Suzuki 1200 engine : tech data needed

[Victor Duarte]

Hi
i know some like scott fitted a suzuki engine for their gyro.
I also readed good comments about that fitting and have a (quite) complete process to make it "aircraftable".

I can't find a complete data sheet about this engine, including weight,dimensions, attachs, etc

the engine is a suzuki 4 cyl 1200 100 hp "bandit" series

Has some moto fan this kind of data sheet please ?

Thanks a lot in advance.

[scottessex]

The only problem with the motorcycle type engines is that the transmisssion is part of the engine and is not removeable. This is alot of xtra weight you don't need.

[Victor Duarte]

Scott, yes i suppose you're right.. and a 1200 is heavier than a 600..
that is what i try to find out if the extra weight is worth the work.
if i could really know the bare weight of the engine... 100 hp, it is worth investigate.

look, sorry, it is in french but there are some pics.. (you can try an online translator also)
http://www.foxpapa.com/article.php3?id_article=115

the problem is that i won't have 20000 $ for a 912, i tried to see all the rotax snowmobile engines, they are not cheap and not so suitable..
I know a gyro is expensive, but i must try it... i can buy a suzuk for about 700 $ plus 1500 to rebuild it correctly..

how is your engine working ?
thanks

[skyguynca]

try the suzuki/geo metro engines. The 1.3L will give you the power you need and they are cheap. I have two 1.0L I got for $355 each from a JDM dealer, 6month warranty and each one has less than 40,000miles and 1 1.3L I paid $485 from the same dealer. Raven Redives is where I got my reduction units and the conversion book. Raven says the 1.3L is a driect replacement as weight and hp go for the 912. Guys have been flying these on trikes for awhile and I have talked with 8 people personally who are using them in airplanes and love them so I am putting a 1.0L on a 3DRV I am starting on this week and the 1.3L turbo geo or maybe a 2.2L snoob on the 2 place. The geo is lighter and the 118hp so I may use it because the snoob is a bit heavier.

[Victor Duarte]

Thanks david, you did good to recall me that.
have you a kind of tech sheet ?
they look interesting indeed, i am going to investigate this in europe .
BTW i dont need a redrive, cause the reduction willoccur on the shaft transmissions..
If you have any info (dimensions, weight) i promise to pay you a beer one day..;) (scott also :D)
thanks

[Brent_Brown]

the rotax 670 is 100 hp and I should have mine this week complete 0 time with E box and pipe for 4300. you would be hard to do better.

[Victor Duarte]

Brent : what is this engine ? how much does it weight ?
i searched the rotax engines but didnt find it..
http://www.rotax.com/fr/Engine/2004/Snowmobile/Engine.Models.htm
i was also thinking in the 1004, but i wonder if a twin wont generate too much vibes. but they have a "dry carter" lubrification.
if you can say more ..thanks in advance

[Brent_Brown]

It is ready a bigger 618 used in snowsleds. 1992- 94 I think are the years. No gear box on the motor would be about 100 pounds. you acn still get new parts for it. Go to
http://www.rdaerosports.com/ and see it.

[Victor Duarte]

Thanks brent, nice link, bookmarked.. i will be curious about it's reliability.
i was for a 4 stoke but, it also looks interesting... 100 lbs, perfect, the price is also nice.

well , gents great thanks for your informations and help, i have to find the drawings with dimensions to figure how they must be mounted..

cheers

[Mike Hook]

Victor
Take a look at these motors.

http://www.hog-air.com/dealers_page.htm

(The engine in our plane is the new Harley-Davidson® twin cam balanced 88ci. It produces 82hp with 92 ft lbs of torque in our configuration. With the new cams and exhaust the 95ci. is now 108hp with 114ft. lbs of torque. The weight of the engine package ready to install is 211 lbs.
That includes ignition, oil tank, engine mounts and bolts, short exhaust pipes, starter, carb & air cleaner, with complete drive system ready to mount your prop.
Please contact us for dealer information. )

Mike

[Victor Duarte]

Thanks mike for the information,
i think i will have a look at the tc88 indeed, 211 lbs may be a little too heavy, my gyro empty weight must not exeed 300-350 lbs in order to match the UL specs..
but i a very curious , it has a huge torque ! did you fly the zodiac ? is it a reliable engine ?
thank you

[Mike Hook]

Victor
I have never flown this engine but I know that it has a long stroke and that is what make so much torque. I just talked to my Nephew and he told me that they make a fuel injecton and tubo for this motor now in the motorcycles. I bet a lot of the Harley people in her has information on these motors.

Mike

[Victor Duarte]

Oh yes i bet too !
screaming eagles uh ? ;)
thanks Mike