whats required to get gyro CFI add on.

[animal]

My business partner is a helicopter C.F.I., what would be required for him to get a gyro CFI add on to his rateing and how would he go about it if he decided to go that route. he has asked me about finding out.as he has shown an intrest in use getting a trainer.
so who would he need to contact if he does decide to do this.
I am thinking the way gyros are finely comeing into their own it would be a good time for him to look into this.

[Caribean_gyro]

Mi take is that since he is rotorcraft CFI the only thing he needs is th 3 hours prior to the check ride and a check ride.

ChuckP

[Harry_S.]

My opinion Chuck...just because he is a helo CFI...just 3 hrs. in a gyroplane would no where near make him proficient enough... to be a gyroplane CFI. :(

Maybe not even proficient enough to solo. The gyroplane is a different beast. Conversely...a gyro CFI could not become a helo CFI with 3 hours in a helo, IMO.


Cheers.

[KenSandyEggo]

I think the flying time is determined by the respective CFI. He determines subjectively when you're competent enough to get signed off. I forget about the paperwork or oral.

[Caribean_gyro]

I know he will not be profecient. but since he is rotorcraft , he dont need transition trainning as per the FAR. so just an endorsement .
Same with gyro to Heli. Now if you are checking out in an R22 this animal has his own special rules. I will check my boks today at the hangar and come back with more specific.
chuck

[Harry_S.]

Chuck: My point is...as a newcomer to gyro's; would you seek out a gyroplane CFI who is not even proficient in controling the craft. The CFI has to be capable of regaining control after the student has *stuffed* up. I would expect my CFI to be exceptionally proficient in all manner to what I want to learn.

Seasoned veteran CFI's could have you sit in wide eyed wonder :eek: while they relate some exciting happenings.

I recall an incident when I was training in helo's...it wasn't my fart, it was mechanical...I was at the controls in S/L and the CFI was sightseeing. I casually informed him what the problem was...he took the conrols and we made an uneventful emergency run on landing. If he was not onboard...I may have stuffed it. To me that's proficiency. ;)


Cheers :)

[ScottTinnesand]

Hey Guys,

Be careful giving out wrong information!!

First and foremost, this person would first need a Commercial Rotorcraft Gyroplane rating! You can not apply for a CFI if you don't have the commercial. There is no minimum hour requirement for flight time, but to have the skills to pass a commercial checkride with an examiner is going to be more than 3 hours! Don't forget the gyroplane aerodynamics that they have to learn too.

Secondly, the answer for the CFI is written in FAR 61.181 and 61.191. In short, this person would need to:

Receive the CFI ground training and endorsement from a CFI,
Receive the CFI flight training and endorsement from a CFI,
Pass the 25 question FAA written knowledge test,
Log at least 15 hours of pilot in command in gyroplanes,
Pass the oral and flight Practical Test with an examiner.

So, let's say that this person gets his commercial gyroplane license with 15 hours of dual instruction. Now, he must fly another 15 hours to get the pilot in command time to apply for the CFI. AND, this would only work if this person was a great stick and picked up the gyros very fast.

I've done the training for many people in this exact situation. Believe me, it is no simple task.

Animal, have your friend contact me if he wants to discuss this. Not knowing anything else, I would say that a shot in the dark would be 15-20 hours of ground instruction, 20+ hours of flight instruction, and 15 hours of solo to get to the commercial and CFI level.

All questions and responses welcome. Fly safe.

Scott

[KenSandyEggo]

Scott, I thought I was told that if you have a commercial F-W ticket, you don't need to get a gyro commercial ticket.....a commercial is a commercial. Did I hear wrong?

[ScottTinnesand]

Hi Ken,

Yup, you heard wrong. The quick and dirty answer is found in 2 different places in the regs.

61.183(c) says that you must hold either a commercial pilot certificate or airline transport pilot certificate with an aircraft category and class rating appropriate to the flight instructor rating sought. (Commercial Rotorcraft Gyroplane)

61.191 says that a person who applies for an additional flight instructor rating must meet the eligibility requirements of 61.183.

The nice thing about the added category rating is that you don't need to take another FAA Written Examination to add a recreational, private or commercial rating. But you still must log the required flight time and such.

The great thing about an added class rating is that you don't have to take a written and there is no minimum flight time required.

The added category and class rating regulations do not apply to a flight instructor rating.

Scott

[KenSandyEggo]

Got it. Thanks, Scott. I guess having the f-w ratings just makes it easier.

[Harry_S.]

Thanks Scott; I'm not up on reg's anymore but 3 hrs. wasn't even in the ballpark.

I had a thought afterwards, that maybe Chuck had reference to the PRA 5209H Exemption...of which I know even less. ;)


Cheers :)

[Rotornut]

Harry it was so Good to see you at Bensen Days you take care and Thanks again for making it down. MJ :)

[Harry_S.]

Thank you MJ...I appreciate your kind words. I also want to thank You , Catfish and your whole crew, for once again providing all the features of 2005 Bensen Days. :cool: ;) :D

God Bless.


Cheers :)