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Screw
01-03-2004, 06:43 PM
Yall aint gonna believe this.

I spoke to Ron A. aka Gyro Ron last week or so about him wanting a beater car for for really dirt cheap.

He said he wanted something in a torbo diesel because they last forever. I agreed with him and began looking. Knowing that whatever I find, if he didn't want it, I could sell it. I'm just stating for the record that at No Time did Ron tell me to go buy him a car.

I found one ;D A 1987 Meredes Benz 300 Turbo Diesel for cheap, not dirt cheap but cheap for the car, years, and 204k miles....Advertised to run good the works and the body was in reasonable shape. Contacted the seller and requested specific pics to make sure everything was all right. The catch:

The car is in Chicago, IL. Best I could do on a transport was $700. So I said to myself: Self, this is a turbo diesel...Ron says they run forever. An Airtran ticket to Chicago was $100. Take the wife and make a "Road Trip" of it since good ole Mon-In-Law was in town and could baby-sit. We'll fly to Chicago, pick up the car, eat dinner in Cincinatti, and drive, drive, drive. If things went well, $200 for tickets plus diesel fuel and meals. Alot less than $700 bucks right?

We fly up, everything is well, I asked the guy (dealer) about his inspections prior to placing vehicles for sale and was satisfied. So satisfied with his checklist that I recieved a copy and off to the paperwork and transfer of title. Within 15 minutes, my wife and I were on our "Road Trip."

Within an hour of ownership at 80mph on I57s about 2 miles (I had my Garmin III Pilot ;D) outside of Bradley IL. my oil light came first, and a second later, the car felt like it began braking. I quickly shifted into neutral, and listen to to the engine sounding like it was running fine. I don't know what it was and the oil light turned off, so I shifted back into "D." I get the feeling that was a mistake.

The car did something similar to a Cat coughing up a hairball. I looked in my rearview mirror, and the car was smoking the prettiest and heaviest white smoke I think I'd ever seen. Sean Tucker would have loved to have that kinda smoke comming from his plane.

I pulled over and opened the hood to find that the oil stick was partially out of it, tube and there was oil everywhere. The engine didn't lock up and we were able to make it to Bradley and park it safely.

I called the dealer and to make a 20 min phone call short, "AS IS. Best of luck to ya."

$100 dollar cab fair back to the airport we came in on. $426 for last minute airfare back to Atlanta on Delta, the last flight of the night. Remember, $200 airfair to get there in the first place...I'm already $700 bucks in on top of what I paid for the car and now, the best transport I could fing is closer to $850.

$1550 on top of what I paid for the car when I should have had it transported for $700 to begin with. And now, I got to fix it!!!

My Mechanic says, "I'll look at it, but it don't sound good...I hope it just a clogged fuel injector. It'll cost and arm and a leg to rebuild it if I threw a rod, but maybe I could find a used engine and swap it out."

I haven't recieved the car yet, so I don't know what's wrong with the motor yet. When I find out, and decide to swap motors, I sell this one for dirt cheap.

Maybe Brent Brown will have an aerial application for a MB Turbo Diesel in a gyro.

Ron, I tried man. I really tried.

John-

P.S. Barbi and I took the last flight to Atlanta by way of Cincinatti....We did eat dinner there ;)

Phil_Ruffin
01-03-2004, 07:02 PM
Oh Man, talking about a bummer of a day.......I think that qualifies.

Better luck next time!

GyroRon
01-03-2004, 11:04 PM
John..... I said the old Vw diesels last forever! The Benz Turbo diesels are pricey and is a gamble once they rack up that kind of miles. That is why when you private emailed me about finding it I got the cold feet. A old 200 or non turbo 300 OR just one that has been babied - benz that is - would be great but you have to be careful to pick the right one!

What I would like to find is a older late 70's up to late 90's VW diesel anything. Cheap is good low miles even better. Something to use to go out to the airport with. Would really like love to find one of those old VW trucks that looks like a Rabbit version of a El Camino.

Sorry to hear you went through all that trouble on my account John. But look..... Don't you know not to trust dealers! ;D buy from private owners is what I normally try to do ;)

01-04-2004, 02:53 AM
Gentlemen,

there is a cerified 1,7 l Mercedes (Smart) turbo diesel
available for avaiation applications.
It's commecial name is Centurion made by Thielert.

www.tae-engines.com

in Germany. Its already JAA cerified and flying in Diamond
"plastic planes".

I think it might be a great opportunity for gyros.

The weight to power ratio is great, but more the
dead thrust to weight. By same hp it has 50% more torque.

Generally, diesel for aircraft is the future (I belive) ;)

At least for bigger enclosed gyros instead of Sub or others.


See also http://www.deltahawkengines.com/

PTKay

Screw
01-04-2004, 03:09 AM
Ron,

I didn't go and do all this because of you. ::) You reminded me that it would be a good car to have on my lot and if you wanted it, the better. If not, it was cool.

It wasn't a total loss, even after all of that, and having to fix it, I can still retail my way out of it and maybe make a little something if I finance it. Besides....Barbi and I did get a whole day without the kids ;D

John-

GyroRon
01-04-2004, 06:33 AM
otay. :)

Whirlydog
01-05-2004, 05:48 AM
PTKAY,

I agree with you. I think diesels will be the engine of the future. I have been thinking of trying to use a used VW 1.9 TDI engine when I get around to building my gyro.

Shawn

01-05-2004, 06:18 AM
When I read about all this carb heat, lean or rich mix etc. on the cerified engines, I can just laugh...

Small Diesel are now (specially in Europe) high in coming.

Have a look on some pages:

http://www.geocities.com/plane_diesel/index.html

http://www.dieselair.com/

http://www.deltahawkengines.com/contents.htm

PTKay

GyroRon
03-16-2004, 05:42 PM
gyronutt, is your Benz as bad as Mr automan says they are? If not how much you want for it?

Chuck Irby
03-16-2004, 05:58 PM
Okay gyronutt, I know who you are. Go back to your profile page and give us your real name, your age and also that you live in New Ortleans.
(Seriously, this is a Forum rule)

One more thing; are you sure that Mercedes diesel is a six cylinder, or is it really a five? I would bet that it's a five.

By the way, I am glad to see that you joined us here. Do you ever get any further North than Gulfport, MS? If you want to get together sometime, let me know.

PW_Plack
03-18-2004, 04:50 PM
Chuck,

Of course he knows it's a six cylinder. He counted the spark plugs!

Chuck Irby
03-18-2004, 06:17 PM
Good one Paul. They do have plugs, just not ones that spark, huh?

A six cylinder diesel in a 78 Mercedes automobile is a new one on me though. I remember that the 240D was a 4 cylinder and the 300D series were all 5 cylinder. It seems that there might have been several gasoline engines that were six cylinder.

Russell
03-18-2004, 07:10 PM
MY pick is a FORD POWER STROKE diesel!!!!!!!!!!! ;D I am sure Catfish will agree.
Its a family thing.
Russ