longer works. You would think when they change all the links, they would at least keep the old links active for a while with a pointer to the new links.
It's quite large, over 100 pages, so you might be better ordering it anyway.
Is there any place I might even be able to get free copy of the handbook? My madres going through some money problems cuz of sending me to vt and my siter and all...
gm276
12-08-2005, 10:04 AM
Would this be it?
Scroll down the page.
http://www.prachapter34.com/toppage9.htm
Best of luck Don B
karlbamforth
12-08-2005, 10:05 AM
Jason there is a copy for sale on Ebay 4596368327 for about $5 and its in AZ.
Karl.
karlbamforth
12-08-2005, 10:08 AM
GM276 you beat me to it.
Yep that link works fine.
Karl.
Ok thanks, I will download it when I get home from school, thanks!
Chuck Roberg
12-08-2005, 12:49 PM
Would this be it?
Scroll down the page.
http://www.prachapter34.com/toppage9.htm
Best of luck Don B
Don B, you got it. Now I'll save it to my favorites.
Thanks im going to read it over tonight, Im happy because I get to go to charlies soon for a light and then i am going to vermont and if I meet doug I will get another flight for only 35-40 dollars! yea!
Heather Poe
12-11-2005, 02:56 PM
The Rotorcraft Flying Handbook link seems to be down right now, but you can often download many manuals from:
http://www.faasafety.gov/onlineresources.aspx?categoryId=47&masterId=1
Jason,
Also try:
http://www.prachapter34.com/toppage4.htm
Heather
Kevin_Richey
12-12-2005, 12:08 AM
... Im happy because I get to go to charlies soon for a light and then i am going to vermont and if I meet doug I will get another flight for only 35-40 dollars! yea!
Jason:
Would that be a "flight" at Charlie's?
When you do the flight instruction thing, how about giving all of us a detailed report on your experiences?
O yea of course! I am gonna video tape it and I will mail it to you and karl! Its gonna be VHS though because I don't know how to make dvds and I don't have a burner.
Jason:
Would that be a "flight" at Charlie's?
When you do the flight instruction thing, how about giving all of us a detailed report on your experiences?
O, no that is dougs! well just for a quick flight though., and maybe lunch! if hes not busy. i am gonna try and call charlie now i will post agian in like 5 minutes
Kevin_Richey
12-12-2005, 09:10 PM
Dave Seace, a BFI in Florida, learned to fly a gyro as a teenager before he was legal to drive! This was told to me by Ernie Boyette.
It probably helped to live by Ernie, though!
Dave Seace, a BFI in Florida, learned to fly a gyro as a teenager before he was legal to drive! This was told to me by Ernie Boyette.
It probably helped to live by Ernie, though!
I tried to call charlie and it was busy, I didnt call back, I will first thing tomorrow. I went to the post office today and the check has yet to arrive from karl, it should be here anytime though! Its coming a LONG way! I am not sure if charlie has recieved the check from you yet, kevin, I will find out tomorrow though When I call him. Well I am excited because of flight training and then the day after I am going to vermont where I will then take flight training from doug riley hopefully if he is not busy! Ok well write back kevin!
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