Politics & Religion - Yes or No [Archive]

BUD ONEAL

09-12-2004, 09:51 AM

Ray,
As you said,this is in
the right part of the conferance. Personaly I like to see who is all messed up in their way of thanking.Heron is as wrong as any one can be,in my opinion,We need to know who to watch out for should the s--- hit the fan.I served in the early to late fiftys,U.S.Navy as a control tower operator so I did not have to dodge bullets. However I was there if some one decided to put one my way. I was privy to see first hand the photos first hand of castros cuba as they and russia tried to put in place the missiles that could of had us speaking a forigen language.Thank god for a strong president even if he was a democrat.I like these polls
Bud O'Neal

RayPierce

09-12-2004, 10:14 AM

Vance

09-12-2004, 10:31 AM

In my opinion Don just started posting in the correct place after others had espoused their point of view instead of sticking to the thread.
I find it difficult to get over the dislike I feel for individuals who want to destroy my way of life. I would prefer to focus on autogyros and flying as that is a plesant part of my life. I know the enemy is out there and I am forced to address them on a daily basis.
I don't like the idea of prohibiting anything as that introduces the need for police and enforcement.
Thank You Todd for wanting to make this forum the best it can be, Vance

Heron

09-12-2004, 11:18 AM

Harry_S.

09-12-2004, 11:29 AM

Good post Steve. I'm with you 100 %. Whatever Todd does, I'm also behind him 100 %.

Victor Duarte

09-12-2004, 11:31 AM

i should apologize too, for i just have replied to a post that choked me ..
if the whole forum thinks i should go, i ll go. no problem
as said don "no room for nay frenchies" ok i dont want to follow on this way, as it becomes a "haters" discussion,
if theres a US hater here , dont look in my direction, im not,
sorry for disagreements
just a last word :
"i disagree with your opinion , but i will fight for you have the right to express it"

PTKay

09-12-2004, 12:03 PM

This is no palce for politics or religion.
There are enough such forums on the net.

I wish to have the pleasure of sharing the experience and knowledge
on gyros and other rotocraft and not being involved in any mud slinging,
finger pointing and so on...
Or any othe rpolitics or religion discussions I have enough elsewhere
andt try to escape to gyros and other aircraft being my hobby
and way of finding some relax in this crazy world.

BTW: Poland is a second biggest allied force in Iraq now, after US,
but it REALLY has nothing to do with this forum !!!!!!

Todd, please kill this crazy thread before more knowlegeble
and experienced people get offended and leave the forum.

PTKay

Aussie_Paul

09-12-2004, 02:10 PM

There is no need for anyone to leave the forum!!!! The off topic forum was put there for the reason of just this. Seperate to gyroplanes.

I am a Catholic, definately not great catholic but I try and have a great faith. I certainly would not leave this forum because someone hates, dislikes, thinks Catholics are off the rails, or that every priest is a pedaphile. I may stand up for my beliefs if someone really hacked into my Catholic beliefs, and go toe to toe for a bit, but that's where it would end.

I would not leave, I would just accept that the is a wide variety of thinking in subjects other than gyroplanes, that keep us all together learning about gyroplanes.

Aussie Paul.:)

jucie

09-12-2004, 02:50 PM

In my humble opinion, "Politics & Religion" should not be forbidden, Todd. Instead of a prohibition, I do prefer to believe our fellow members are gonna be mature enough to realise that a gyro forum isn't a proper place to discuss some difficult themes like that.

Why international radio operators community had banned such subjects from his conversations a long time ago? Because they learned, decades before we do, that the world is very large, with too many different cultures and local contexts. Without a face to face meeting, no one can reasonably expect to be able to convince people with such different backgrounds on critical subjects like that. If one wants to build a strong and diverse friendship with many people around the world, and he is smart, then he will keep himself away from those subjects.

mceagle

09-12-2004, 04:05 PM

I do not believe religion or politics should be discussed here. It is technically a "Rotary Wing Forum" and just passing it off as OK because it is off topic is ridiculous, because heated discussions between two (or more) postees will rub off as friction in the other posts.
I understand "Off Topic" to mean any other Gyroplane topic that does not already have a specific heading.

Jim

09-12-2004, 04:23 PM

I believe that Tim McClure is right in saying that politics should not be discussed here. This is, and remains a "Rotary Wing Forum". Having been a soldier myself, I understand the passion that people have for their country. National pride is good, but does not belong in this forum, not even in "off topics".

If politics need to be discussed, there are ample sites on the net for that.

Like Tim, I believe that heated discussions will spill over to other parts of the forum.

Jim

RayPierce

09-12-2004, 04:28 PM

I offer myself to stay exiled from the Forum altogether!
I will read and talk privately witH ANYONE IN ANY SUBJECT
I am not your enemy, and you should be grateful, because you have no clue what can be done here!
Dont you ever say democracy again in my presence, you are not!
Thank you all and I am sorry for all misunderstanding!
Heron Cerqueira de Souza.

Heron
Don't exile yourself. It accomplishes nothing. That goes for everyone else too!
You are mistaken if you think we are a democracy. WE are not. We are a republic based on representative democracy. We are not a nation of mob rule. Everyone is represented not just who has the most players on a team.

The Dixie Chicks thought they were immune too. It don't work that way. You have the right to speak your mind. You DO NOT have the right to expect full agreement with whay you had to say.

Just remember this one simple fact of life and especiallyabout public comments that are negative about people, politics and people's faith.
Do Not expect it to go unchallenged.
Think long and hard before you speak negatively of someone.

Now participate and quit being foolish about this exile business.

GyroRon

09-12-2004, 04:41 PM

Gee I have been busy with tweaking my gyro and going to fly ins and stuff, and have been barely on the forum for a few days and look here......!!!! Finally a place where people are pissed and in a uproar on the forum and I have no part of it!!! Thank Goodness!!!

My opinion... If it is in off topic is is okay. If you don't want to read it or participate in it then don't. It IS off topic so therefore should have nothing to do with THE topic which is flying.

GraemeMonro

09-14-2004, 01:56 AM

I worked with people that would always complain very loudly about some of the rubbish shows on tv. I thought it was all so very simple, if you don't like it then don't watch it.
If you don't like the topic or what has been said then don't read it. I think this is what people are talking about with having freedoms, you are able to make choices and act on them. This is what I was in the army for, so we can keep our freedoms.
I think it is in the right section, off topic, and we don't need censorship. But the call is all yours Todd and I will accept your ruling.

mrford61

09-14-2004, 03:06 AM

Tim is right in that it is a shame to see people in our relatively small group who generally get on, trade verbal blows over an "off topic".

However there is some irony in boycotting a subject because we are unable to tolerate each others different point of view or belief, when that subject, war/terrorism, on many levels stems from an inability to tolerate a different culture-religion-point of view or belief.

The war on terrorism has so many different dimensions now that I dont believe there is any single reason for it being, but many reasons, by different players with different agendas.

And that is one reason the war on Terrorism is going to be a long one, and I for one am grateful to the men and women who are, as far as I am concerned, defending my way of life. That is the dimension I care about and it is real.

I am very niave when it comes to politics, probably due to the fact that my generation ( I am 43 ) have enjoyed an idylic Australia. WW1 and WW2 are movies and documentries enjoyed from the comfort of our living rooms and we were too young for Vietnam. Even the "recession we had to have" was hardly a blip on the radar.

If I can say one thing that is not as fence sitting as the rest of this post is to Heron, your MO bottom line is always that anyone with a different opinion than yours in world events is unlearn-ed, brainwashed by their dark and conspiring government and should read more books to get the facts as you know them. It has never been leveled at me as I keep my head down, so I should mind my own business but honestly Heron I personally find it to be the height of arrogance.

Hognose

09-14-2004, 09:38 AM

I haven't voted in the poll. The simple matter is that I don't care about the issue overmuch; if Todd says politico-religious stuff can stay in, I support that, and if he wants to have "navy wardroom rules" (no discussion of religion, politics, or sex, I believe it was) then that's OK too.

I suppose that people who want to discuss the political and religious aspects of stuff ought to take it to the Off Topic forum, is all.

I don't want to make this about personalities, but I have met Heron in person and I quite liked him, although I cannot imagine two people further apart in political philosophy. We both have the same ends of a peaceful and secure world in mind, but have different approaches to achieving it; he strikes me as an ardent pacifist, but I have made up for him by whacking both our shares of bad actors. And I'm the last one to ask about religious matters: I'm Episcopalian (Yank version of C of E) and that's the next thing to a heathen, practically.

I think most forum members who met face to face would find a lot in common whether they are radicals or reactionaries or somewhere in between. I go elsewhere to discuss politics and the war. I come here to talk rotorcraft, but I do find the viewpoints of people from all over the globe interesting.

I'd like to think we're all mature enough not to be threatened by dissenting views and sensible enough to know the difference between a mind that can be changed by reasoned argument and a mind that is closed. Most of the political discussion on the net appears to be two sides of closed minds volleying their respective talking points back and forth -- no wonder it descends into name calling.

cheers

-=K=-

Chuck Irby

09-14-2004, 10:37 AM

It doesn't make a lot of difference to me. But I lean toward letting it stay. Six months from now if the space is needed on the hard drive, can it. I voted "I don't care".

mcbirdman

09-14-2004, 10:54 AM

I think whatever needs to be discussed or someone feels the need to discuss is fine. If you start limiting things it is hard to know when and where to draw the line. It is in the off topic area and if you want to read about gyros OFF TOPIC is a pretty good indication you are in the area you don't intend to be - so remove yourself - it was posted. I think it is a good thing to have the OFF area to help prevent OFF topics ending up in the gyro area that people are reading because it says GYRO. It is like going in the back area of the Video store for adults only - what do you expect? The stuff isn't going away but it isn't being put out front either. This way you know exactly what you are going to find. Keep it !

And I agree that you can't expect to change peoples mind with such complex ideas over the net. If someone wants to talk though, and discuss something with gyro friends, at least there is simply a place to do it without clogging up the other important threads with non gyro talk. I went back and looked at the number of people not wanting it to be here - which was higher. I am not saying I want to read it - just that it can be filed where it belongs..... jtm

TomCarlisle

09-14-2004, 12:36 PM

On the old forum, there were many quite vocal disagreements and most of them were on gyros. I was a newbe and I just kept my mouth shut even though I wanted to say some things. I read every post and some of them, I think, saved me from mistakes that you don't want to make in a gyro (I'm thinking about Craig Wall) I will be forever grateful that some of these posts were allowed to stay even though some of them got way off topic. I agree with Pat, we can learn from most anything, even thought we don't always agree. LET THE OFF TOPICS POST STAY

Rotornut

09-14-2004, 12:46 PM

My Dad told me there is two things you never discuss in a Group.
Politics and Religion. I find that Words of Wisdom!. MJ :)

Rando

09-14-2004, 01:09 PM

(I'm thinking about Craig Wall)

Does anyone know what ever happened to Craig Wall!!??

Dean_Dolph

09-14-2004, 01:26 PM

Your dad was a wise man MJ!

I would like to point out that the quickest way to stop a controversial discussion dead in its tracks is to not join in!

People that bring up politics and religion have a right to their views and the chances of anyone changing them is between nil and none. So why waste the time and energy.

By nature I'm pretty argumentative and I admit getting a charge out of it but there comes a time in any argument when supplying energy to it has to stop. Has anyone ever witnessed a one person argument?

Rotornut

09-14-2004, 04:36 PM

Craig is fine working on his Sail Boat and Gyro and Fixed wings. Wish he would join in more.

HEY CRAIG CAN YA HEAR US!! Sure miss him! MJ :)

Hardy

09-14-2004, 05:56 PM

In high school I had a math teacher who on the first day of school said we could discuss anything in class but religion or politics, said it allways led to a fight, that was 39 years ago and he was competely correct.

09-14-2004, 11:21 PM

Todd,

I don’t envy your decision—it’s difficult. By the way, have I said Thanks for hosting the Rotary Wing Forum? We really appreciate it!

I remember when Ron started the “Off Topic” portion of the RWF, and with the exception of a cow unexpectedly shouting obscenities while my mother was in the room, it’s been fun to read/view.

Although it’s not my primary interest, politics are part of who we are and I don’t mind knowing a little more about the folks on the other side of my computer screen. I have to vote: I Don’t Care.

GyroRon

09-15-2004, 03:36 AM

Oh Steve.... You should know not to open any of my Off Topic stuff with your momma in the room!!! ;) Hey it was funny though right?

Rando

09-15-2004, 03:50 AM

Craig is fine working on his Sail Boat and Gyro and Fixed wings. Wish he would join in more.

HEY CRAIG CAN YA HEAR US!! Sure miss him! MJ :)
HEY CRAIG, IF YOU CAN'T HEAR MJ, PLEASE HEAR THE REST OF US. WE MISS YOUR POSTS!!! RON AWAD NEEDS SOME COMPETITION IN THE "COLORFUL" POST DEPARTMENT!

GyroRon

09-15-2004, 04:00 AM

Yes come back so I can be viewed as a nice guy again! No seriously, come back, alot of people here need your style of help.

MMorgan

09-15-2004, 05:56 PM

This is a ROTORCRAFT FORUM as the name implies.

Why even have an OFF TOPIC discussion section on this forum. I fail to see the point.

If you must discuss other things use the phone (everyone has free long distance now on their cell phone) or use email.

The OFF TOPIC section serves no purpose on this forum in my opinion.

mcbirdman

09-15-2004, 06:56 PM

Sure, maybe if someone wants to talk about how the storm is affecting friends in Florida that we often write to or maybe if we just want to ask about the trip back from Mentone or to look up something about tractors - LAWN - like I did when I remembered that people like Ron A. or probably many others could help me when I needed it. Should I put it under the heading Tractors or just not post it. It is entirely too simplistic to expect discussions among many people who share the same highly driven interests not to be able to speak in the same place they frequent merely because it isn't specifically gyro related. The bond that occurs through this forum that I do see time and again such as Chuck offering to drive 1/2 way somewhere to offer a generator to someone that is powerless just because he cares is just one example of the kind of bond that is being created by this forum. It is hopefully glue that sticks us all together as long as it is used as such and not as a way to change the unchangeable.

I think it is too hard to seperate valuable information from junk. Something of zero value to one person is exactly what someone else is looking for and very helpful. That is why I think that if you know the name of the heading and go there.... You gits whacha get...... But if someone posts it should at least end up in the right place so I or others don't have to sift through it.

Saying not to post such things would actually require more effort to moderate and does nothing to answer where to put other posts that aren't exactly gyro related except in how something is affecting a fellow gyro pilot somehow. It seems easier to redirect such comments to a place that exists instead of just trying to police it.

I will say that it isn't something I really care about - except that it does affect the quality of the posts when people aren't really talking about gyros but want to share with friends. I don't think it is possible to discuss such things as politics or religion
in the depth or efficiency that a phone call could provide but hey - you got time you want to invest - go do it. I don't have to read unless I go looking for it.

I have a brother in Iraq. A couple days ago they had 9 mortar attacks in 90 seconds - 2 times in one day. I know they have been ordered to remove nuclear reactive material. Two days ago they medivaced 2 people to Germany on suspicion of Mustard gas. 3 Weeks ago two charters aircraft took many troops to Kuwait and when they landed they tried to wake the guy that was sleeping all the way there. Shoot- it is like freezing at night and can hit 120-130 in the day.....So they thought he was just exhausted. He didn't wake because he took a bullet in the back of the head when he was waiting there to take off for a rest. Don't ask me what I think about the crap the media puts out to brainwash people. This is a war and alot of people are unaffected by it. Many are not. I only know things from my perspective and others, from theirs. But when I see something on TV or politicians who doubt others motivation or questioning our involvement in something that does affect us - and I know what my brother sees ..... It is very sad that we can't even get a concensus and just go do what we have to do.... Anyway, if someone wants to vent with friends, and the friends will listen, it is simple to let it occur in a special place that others don't have to visit. This forum is good for many aspects of our lives. Thanks Todd ! jtm

mceagle

09-16-2004, 04:13 AM

A couple of posters have suggested that those of us who find this topic to be a useless exercise in meaningless futility, can leave the room..........

Over and out.

Heron

09-16-2004, 05:58 PM

Why I am the only one (so far) respecting the poll?
Those who suggested it feel they have the arena just for themselves?

. . .undo the ruling and go back discussing whatever you like freely or remove youselves from discussion if you feel like. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave.
I am free and I think I am brave to steer **** so we can have better understanding of ourselves!
The stones thrown to my chest hurt a little but I am used to it . . .no hard feelings.
Now if you really want to get the full blast of my frustration . . . .be careful!
Lets do a rally to get Craig Wall back in here . . . . .heheheheheheh ;)
Heron

Steven_Kozned

09-16-2004, 08:17 PM

This off-topic area is great. This forum isn't just about rotorcraft. For me, it's a place to discuss rotorcraft AND get to know the characters that make up the forum a little better. What better way is there to see what truly makes up those characters, than when discussing a variety of different subjects?

I think Todd is running an exceptional forum -- and it keeps improving, partly because the great folks here are for the most part tolerant and great participants, no matter where the subject matter leads.

Vance

09-16-2004, 10:52 PM

Heron, I am confused. I don't see "brave" in telling people that are not in front of you that you know everything and if only they would get a lot smarter they would have the same opinion as you. What consequences do you risk? I don't understand the allure of "steer the ****". I must not be very smart as I don't share any of your opinions. I feel your style needs work. Thank you, Vance

Steven_Kozned

09-16-2004, 11:03 PM

Style?
What I'd like to know is what Heron is smoking most of the time!
:)

Heron

09-17-2004, 03:08 AM

Gotcha!! :D
I am not smoking I am just playing with you . . .
And that supposed to be "stir" . . .
Hey . . .it should not turn to personal, it is just a display of opinions based on how we perceive the facts presented to us.
I just like to see it go to better in my never humble opinion!
But one thing is for sure . . .no one is going to die for things I do or support.
One group is trying to shut the other one up, using disguised treats and trowing war records and medals . . .I am sorry you had to go to war, no matter the reasons that took you there, you should not have been put on harms way.
NOt by this side not by the other side.
If you don't mind a little help here, lets discuss the aircraft that hit The Pentagon on 9/11 . . .what is up with that? Is there any fire or just smoke?
But really, we should abide by our poll and stop this subjects because it is what the majority wants, right? Right?
The voters have spoken.
Ah! one more thing, when we meet face to face, try not to hurt me too much, I may snap and try to hurt you back . . .you know . . .that other face thing does not have a follow up and everything can happen!
Heron

GyroRon

09-17-2004, 04:16 AM

Heron even if every single person on the forum wanted to NOT have any off topic discussions, it is still Todds Forum and he is the rule maker. As of right now there is no ruling by Mr. Todd to stop these discussions. So there is nothing bad about keeping the debate alive here.

Also only 67 people have bothered to vote so far. That is less than 10 percent of the people who are registered to use the forum. Maybe the other 90 percent wants to keep this a open forum?

Chuck Irby

09-17-2004, 04:22 AM

Good points, Sir Ron of the C's! Have you flown the new gears yet, Ron?

GyroRon

09-17-2004, 04:44 AM

nope not yet. Still need a puller. Hmmm... with all the rain we are getting today from Ivan, and since I am doen with work for the week, Maybe I will try to go get the gear pulled and swapped out.

Heron

09-17-2004, 06:03 AM

I know and I voted to keep it open but, if the poll was taken it was for a purpose and I think Todd will consider the Vox Populi when and if making a rule.
I wish by now you guys could get it when I am making waves . . .like in Gyrowave! :)
When all come here to discuss Better America with open spirits we can profit even more!
Even though I will go back to Brazil empty handed from what I came here for, it is still a great experience and mostly an honor to have interacted with people like those here at our Forum.
Now let me go make some money so I can go back and retire . . .
Whatch out for those rains, they are heavy, Ivan did a number down here.
Heron

Vance

09-17-2004, 06:26 AM

Heron, When soldiers are in harms way and people like you support the enemy's position people do get hurt. It does not occur to the enemy that not everyone is as misguided and misinformed as you. It seems to them that we lack resolve and conviction and they feel that they are close to victory so they keep fighting and dying and our boys keep dying.

I was not able to find any "disguised treats and trowing war records and medals" on this forum. I believe your hearing what is not said is at the heart of your misguided position.

I always take it personaly when people attack my country and my cognitive skills.

Bring up all your posts and read them one after the other searchng for value. Perhaps you will learn something. I hope that one day you get better and you get what you are searching for. Thank you, Vance

Heron

09-17-2004, 10:46 AM

hmmmm . . . not quite!
Gen. MOntgomery the Stupid sent many youngsters to certain death, knowing that harm was waiting and to save face and not call the attempted invasion back he preferred to let them go.
If I could stop your enemy in its tracks I would do it, but you do not know who your enemy is . . .way back you told us it was the koreans, than the VC, than the Comunists, than Granada, than Panama, now Iraq and Afganisthan and so on and so forth.
If we were way back than, wich one of the sides you like to point me: NOrth (damn yanks) or South (damn rebels)
See its alway the one who like to shoot and kill and maim that are always pointing the enemy,
I am stupid in many tings, when you point one out I laugh at myself for been stupid!
Maybe in a private message I could gve you a glimpse of what can be done, this is a public forum and I do not want the wrong guys getting ideas . . . .they already have enough.
Why are you so angry? . . .I am on you side so far, different strokes for different folks!
Do you really want to keep this going?
Heron

Thomas

09-29-2004, 04:21 PM

Who voted for that Hitlerite Schwarzenager?

Heah, lets rewrite the freaken Constitution.

FrankieJ

09-08-2005, 07:18 PM

What! I though gryo flyin was a religion - there goes me tax break

spaceman spiff

09-08-2005, 08:35 PM

Its healthy to discuss things in an environment where you are not too issolated in a partcular ideal. Talking religion only with people from a particular church and not allowing for some disagreement, produces a kind of intelectual inbreeding that i think is very unheathy and leads to some strange factions and dogmas (insert your own example here ). People and ideas need to be chalanged.

we have a great oportunity here with people from several diferent countries and points of view. So long as you avoid having contempt and harsh dismissive lables for other folks, the conversations can be very productive.

Cobra

09-09-2005, 04:34 AM

Im pretty much against anything that hints of censorship. I dont mind discussions of not-gyro issues in the Off Topic area; isn't that exactly what it was designed for? If someone gets offended on an issue, stay away from the off topic area or thread.

Im not sure why religion is grouped in the same classification as politics though- with religion there is no way to prove, or even discuss, ideas without both parties starting out with approximately the same opinion. Most religious discussions boil down to faith, geography, and ones family history anyway.

Political discussions tend to be interesting in this forum largely because of its unique international flavor. I do not see why any discussion of an idea has to degrade to a personal attack. I believe differing opinions and mild dissentions are healthy and desirable- in fact, I get a little nervous when everyone has the same opinion about something- it suggests someone is holding back or being bullied.

We all have the god-given right to be stupid or opinionated at times; it is part of the learning process. To get to a consensus opinion, we often have to understand both interpretations of the facts and then decide which best fits. The best solution generally falls somewhere in the middle more often than it does at the extremes.

Bottom line, I personally believe any discusion is healthy and informative, as long as both parties are reasonaby open-minded, that they distinguish the difference between interpretation/opinion and facts, and that they show a little respect for everyones' opinions and heritage.

david holmes

09-09-2005, 07:02 AM

Mike Parker, aka Cobra

Is it really possible that there is anyone/you out there who does not understand the golden rule:

"THE ONE WHO HAS THE GOLD -- MAKES THE RULES"

This is Todd's web site and he can do whatever he kdamn well pleases!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no such thing as freedom of speech, etc when one is a guest.

skyguynca

09-09-2005, 07:09 AM

I do believe it is ok in the off topic area, that is what it is for?? Is it not? The other areas are labeled for their specific topic........so why not use the off topic area for politics or religion??? If you are upset or offended then don't read it, it is not like you don't have a choice to select it for reading.

I think Todd has done a great job with the forum and supporting all of us subscribers. If the topics of religion and politics is so offensive then please do remove the off topic, the cartoons, the dirty jokes and links to other animations and movies that deal with sexual content to make sure no one accidently clicks the link and is offended.

Cobra

09-09-2005, 07:17 AM

I have no idea what you are getting at David.... Todd asked for opinions, I gave him mine.

Im willing to follow whatever rules or guidelines the group (Todd) comes up with.

Who pissed in your Cheerios today?

skyguynca

09-09-2005, 07:50 AM

My opinion is just as written, I believe Todd can do what he wants. That the Off Topic area is just for that: politics, religion, cartoons, jokes (normal or sexual or satire, etc.) and links to off topic items. Some people have been complaining to Todd evidently that the politic disscusion is unwanted, so that is why I said don't read it, your not being forced to. If we are going to prohibit politic and religion discussions then we must also get rid of the off topic area, some of the jokes and such they might also find offensive then they will be deleted also....where does it stop?

I do believe I said the same thing you did but in a different style Cobra.

PW_Plack

09-09-2005, 08:03 AM

If you were sitting with friends around a campfire at a fly-in, and one of these deep subjects came up, would you tell people they had to shut up or leave the fly-in?

The off-topic area should stay. I want to learn about gyros here, but also about the people who fly them. If you can't continue to tolerate someone because his political views differ from yours, then it is you who needs to leave the campfire, not others.

Many times the most interesting people have the most extreme views. If you don't like it, just stay away from off-topic. If we lose that forum, do you really think those conversations will stop happening? At least now, you know where they are, and can avoid them if you wish.

Exercise some self-control, and just stay away from the off-topic area. Don't deny it to others with thicker skin.

scottessex

09-09-2005, 08:18 AM

I think the key here is to check your feelings at the door. :D

WHY

09-09-2005, 08:51 AM

While we do indeed have a section for "off topic" it is however, still "on Forum" and the object of the forum is material and subjects regarding rotorcraft. There have been more wars and fights over politics and religion than were ever fought over wealth or poverty or any other subject, so common sense would seem to make it clear that these subjects should be left on the battle field where they belong and not on the forum.

Tony

RayPierce

09-09-2005, 09:56 AM

Thomas

09-09-2005, 10:03 AM

What will you ban next?

If you had MODERATORS that took their role seriously instead of making inappropriate comments to satisfy their own ego or score points with "Management" they would be able to steer any conversation in a productive direction.

Gyros are beginning to enter into every part of life. Rotor heads are no longer an isolated few. The world wants to know what you think. And since this is an international forum others want to compare their own philosophies with yours.

The only requirement is that you be tolerant and considerate and that has to start from the top.

The notion that Consitutional Amendements apply only to government intrusion is a crock! If you fail to live by the provisions in private lives the provisions mean nothing. The first to be executed by any regeme are those who dare to be different.

skyguynca

09-09-2005, 10:12 AM

I think we should just leave it alone. Come on guys...I have had several disagreements with people on here, but it is not personal. Even with guys I have had severe diffences of opinions with, I still very much enjoy talking to because............

Everyone has their own opinion, and is entitled to it.......and me for one likes to hear it.

ToddP

09-09-2005, 11:22 AM

Did anyone happen to notice this thread started on September 12, 2004? I'm not sure what got it going again. Anyway, I haven't banned any topics. My only request is we treat each other with respect and understand that not everyone shares our same opinion.

Jazzenjohn

09-09-2005, 11:24 AM

Before everyone gets too excited, this thread was reasurrected by Frankiej. Before his post yesterday the previous post was in 2004. While the topic may still be relevant, the decision was made over a year ago to allow virtually anything off topic.

REDHORSE556CES

09-09-2005, 06:54 PM

Robert Heinlein said it best: "One man's religion is another man's belly-laugh." Substitute "politic" for "religion", they're interchangable.

Seriously, my religion is my own affair. If asked about it I will respond. But I refuse to extemporize without being invited to do so.

While I might make comment on cutural or economic situations my profound feelings on political affairs is my own. My politic is to the right, but again, it is my own affair and something that I discuss only with those I know well.

I do not engage in sharp debate on either subject...I just keep in mind that "debate" never got a gyro off the ground.

As for anyone else assembled in this "Brotherhood of the Rotor", haul out your soapbox, power up the megaphone and let 'er rip! :)