View Full Version : How model dependent is training?
05-05-2005, 06:15 PM
I'm in the process of buying a single place Dominator project, and I'm looking for training. I'm a fixed wing guy, with a private license, so as I understand it, I don't actually need an official gyro rating to fly the Dominator. I've got a couple hours of dual with Dofin Fritz in an RAF-2000 from a couple years ago, but no other gyro time.
How important is it to train in the same model gyro that you plan to fly? I'm sure the ideal situation would be to train in a two place Dominator, but I haven't found anyone close to home that has anything like that available. I was quite satisfied with Dofin as an instructor, but he uses the RAF-2000 for dual. While it's quite nice, it doesn't seem that similar to the Dominator.
If you don't think it's a good idea to do all my training in the RAF-2000, how about if I do most of the basics, then take a trip somewhere for some time in type as it were. At least that would allow me to get the time I need in the two place Dominator without having to be out of town for too long.
Rusty (the wacky rotary engine guy)
05-05-2005, 07:18 PM
Look on the PRA web site and find some one that lives close to you and get some practical ground school training from him. He will be able to prepare you mentally. He may also be able to help you with your project. A second eye is a great help. Put your project together and bring it to your trainer. Tell him to give it back to you when he feels your ready to practice.
Practice means running your craft up and down the run way getting the feel of the balance on your main's. Then crow hopping trains you to land in cornering and cross winds. Some pilots say you don't need this kind of action. I say it helps you understand the feel of your machine and gives you the opportunity to learn how to make pilot corrections in landing when your at a safe distance from the ground. Note: Having perfect landings all the time will not get your ready for some rough (out of no where) ground effect, so think about the crow hopping. Flying the length of the run way and landing is the next move you want to master. Don't skip a step. Happy training my friend. BOB
05-05-2005, 07:23 PM
Rusty, you need to train with David Seace. He flys a tandem Dominator and he is in Florida and the best part is his instruction rates are the lowest you will find anywhere. He has been flying gyros a long time and is a great guy and good instructor. Why would you want to go to anyone else?
A gyro is a gyro and as long as your not going to a harder to fly - less stable - gyro than what you trained in you should be okay. So going from the RAF to the Dominator should be a walk in the park. BUT.... the Dominator is a special machine in that the steering can be hard to master at first and it is so tall it would not be as tolerant of a bad sideways landing. So I would suggest if it is possible to get at least some of the training in a Dominator if possible.
05-06-2005, 05:20 AM
Thanks for the replies. I'll check the PRA site for closer instructors, but Dofin was the only one around the last time I checked. Wachula is about an 8 hour drive from where I live (Florida is a big state), so David isn't a convenient option.
Fortunately, it sounds like there won't be any problem with doing at least most of my training with Dofin, then perhaps getting some time with David Seace if I feel it's necessary. I'll probably end up giving Dofin a call, and talking to him about all this. He used to have some other gyros around as well, so perhaps he can give instruction in something else. I guess I won't know until I call.
05-06-2005, 05:54 AM
one more thing to consider Rusty, is in a unstable gyro, it may take up to twice as long to learn the fundamentals of gyro flight than in a Stable gyro. so in other words, even though it may be closer to go to Dofin, you will very likely end up with possibly double the needed training hours and at a much higher hourly rate than you would have with David. 8 hour drive sucks, but take 3 days off work, leave early one morning and you get a full day and a half with david, enough to most likely be done with your training. Or go spend twice the amount with Dofin?
05-06-2005, 06:05 AM
Rusty, here's yet another possibility to beef up your hours with useful experience: Take some lessons in a light (preferably taildragger*) FW plane or FW ultralight. A Dominator flies quite a bit like a FW ultralight. In some ways, a single-place Dom. feels MORE like a FW UL than it does like the 2-place Dominator! Such training isn't a complete substitute for gyro training, but it's helpful -- and it doesn't waste as much of your time needlessly mastering the art of flying an unstable machine, as Ron rightly points out.
You'd still need some gyro time to learn rotor handling, the power curve, crosswind technique and a few other gyro-specific items. Don't skip over that part!
*The Dominator ground-steers kinda like a taildragger.
05-06-2005, 06:12 AM
I've flown a couple hours with Dofin in the past, and I was pretty comfortable after just that amount of time. If that was what you're calling unstable, then the Dominator will indeed be cake. I am aware of the potential hazards of non-CLT gyros, and have no interest in owning one. For training purposes though, I have no fear of being in the RAF with Dofin.
One other thing I though about- Mike mentioned that David isn't a CFI, so I can't log the time as dual. I'm pretty sure that Dofin is a CFI, and it would be nice to log the time, even though I don't intend to get the rating right now. If I ever decide to, it will be nice to already have logged dual that would count.
As for cheaper rates, the hotel bills would more than make up for that.
05-06-2005, 06:27 AM
Rusty, here's yet another possibility to beef up your hours with useful experience: Take some lessons in a light (preferably taildragger*) FW plane or FW ultralight. A Dominator flies quite a bit like a FW ultralight.
That's an interesting comment. I built and flew a Kolb Slingshot for about a year, so I'm pretty comfortable with light taildraggers. Most of my other time is in an RV-8, and now an RV-3.
Funny thing is that I have another Slingshot airframe, and also purchases a Dominator project. Both of these will get a single rotor Mazda engine, but I'm having a really hard time deciding which to do first. At the moment, I think the Dominator is in the lead.
05-06-2005, 06:48 AM
Okay that is your call Rusty.... David is in Ernies backyard, so I figured it would be fun for you to visit with Ernie and see the Dominator factory while you were training etc....
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