Suzuki conversion

[PTKay]

Gentelmen,

this is the page of the Polish manufacturer of UL, making a professional Suzuki conversions.

The pics above are from this page, just have a look....

http://www.bilsamaviation.com/engine.htm

see also their home page for general opinion on the company. (Never mind the English... as long as it is understandable.)

http://www.bilsamaviation.com

Their enclosed trike looks like ready gyro cabin.



PTKay

[Chuck Irby]

Hello again Paul,

Thank you for the post. They did a beautiful job with the Suzuki 3 cylinder engine. I went to their web site and was impressed. My only complaint is that they have evidently raised the compression to a point that each HP version requires 98 octane gasoline. That's not a desirable requirement in the US.

We are limited to 93 octane here, unless we go to Avgas, and it is much more expensive. To me, one of the big advantages in using a four stroke auto engine, in addition to the reliability, is the fact that they only require pump gas instead of avgas.

[PTKay]

Hi Chuck,

in Poland the only car gas we have is 95 an 98 unleaded.
Funny enough, beacause in Germany they still have 92.

I was in US some time ago (last year) and was shocked to
see 78 gas still available (the last time I saw it here was 15 years ago).

Nevertheless, the conversions they make are custom, so it is up to you,
if you need little more power with expensive gas, or you are ok with
standard Suzuki parameters. In any case their carbon sump and manifold
gives a great power to weight ratio even in std config.

PTKay

[Chuck Irby]

Paul,

I hope you meant that you saw 87 octain in the US, surely not 78.

As for the conversions, if it's not too much trouble, find out what all necessary components, except for the engine itself, would cost delivered to the US. I haven't checked, but it seems that we should be able to find the engines here.

Thanks Paul

[PTKay]

Chuck, you are right 87. PTKey (just mistipped)

[Chuck Irby]

Paul, don't forget my earlier request:
As for the conversions, if it's not too much trouble, find out what all necessary components, except for the engine itself, would cost delivered to the US. I haven't checked, but it seems that we should be able to find the engines here.

[PTKay]

Chuck,

I think Brent Brown tries to become their agent for US.

Try to contact him, I don't want to mix into his business.

PTKay

[Chuck Irby]

Hello Paul,

Thanks for the reply. I appreciate the info.

[Chuck Irby]

I thought Brent Brown was a forum member, but I couldn't find him.

Does anyone know his email address?

Thanks, you all.

[Brent_Brown]

Chuck;
I am a member here and I ask Dennis about the selling just the parts as a kit motor or the PSRU. He has yet to reply. I don't think that is what he has in mind. If someone puts the package together wrong it will be a black eye for him. So I don't think we will see that as an opption. IF his reply is that they will sell parts from the motor I will get with you ASAP.
Brent Brown

[Chuck Irby]

Thanx for your reply Brent. I thought you were a member, but when I entered your name under "Search", nothing came up.

[Brent_Brown]

Right now I can get a lower compression motor to run on our pump gas. The 2.58 to 1 gearbox is 1500 Euro + sh.
1.22 to 1 today + 1830 and SH. your looking at 2000 US to get it here I guess.

No word on the other parts - the long block and the box is prop above the crank only for now.

Brent

[Chuck Irby]

Brent,

Thanx for the added info. What vehicles did these engines come in. Maybe I could find one locally (Or did you nean you could get one from Poland?).

Their gear box looks great to me. Are you of the same opinion?

[Brent_Brown]

I can get the motor as seen in the photo, or you can find one. Suzuki sidekick for the 1600cc and GEO netro for the 1000 cc a samuari had a 1300cc. Befire you order made sure we can get A gearbox to fit it. The motors are call G10 for the 1000cc G13 for a 1300cc and 1600 a add b one is a 8valve and one is 16 valve. I know they have one to fit the 1600cc 16V that is the one I'm getting.
Yes the gearbox looks good but I want one that has the prop under the crank for the pusher gyro to help with thee VCG. I am working on that now.
Brent

[Chuck Irby]

Thanx again Brent, I'll get back to you on this.

[quadrirotor]

Did you think at the Suzuki Aerio engine?

[mceagle]

Andre,
That looks identical to the 660cc 3 cylinder that we are clocking up time on, except with one more cylinder. Do you know what the capacity and what horsepower it is.

Tim McClure

[quadrirotor]

Very light and powerfull!!!!!!
2300cc. 16S. 2HC.
155hp. at 5400rpm
152lb.ft at 3000rpm!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chuck Irby]

Hello again Brent,

Do you know what the HP is for the 4 cyl engine used in a 95 Metro? I have one with only 40 odd thousand miles. I found info on the Internet that stated that it was 70 HP. It runs out so well that I don't believe that.

If it has 100 hp or more, then I would be interested in conversion parts, if available. What would we have to do for a prerotator?

[Brent_Brown]

what is the metor a 1300cc or 1600cc the 1300 would be about 70 and the 1600 8V 80 16V 95 depending on TB or FI.

[Chuck Irby]

I'm sorry Brent, I modified my last post before I saw your response. I'll get an answer to your question and get back to you.

Thanks a lot,

[Chuck Irby]

Brent, I'm dissapointed in that it is the 1300.

[Brent_Brown]

I will post a off road web site that claim to get 20% more HP with big carbs and like 8% more with a pipe. I would guess 80 to 85 HPcan be made without hurting the motor that 1300cc nothing bad about that. You can run a rotator off the back of the motor with the water puimp and Altinator and more back there you can fing something that spins around.
Brent

[Chuck Irby]

Thanx Brent, but I'm going back to the drawing board, at least for a while.

[Brent_Brown]

http://www.northcoastoffroad.com/samurai/samuraiengine.htm
Here is a good web site for headers and carbs for that 1300cc motor. Do you have the ECU for this motor or is it a longblock. Where do you live? What would you take for it, if someone wanted to use it on his gyro?
Brent

[Chuck Irby]

Hey Brent, I have the whole car and it still runs. I hit a deer with it and parked it behind my barn and it's been there for over three years now and looks like #*#@ crap. If I aired up the tires and charged up the battery, I could drive it to Alaska and back (well, I might have to clean the glass also).