How do you say 'needs a HStab' in Russian?

[barnstorm2]

http://www.altecavia.ru/english/eng.html

[Chuck Roberg]

An empty weight of 285 lbs ????? :rolleyes:

How do they do it? :eek:

[Brian Jackson]

An empty weight of 285 lbs ????? :rolleyes:

How do they do it? :eek:

There's less gravity in Russia. Actually they have the same gravity as the US, but spread out over a larger area.

:confused:

[chuter]

It looks like someone may have actually made a gyro with more thrustline/CG offset than an RAF. :cool:

[Aussie_Paul]

Chuter, there have been at least a couple that I know of in Oz that are/were worse than a Raf, and the stabs are about the size of a dinner plate!!!! One that I saw was after a PPO that killed the student as well as the instructor!!!!!

Aussie Paul.:)

[mceagle]

Gyrochuck, you are right - it is not physically possible for that Gyro to be 285 lbs. Perhaps they are confusing lbs with Kg. That would be more accurate.
Paul, I believe the accident that you are talking about was put down to pilot push over, not "Powered Push Over" because the previous student had verified that the instructor was in the habit of demonstrating severe pushovers in an engine failure situation. Without an engine you cannot have a powered push over.
I do not know of any accidents in Australia that can be labled "Powered Push Over", with the possible exception of those that were already "lost" through severe PIO.

[Terry_Smith]

They say its empty weight is 285 lbs. Their useful load is 500 lbs. And their Gross weight is 1000 lbs. Sooooo... Where do we account for the remaining 215 lbs? Is it for baggage? Is their gas tank really that much heavier? Did they decide to add additional weight after getting on 2 - 250 lb passengers and see how much they could get off the ground? I always thought that useful load plus empty weight was usually the gross weight, minus gas (or is gas included in empty weight?) I'm not a pilot yet - a few years away, and perhaps I'm missing something? It just seems like they need to re-think their numbers. My 2¢.

Terry

[Aussie_Paul]

Tim, no not that one. You should re look at the statistics Tim. It does not matter how it comes about, if the thrust line very high and there is no effective stab then it is a Power Push Over. PIO in a stable CLT machine does not end up in PPO. In an unstable HTLM PIO will almost certainly end in a PPO.

I hate to say this Tim, but you really haven't come to terms with PPO yet.

Aussie Paul.:)

[mceagle]

You are right Paul - at this point in time I have not come to terms with PPO as being the major killer in HTLM machines.
Please give me some definate proof so that I too can become a believer. You could start with the accident that you mentioned above.