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Aussie_Paul
11-04-2005, 02:50 AM
....why???

I will give it an IMHO go at it.

There has been a continual stream of discussions as to what we need to do, to have our sport and/or industry thrive. It seems to me, from comments around the world, that the major drawback is the lack of dual training.

If the lack of dual training is the main reason, WHY!!!

We seem to have people who start out instucting, but eventually give it away.

Again, WHY!!!

I have accumulated over 3000 hours teaching people to fly gyroplanes since I started in 1989 when I was 40 years old. I know now that I would not be able to continue as I did in 1989.

Again WHY!!! S**T SCARED OF DYING!!!!!!! That’s why.

I started with a side-by-side Air Command that had a Rotax 532, a 60” prop and 25’ Skywheel rotors. My first student, a fixed wing pilot and friend, porpoised up and down the runway that we were conducting strip runs on. I had seen a pic of an A/Command with a pod and an h/stab. I guessed the size and mounting, and my friend flew so much better. That machine was so under powered and under rotored, that strip runs were all we could do safely. Over the next couple of years I changed to 27’ rotors, a dual ignition 582 and installed the “supper thruster kit” that had a 68” propeller. Performance was now acceptable.

I trained for over 1500 hours in that machine and remember how I had to be “on the ball” all the time to stop a PIO developing into a PPO and me dying. Forget the student!!! Me dying!!!My only reason for doing this was to stop people from dying in gyroplanes. This was ruining respect for me because of my "recreational activities", and I hated to see people dying when training would help. I did not like the way people looked at me when I said I flew a gyroplane. The amount of hours I spent away from the family certainly could not be justified by the profit!!!!!!

By the time I reached the age of 48 in 1997 my chest was saying no more, please no more. It was at this time I decided that I would get soft and go for a machine with a cabin, hence the Raf representative status.

Even though I had flown fixed wing aircraft in the 60’s and had studied and passed the commercial theory exams in aerodynamics, I did not realise that my gyroplane should behave the same. I was under the mis understanding that my gyro was more like a helicopter than a fixed wing aircraft.

Where am I going with this?



Ok.
Most people have conducting training in gyroplanes with varying degrees of “pitch instability”. This is quite likely to have a subconscious effect on the instructor. The deep down fear of dying could influence the instructor to give the game away.

Now this is not to say that it happens to all instructors but I feel that it does play a major role. There are not that many instructors who continue to instruct in gyros for a lot of years.

I believe that if I had not sorted out the stability issues, I would probably have stopped training. It was becoming too hard on my nerves, and the thought that getting older and a little slower might cost me my life was not appealing.

With the machine that I am training in now, there is NEVER the feeling that “if you don’t catch it you’re gone”. That makes life instructing in gyroplanes much more enjoyable. Gyroplane instructing can now be conducted in the same manner as in general aviation and ultra lights.

I believe, whether rightly or wrongly, that the gyroplane industry will see an increase in people instructing as gyroplanes are designed and built to be more pitch stable. I hope that this will be the case, as us gyroplane pilots definitely need the gyroplane industry to grow and become more socially acceptable.
Also, I want to sell gyroplanes, and I don’t apologise for that, but the real reason is, I love gyroplanes and dislike seeing people who fly these wonderful machines called “temporary people”.

I believe that, with the new breed of gyroplane designers, instructors, and pilots, our recreational activity of flying gyroplanes will become much more socially acceptable. I hope so.

This is written from the memories I have of being involved in the gyroplane industry since 1961 when I flew a gyro glider at the age of 12, powered gyros since 1982, and instructing since 1989.

I may be way off course, but I put this forward as a possible scenario.

Regards, Aussie Paul. :)

jdalexa
11-04-2005, 09:19 AM
Here in the states, the problems seem to be circular in nature

Not many gyros so not a lot of instructors
Not many instructors, so not a lot of gyros

In the fixed wing world, one can easily get a CFI and not really need to have ones own aircraft. In the gyro world, you really need to have your own 2-seater to be effective.

I'm facing this problem. I intend to get my CFI during next year, but I'm not sure how I'm gonna come up with a 2-seat machine.

The insurance thing (or lack thereof) is huge. Before I start instructing, I'll have to satisfy the wife that our assets are reasonably protected.

Then, of course, the Dept of Hopeless Stupidity makes things as difficult as they can.

Heron
11-04-2005, 09:31 AM
MOney perhaps?
. . .and Paul, I love you so drop the IMHO crap, we are not humble, I am ridiculously arrogant. Iam also extremely handsome and intelligent and . . . . (yeah right) :)
It is coming with better machines and marketing strategies so you instructors hang in there for more company.
Thanks
Heron

Harry_S.
11-04-2005, 11:51 AM
A very good post Paul and a post that all gyro instructors do appreciate, I believe. I don't instruct anymore but I can see your point.


Cheers :)

OzyRuss
11-04-2005, 12:57 PM
I've said for years, that instructors should be paying the student :eek:

"WHAT the hell is he on abowt" I can hear you all saying.......

Students can get my gyro into attitudes,can attempted to nose dive me sub terrainianly, can slide me at 60 degrees down, can wash off all airspeed at 20 feet above the ground whilst then putting us sideways to the runway, can pull off power at the end of the runway with 100 foot trees rite ahead,,,,,,,and on and on and on

Me the instructor........then has to sort all this out, sometimes with the student having a vice like grip on the controls,pedals, wat ever

NEVER ina million years could I put a gyro into these positions, but a student can

So thankyou all you students......you are making me a better pilot.....

As I said before........"we should be payin them for OUR training" ...... :D

Aussie_Paul
11-04-2005, 01:14 PM
MOney perhaps?
. . .and Paul, I love you so drop the IMHO crap, we are not humble, I am ridiculously arrogant. Iam also extremely handsome and intelligent and . . . . (yeah right) :)
It is coming with better machines and marketing strategies so you instructors hang in there for more company.
Thanks
Heron

....IMHO was "In My Honest Opinion" !!!

I am certainly more humble after the last 18 months!!!!!!!!!!! :o lol

Aussie Paul. :)

Robert G. Stark
11-04-2005, 06:27 PM
I am 74 and learning to fly gyros, I am CFI airplane and glider and soon at least at sport pilot level gyro. Later for Commercial and full CFI gyro. I am having a ball.
Bob Stark

PW_Plack
11-05-2005, 10:35 AM
Many complain. Few step up with their wallets and actually train. There aren't more gyro CFIs here in the states because demand is still low.

rehler
11-05-2005, 01:54 PM
My brother (in Texas) sold his gyro to a man in California. The buyer was here today to pick up his gyro and stopped by to "talk gyros". During his 1 hour visit he asked me 4 times "do you think it would be ok if I taught myself to fly". 4 times I told him that he needed to take lessons and explained why I thought so.

It was clear that he didn't want to take lessons. He is a fixed wing pilot and used to be a flight instructor. He said he was going to go to Buckeye and get 1 hour of training in a Sparrowhawk, then he could go from there on his own. Again for the 5th time I said he needed to take lessons - more than 1 hour of training.

Like many pilots I am afraid he is too "proud" to do the right thing.

No mater how much it costs and how far you have to drive it is best for a new "to be" gyro pilot to take lessons!

pwendell
11-05-2005, 05:40 PM
Ken,

At least you can be sure that both Terry and Steve in Buckeye will make it very clear to him how much training they believe he requires in order to safely fly a gyroplane solo. Hopefully, he will be convinced by pilots and instructors who are more experienced than him to set aside his pride (and maybe his cheapness) and get the training he needs.

Aussie_Paul
11-05-2005, 08:35 PM
I've said for years, that instructors should be paying the student :eek:

As I said before........"we should be payin them for OUR training" ...... :D

......I will be up next week for my mustering training. I will only charge you the small amount of US$150 per hour. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Aussie Paul. :)

OzyRuss
11-06-2005, 01:46 AM
Geeeeeez..........ahhhhhhhh........shyte.....quick russ, think of sumin here.

sorry paul.....luv to..............gone fishing

phew....

Aussie_Paul
11-06-2005, 02:31 AM
By geez Russ, you are a quick thinker. Bugger!!!

Aussie Paul. :)

OzyRuss
11-06-2005, 11:19 PM
:D :D .......phew