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jcarleto
04-25-2011, 06:42 PM
To say that I am remarkably disappointed is perhaps the understatement of all understatements. The long and short of it is that I am back in rebuild mode, due to a critical failure in today's test flight. Before we get started, let me say that I am quite fine and no persons nor property were damaged in any way as a result of my unscheduled off-airport landing.

Those who follow my exploits know that I just put the Bulldozer back into service after a lengthy rebuild due to a keel crack caused by taxiing into a hole. In addition to replacing the keel, I replaced both masts, changing from collapsible 2-pice to solid 1 piece masts and made various adjustments to systems for either weight reduction or improved operation or performance (for example: changing from cable to hydraulic brakes).

I had already planned to do an extended test period of not less than 20 hours to accommodate the changes. Up to today, I had been pleased to find only a few minor adjustments and changes to trim to make things settle down. The overall performance was significantly improved over the original iteration and it looked like smooth sailing.

Lewis Gulley joined me at the airport this morning, as I was finalizing the SWR setting for the new antenna. I also had a loose ground wire in the strobe that I had to straighten out. Afterward, we both looked the machine over and virtually ran out of things to check. At this point, I had about 12 runway circuits and about 10 landings behind me for 2 hours of flight time. I'd fly off some more test time after lunch.

There was a nice 8-10 knot direct crosswind after lunch, so I decided to fly circuits with low passes. I flew two normal patterns. Everything was fine. Speeds were consistent, engine instruments were exactly as before. I decided to fly an extended pattern. The runway is surrounded by a wall of thick trees, so we generally fly a tight pattern just past the runway apron above the edge of the trees. By extended, I mean more like a FW pattern...about 1/4 mile past the end of the runway, then left about a 1/4 mile and so on. This puts one at "the other side" of the trees.

I started getting the idea there was something wrong as I climbed out past the end of the runway. I had throttled back to 4500 RPM, and it now showed 4400. I added a bit of throttle, thinking that the quadrant had vibrated back. It eased back to 4500. A moment or three later, it was back at 4400. I added throttle again, noticing that my quadrant was further forward than it should be. I said, "Back to the airport." I was over the trees.

Then my decision was made for me. There was a loud crack and some vibration. My power was gone, but the engine was running. I also had some stick shake. I never get stick shake. First things, first. I picked my landing target. Then I took inventory. I looked back at my prop. It was smaller than it should be and shook a lot if I added any power. OK, something went through the prop. I killed the engine. Rotor and rudder control was good...so...I'm landing in someone's front yard. I wonder if they have any tea.

It was tight, but I made a pretty good landing. They didn't have any tea, but were kind enough to let me sit on the porch and wait until Lewis got there with a trailer. Judging by the number of cameras, there are no doubt some pictures all over the web of my machine sitting in this guy's yard. His first question was, "Why did you land here?" I told him I didn't have a lot of choice and thanked him for not having more trees than he did.

So, what happened. Apparently, and further inspection is necessary to be certain, the starter bracked failed. It is a bracket integral to the Bob Kopp redrive, that holds the starter in position to contact the flywheel. The loud crack was the starter coming loose and contacting the prop. I may have a 4 blade PowerFin hub for sale, without blades, if it passes a dye check. My rotors are suspect. There are some suspicious dents on the bottom. Given that I experienced rotor shake in flight, some prop pieces may have gone through. I may have gotten a slight tail support strike on landing, though I didn't think the landing was hard. I did bend my nose-wheel bracket. I suspect my nose-wheel may have been turned sideways by the grass, as it is free-castoring wth a very light spring and I let the machine roll a moment on touchdown before I stopped it.

So...I have 3 knowns and an unknown. I know I will have to get a new prop..and am seriously considering a Tennessee prop. I am pretty sure the rotors will have to be replaced, though that is not absolutely certain yet and I must replace the nose-wheel bracket. The unknown is back at the starter. I won't know more until I get it apart.

A lot of people have advised me not to post. I understand that. I suppose there is more risk in going public with one's issues than with one's triumphs. However, in this instance I believe I did everything as properly as I could have done and caused no harm (other than to my wallet).

I believe testing is vital and that examples such as this should be made public to underscore just how vital it is to do significant testing. I truly wish that more people posted for issues with machines that we never hear about unless there is an injury or worse. But, as I said, I understand why they do not. It is difficult not to feel personal failure in a situation like this and that is an embarrassment.

I'll close with a sincere thank you to Rick Abercrombie, Steve McGowan and Lewis Gulley for all their knowledge and information and for instilling in me the need to constantly practice emergency procedures. By the way, lots of others have been singers of the same song and I do not mean to short-change anyone for the help and guidance I have received along the way...the list of people who preach practice of technique and emergency procedures is simply too long to list here.

choppergabor
04-25-2011, 07:03 PM
Wow Jon I am so glad you are alright!!! First I commend you for posting this for us to learn from it. You are an example how a cool head and the self discipline can turn a bad situation into an acceptable outcome. I feel really bad about the damage and the fact that you were already flying her and now you have to get back into getting your hands dirty mode.... Sorry :( I hate to see it happen to you my friend. Let's get to work we have stuff to do damn it! :)

Passin' Thru
04-25-2011, 07:17 PM
Heart breaking!:sorry:

BEN S
04-25-2011, 07:19 PM
You have nothing to be ashamed of. You did a fine job of proving once again why gyros are the safest. You walked away.
When I totaled my rig, it was strictly because of a stupid mistake I made and a real lack of jugement, but I don't see that in your case. Mech stuff happens and you dealt with it real well.
Sorry about the pocketbook factor, I'm sure you will be back in the air in no time.
Thanks for posting and thanks for the reminder.
Ben S

Resasi
04-25-2011, 07:25 PM
It is difficult not to feel personal failure in a situation like this and that is an embarrassment.

First off congratulations Jon with the professional way you approached the whole affair from the beginning, to dealing with the emergency. Delighted you emerged without any injury. Sorry about the dented wallet and of course the hours of work ahead. Of little consequence in relation to what might have happened

It is something that could have happened to any of us, though perhaps not all might have dealt with the emergency as well.

Looks like we might have another build/mend thread to follow.

To post as you have does us all a service by showing how things like this should be treated. Your openness is to be commended.

billygyro
04-25-2011, 07:35 PM
Jon, Congrats on a good landing,I'm sorry about the machine but it can be redone, Good practice and safe flying is a must and we all can learn from post like this. Let me know what you find in the break down and please keep us posted (pics please).

Also as a request, see if you can get some of the pics that was taking right after asking for some tea..Maybe that might be possible, tell them you will be giving rides right after its flying again,,LOL.

Timchick
04-25-2011, 07:45 PM
Glad you're OK and glad you had a good landing. On the bright side, at least you can be flying GyRonimo while you rebuild.

dabkb2
04-25-2011, 08:22 PM
Sorry to hear this Jon, but glad your ok.

Gyro_Kai
04-25-2011, 09:21 PM
So sorry to hear this after the extensive re-build. Glad you are ok and the damage seems still contained. Good luck for the next re-build.

Kai.

RotoPlane
04-25-2011, 09:48 PM
Shoot! I'm sorry this happened Jon….I see nothing in your post that points to anything you did wrong and your corrective actions allowed you to thankfully still be with us. Hopefully the dents in your rotor-blades aren't critical….the unbalanced prop may have fed vibrations into your controls and caused the stick shake. Thank you for this report….I think this is the responsible path to take.

PW_Plack
04-25-2011, 11:41 PM
Jon, so sorry to hear about the latest ding to your build/fly ratio!

...the starter bracked failed. It is a bracket integral to the Bob Kopp redrive...

Are there any other original pieces left on this machine? I'm starting to feel as if I understand why the company's website never shows them more that a few feet above the runway!

scottessex
04-26-2011, 01:39 AM
Dang! Glad you are OK Jon, Yes training is cheap when it comes to being able to handle emergency's safely. :(

StanFoster
04-26-2011, 01:40 AM
Jon- Sorry to hear this, but you handled It very well. Thanks for sharing and. Stan

Penguin
04-26-2011, 02:25 AM
Glad you landed safely.
But what do you think caused the initial RPM drops?

MrGrey
04-26-2011, 03:33 AM
Sorry to hear that Jon............ Guess its time to buy a two place Dominator! Good Luck!

gyromike
04-26-2011, 04:48 AM
Good job on getting it down safely Jon.

jcarleto
04-26-2011, 05:00 AM
Thank you all for the kind words. Yes, in retrospect, an acceptable outcome. Wallet stuff I can fix. I felt I had to post. If all the roll-overs and bumps were published, it would perhaps lead us to some interesting conclusions or perhaps some design corrections. Who knows.
ChopperGabor: Indeed...stuff to do. Now you'll have to keep me entertained with YOUR flying videos while I get this back together.
Passin' Thru: Yes..heartbreaking...and a bit depressing, but I'll get over that. It may have to sit in the hangar for a little while before I look at it again, though.
Ben S: I'm not so much ashamed for the incident as disappointed I didn't find it in the pre-flight. I can see how people who do not post might be embarrassed. I am doing a lot of re-think on prevention for next time. I'm not really sure how it could have been avoided. Two very good sets of eyes were on the machine before the flight.
Resasi: Yes, I consider this an internal part and hidden flaw. Those kinds of things are difficult to spot and could happen to anyone. Still, as they say, "It sucks to be me right now." :)
BillyGyro: Thanks. I don't know about getting any of the pictures with offers of rides. They saw the shredded prop and clearly understood I made an unscheduled landing. I'm fairly sure that was not a confidence builder.
Timchick: Alas, GyRonimo is up in Tennessee for a while and the Bonanza is in for annual. I am currently a wingless biped. It makes me feel like I need to molt or something.
Dabkb2: Thanks. I'll be fine when I get it back together.
Gyro_Kai: Yes, isn't that vacuous? All that work and "ka-blooie" in an instant. A bit frustrating. I suppose I'll have to start a re-rebuild thread.
RotoPlane: I know both Lewis and I have gone over and over this in our heads looking for something we should have caught. After two uneventful pattern circuits, it seemed reasonable to do an extended circuit. I try to move in "baby-steps" in testing and not to push too much. Each flight has goals and repetition of previous completed steps. Again, this is why we test.
PW_Plack: Not many items remain from the original kit. Certainly, none that I have not rebuilt or corrected. The rear seat is from the original kit. The cheek plates are too, and the rotors, rotor-head and prop. But the prop was PowerFin and the rotorhead and rotors were RFD. The tail is somewhat original, but I took it apart in changed it some for strength. I'll be removing it in favor of a fixed tail with rudder this time around. It was something I just didn't get around to in the "previous rebuild."

This is why I am especially concerned about the issue with the starter bracket. I rebuilt the Kopp re-drive and have adjusted the starter bracket in the past. It will be interesting to see what actually caused the problem. For now, I am guessing that the starter was binding on the flywheel for some reason, causing the RPM drop. Disassembly will tell.
ScottEssex: Yep. It is nice not to flounder and second-guess at times like that. All that goes to training. I credit my original FW instructors too, for a lot of that mindset. I do recall that you can relate.
StanFoster: Thanks...hey..anytime I can be of service. :)
Penguin: Right now I have to think the starter was binding against the flywheel some way to cause the RPM loss. I hope to know more once I open it up and take the re-drive off.
MrGrey: Actually, I was really liking the way it flew right up to the moment all the unusual noises occurred. I am not a huge fan of drop-keel design for situations exactly like this. That is not to say I am not a fan of CLT, but that many CLT machines trade safe flight characteristics for stable ground handling. I would much rather land in a harsh ground environment in a low-slung machine than a drop-keel. I think there is less chance of roll-over or landing-gear failure. Since I managed to bend a my super-beefy, short and stubby nose-gear (more or less a non-issue with a "low-rider"), I can only suppose I would have had a severe bend in most drop keel nose-gear and probably would have rolled over. Speculation, to be sure, but that is what I believe presently with the current level of information I have at hand.
GyroMike: Thanks! Though I think I could have done a little better job if there weren't so many trees in NW Georgia.

GyroRon
04-26-2011, 05:05 AM
My machine would have fared well..... it is all in how you land it, and practice makes perfect!

Let us know what happened with it Jon as you get time to tear into it

barnstorm2
04-26-2011, 05:14 AM
Good to hear you are OK and congratulations on a successful engine out landing!

I am sorry to hear of your mechanical issues.

.

Chuck Roberg
04-26-2011, 05:20 AM
Jon, glad to hear your training kicked in. Sounds like you handled it well.

I'm really glad your OK. Sorry about the damage to your wallet though.

jcarleto
04-26-2011, 05:46 AM
My machine would have fared well..... it is all in how you land it, and practice makes perfect!
No argument. I have nowhere near the skill level you or MrGrey have in gyros and nowhere near the gyro hours. What an excellent point that makes. Even with my meager, limited abilities, I walked away with little more than superficial damage (outside of the initial mechanical issue). Given the same pilot (me), and a high CG machine with spindly gear, I'm not absolutely positive I could have done as well. Clearly, I need more practice, and I will certainly get more as time passes. For that landing, for me at my current stage of development...that seems to have been an appropriate machine.

It was a difficult setup. I had to sacrifice a lot of airspeed to avoid charging the home owner for tree-trimming service and the landing area was significantly compact and enclosed to be moderately impressive, if I do say so myself.

Good to hear you are OK and congratulations on a successful engine out landing!
Thank you. That is actually second non-simulated engine out landing with the Bulldozer (though the only one in this configuration). The first occurred with "iteration one" due to an idle setting too low after the cam upgrade. It was a non-event, as it was over the runway and I happened to be practicing simulated engine out landings at the time.

jcarleto
04-26-2011, 05:51 AM
Jon, glad to hear your training kicked in. Sounds like you handled it well.
I'm really glad your OK. Sorry about the damage to your wallet though.

Well, I notice my hand is a bit sore this morning. I bunged it up operating the hoist on the trailer. That's not counted as part of the incident, is it? :)

Vance
04-26-2011, 05:57 AM
Hello Jon,

It sounds like you did well.

Some things are very difficult to catch in preflight.

It was that way when I ran the alternator into the propeller on the Predator.

I had run my fingers over the alternator adjustment bracket in preflight that morning and the alternator mounting bracket looked fine although I didn’t feel it with my fingers. Two flight hours later and an abbreviated pre-flight I had a ruined propeller, a bad alternator and needed a better alternator bracket. I had never had any trouble with the O-290 but the IO-320 seems to attack that area.

As I surveyed my broken aircraft I felt fortunate that I had an aircraft that needed repairing that I was licensed to fly. I also felt fortunate that I could see a path to getting back in the air. This is outside of most people’s reality.

I practice engine outs so often that there is something deep inside me that wants to see if I will handle it as well as you did. I shut the engine down once because my oil pressure sender stopped sending but I was able to make it back to the airport. I have not yet been tested with a true engine out emergency.

Thank you, Vance

getut
04-26-2011, 06:02 AM
Jon.. wow man.. I'm sorry about the problems but glad you got it down safely.'

I hope my new and slimmed down Parson's reintroduction will be trouble free.

jcarleto
04-26-2011, 06:28 AM
Vance: I didn't know you had that problem. I'm glad you got past it. People ask me why I like the older Bonanza's. It is because I like the E-225 engine over the O and IO series. Gear-driven accessories. Continental belt-drive systems are rather notorious. Check and check often. As to real vs. simulate engine outs...may you always have only the simulated variety. When you don't get to pick the "airport" you never know if you're going to get good ice tea.

Getut: Indeed. A case of start and stop. Good luck with your build. Pictures!! We need pictures!

Gyro28866
04-26-2011, 07:36 AM
Jon
Good to hear you are ok.
Great save!
sounds like the rebuild is minimal.
It only hurts when you rub the wallet.

jcarleto
04-26-2011, 07:48 AM
Lewis got over to the hangar and poked around. It seems the crankshaft on the engine is broken at or about the rear seal. Now the question is...did the starter come loose and grab the flywheel to break the crank or did the crank break due to vibration and allow the flywheel to sheer the starter bolts.

Given the re-drive history and vibration issue I had some time ago when I discovered the SAE bolts in the metric crank, I am leaning toward the crank as the primary culprit rather than the starter. It should be easy to tell once the re-drive is off by the shear pattern. If the starter was the culprit, I expect some deeper cuts in a regular pattern. If it happened when the flywheel got loose...well..."Freddy Kruger" comes to mind. Either way, that's it for the Kopp re-drive.

jcarleto
04-26-2011, 07:55 AM
Good to hear you are ok.
Great save! Sounds like the rebuild is minimal.

Thank you. The landing damage is minimal. I seem to have a talent for making a minimal project expand. Right now it looks like:

Replace Engine Block
Replace Re-drive (with other than Kopp re-drive)
Replace Tail (more because I want to, than have to...I want a fixed tail with a rudder).
Replace Prop
Replace Rotors (probably)
Replace Nose-wheel Fork (U-channel)
Replace Rear Engine Mount (below starter)

Looks like a full day's work to me. :D

animal
04-26-2011, 08:18 PM
Jon,just read about this, glad you are ok and no more damage done then it was.

Mostly glad you are ok. would love to see pics of the area you landed in, it sounds pretty tight, glad the Home owner was not to freaked out about your Visit.

jcarleto
04-27-2011, 05:35 AM
Animal: Thanks, Tim. Yes, it was fairly tight.

Apparently, based on the post mortem examination, the crank broke first. Then the flywheel sheared off bolts allowing the starter to move into to the prop. Also, since there is a clear pattern of Subaru crankshaft failures resulting from any side-load at all, it is certain that there is no practical way to adjust or modify a Kopp re-drive to be safe, as its operation is dependant on at least a minimal side-load on the main crankshaft for belt tension. Since belt tension changes with heat, the side-load placed on the engine is variable and therefore more dangerous and unpredictable.

The Kopp drive goes in the trash. Good, quality, factual education is and has always been an expense item.

StanFoster
04-27-2011, 06:11 AM
Jon- you did very well. Any engine out comes unannounced and its a considerable pilot workload picking out a place to land, keeping the airspeed correct, flaring at the right time, and you only have one chance! Its the real McCoy riding down a dead horse, and its going to do its best to buck you off. Good luck on your rebuild Jon. It will all work out for the better. Stan