Breaking News !

[bones]

Finally some news on the new machines from Xenon, I knew they were coming but just had to wait for details.



We publically annonce our 2 new entry level versions.
To make our wonderful gyro more affordable, we and the distributors, have voted a more basic version. The Xenon have definitively made its proof around the world of its true qualities, as comfort, performance, high level of security / stability.
Basically, we removed all accessories such as : landing light, strobes, leather pack, prop spinner, sound proofing, doors, 12volt plug, cabin heater, hydaulic brakes (replaced by front wheel drum brake), partial carpetting, Eco instrument pack, glare shield on instrument box, cabin overhead light, floor carpets, blade storage pockets.
Of course as everything is still compatible, you can choose to add some items as options when ordering or later. One of the advantage the machines offer then more payload being lighter.
We are then able to propose those versions : Xenon 2 R Eco = 43 900 Euros without VAT and Xenon 2 RST Eco = 55 500 Euros without VAT. Prices ex-work.
Our actual delivery times are shorter, thanks to our team that is faster and totally dedicated to a faster service, in the best quality standards. General delivery times are 6 weeks.
Please contact your local representative for more info.

CELIER Aviation Direction.

[Hognose]

That's about $55k-70k USD at current rates. Significantly less than the full-dress Xenon.

The Euro and dollar have moved closer together in the last few months, benefiting US buyers who want European products.

cheers

-=K=-

[Resasi]

Hard times = drastic measures.

Was wondering when we would hear from Xenon again. High end product. Limited market.

Tell us when we will be getting the latest info on the 51% build kit and a completion center in the US.

There is interest in the product, the credit crisis does not mean the world stops.

[All_In]

I second Leigh's marketing plan, there is a whole other market they are losing out on.

PS
Note: Labor, even just to assemble, is expensive!

[HobbyCAD]

There is interest in the product, the credit crisis does not mean the world stops.

Absolutely correct, the Mini-500 was born during the last US recession, and more than 500 were sold ....

[All_In]

Absolutely correct, the Mini-500 was born during the last US recession, and more than 500 were sold ....
We got a bunch of smart folks here!
Exactly right, I'm trying to talk my brother and other IA to branch out into the sport and experiential category. As it cost more to fly these lower cost aircraft will become more popular with the existing pilots.
Opportunity is everywhere!

[Dmorris]

This is great news! One year later I'm still "giddy" about flying my Xenon. I've already flown twice this week and have logged approx. 85 hours since last February. I look forward to hopefully taking some longer trips this year and meeting some of you guys and gals.

[Timchick]

David,
Are you flying down to Bensen Days?

[Dmorris]

I hope to come one way or the other. My plans for now are to fly if the weather patterns look favorable.

[fiveboy]

Photo of the "new" version or does it just still look the same?

[Dmorris]

May be wrong but I think it's a stripped down version of the original. Shoul be a good gyro for the money.

[RotorTom]

There is no doubt in my mind that the Xenon Gyroplane is one of the best flying machines in the world. I love mine. I love the design, flight characteristics and features.

However, I can tell you, after hearing from owners around the world (becasue I run XenonOwners.com), that Celier Aviation sucks (big time) when it comes to customer relations, service and support!

Raphael has lied to me after my door failure promising me he would fix my prop. And I have heard similar stories from around the world.

When there is a problem, they deny it, making an owner feel like they are the only one experiencing it. And they NEVER take responsibility except to blame the owner for the problem.

Raphael is a highly skilled designer and the factory does quality work, but Celier's business practices would not be tolerated in America.

Basic customer service is non-existent. I caution anyone doing business with Celier that you must be prepared to keep the bird flying on your own.

Thank goodness I started XenonOwners.com. At least owners have a place to find parts, discuss maintenance issues, find needed modifications and get support -- without being dependent on the factory.

I am sure Raphael will read this and get pissed off and threaten not to support me. So, what else is new?

LET THE BUYER BEWARE -- FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, AND DOZENS OF OTHERS WHO WILL BACK ME UP.:boom:

[fiveboy]

There is no doubt in my mind that the Xenon Gyroplane is one of the best flying machines in the world. I love mine. I love the design, flight characteristics and features.

However, I can tell you, after hearing from owners around the world (becasue I run XenonOwners.com), that Celier Aviation sucks (big time) when it comes to customer relations, service and support!

Raphael has lied to me after my door failure promising me he would fix my prop. And I have heard similar stories from around the world.

When there is a problem, they deny it, making an owner feel like they are the only one experiencing it. And they NEVER take responsibility except to blame the owner for the problem.

Raphael is a highly skilled designer and the factory does quality work, but Celier's business practices would not be tolerated in America.

Basic customer service is non-existent. I caution anyone doing business with Celier that you must be prepared to keep the bird flying on your own.

Thank goodness I started XenonOwners.com. At least owners have a place to find parts, discuss maintenance issues, find needed modifications and get support -- without being dependent on the factory.

I am sure Raphael will read this and get pissed off and threaten not to support me. So, what else is new?

LET THE BUYER BEWARE -- FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, AND DOZENS OF OTHERS WHO WILL BACK ME UP.:boom:

Sounds a lot less appealing. The fact that you might even have to worry about the manufacturer denying support for being candid is reason enough to stay clear of these people IMO.

It had ought to be a much better gyro than any other to overcome these sticking points.

[Vance]

There is no doubt in my mind that the Xenon Gyroplane is one of the best flying machines in the world. I love mine. I love the design, flight characteristics and features.

However, I can tell you, after hearing from owners around the world (becasue I run XenonOwners.com), that Celier Aviation sucks (big time) when it comes to customer relations, service and support!

Raphael has lied to me after my door failure promising me he would fix my prop. And I have heard similar stories from around the world.

When there is a problem, they deny it, making an owner feel like they are the only one experiencing it. And they NEVER take responsibility except to blame the owner for the problem.

Raphael is a highly skilled designer and the factory does quality work, but Celier's business practices would not be tolerated in America.

Basic customer service is non-existent. I caution anyone doing business with Celier that you must be prepared to keep the bird flying on your own.

Thank goodness I started XenonOwners.com. At least owners have a place to find parts, discuss maintenance issues, find needed modifications and get support -- without being dependent on the factory.

I am sure Raphael will read this and get pissed off and threaten not to support me. So, what else is new?

LET THE BUYER BEWARE -- FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, AND DOZENS OF OTHERS WHO WILL BACK ME UP.:boom:

Hello Tom,

In my experience this kind of behavior is not at all unusual.

When I was a Harley Davidson Motorcycle dealer and we had a warrantee challenge, the factory representative would tell me I was the first one to have that problem and my defective technicians needed more training. I would share with them what other dealers had this problem and it would become a California problem with our funny gas. Fortunately I had dealer friends all over the country so it would set off my BS meter. The discussions seldom ended in a productive way.

My limited experience with aviation would suggest it is not at all uncommon for my BS meter to peg in a conversation.

There are exceptions and I am grateful for that.

Your website is a great benefit and truth detector.

Thank you, Vance

[lanichol]

Tom,

Are you a consumer avocate by profession? For some reason I thought you had a radio show in Denver.

.........
Found it. I stand corrected. It is a national show. I wonder if the Xenon guys know? :)

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Tom-Martino

[Xenon-designer]

Hi to all,

I believe Tom Martino take his chance to attack me and our company through the annoncement made by our Australian distributor from our last Breaking news.
So i have to answer, and put back some real truth here about Tom Martino.
Tom, you are a lovely guy, very able in talkings and mind manipulation, in fact it is part of your job :
Tom Martino is a consumer advocate and U.S. talk radio host. His nationally syndicated show "The Troubleshooter Show" airs from KHOW, based in Denver, Colorado. His show format focuses on callers who give him specific complaints about businesses. Martino investigates the complaints by contacting the other party in disputes when possible; he then gives advice and solicits comments from callers. The show began over 30 years ago and was syndicated nationally around 2001. Martino claims that over the years, he has recovered millions of dollars in cash, merchandise, and services for consumers who contact him.
(extract of his bio published on internet)
Fine.
Why dont you also tell that you did not follow the Celier Aviation rules by pushing people to modify their machines in way we may not agree ?? You have written some kind of bulletin services looking like, You have placed yourself in a Xenon gourou place, fine with me, but why dont you ever call us ?? To propose ideas and modifications, i believe some of them are great...i want here to be fair as you did for some... but you do the mods on your own, as per general aviation rules, a modified product is NOT anymore an original, nor covered by anymore warranty...
You talk about your propeller you send to us for repair, as i always said to you it was my pleasure to help you. Unfortunately you sent the propeller with a custom value, instead of writing for repair only, our customs in Poland asked for a giant fee that we should pay to get a damaged prop...not good,this is why it was not accepted. So please do not treat a liar, when you don't know how to send goods...

I am not pissed of about you at all Tom, I am intelligent enough to pass on such things. And i believe you are also intelligent enough to correct whatever negative you can say.
You are kindly invited, i will insist,to visit our factory, i want you to judge our quality, our service, our improvements. We have since you got your machine deeply worked to improve so many things. You would be surprised. Feel free to call me anytime, to discuss as many things as you wish.
I would appreciate you be more friendly here, this forum have too much of fights and bad words...
We, at CELIER Aviation, are a welded team of dedicated people to work with heart and passion. Our culture is far different than in the USA.
So PLEASE : come to us, gauge with your eyes...
Do not judge from so far.
I want to thanks you for loving this machine, you have in this forum made some great comments, some performances demonstration. You are the head of the Xenon-owner website, you should be as per our distributor Mike Bantum, our strong link for the USA. I believe in communication and service. Lets work together to do things better.

A note concerning our ECO versions. Yes it is the same great base, improved on quality details, as all of us, we learn from some always possible mistakes. So, yes it is a stripped down version, with just the right stuff to fly. As Tom and many others have said, the Xenon is a stable, safe performant platform. We just want to make it affordable to more people. We then also open the door to our distributors for customisation, extra finishes...

Thanks to read me,

[Gyro_Kai]

Raphael,

thank you for this calm and, as far as I can judge, sincere reponse.

I can say, from the Xenon owners I know here in Germany that they are happy with the support they get. I hope, that you guys can get together and work out your differences to continue and make this great machine fly (not that it needs help on the subject).

I value both of you and hate to see you fight.

Kai.

[Dmorris]

Kai,

How many Xenons are there in Germany?

[Resasi]

Always nice to get both sides of the story. Sounds as though there were some unresolved issues and perhaps missed communication/language perhaps?

Raphael you have a great product from all reports, the fact that you are addressing the cost issues in this economic climate can only help the product keep selling.

For myself I am finishing the single to take down to Kenya to try to get a comparatively cheap gyro through the bureaucratic nightmare. Get both them and myself familiar with that before attempting to risk an expensive two-seater.

I still think there is good potential for enclosed, 2 and 3 seat gyros down there.

[Gyro_Kai]

Kai,

How many Xenons are there in Germany?

Hi Dave,

I lost track, there were 6 sold in one go, where my friend also purchsed one. A couple before that and I expect a few after that as well.

Kai.

[notifly]

I'm a newbie participator to this forum although I have been following all the goings on etc. etc. for quite a few years.:wave:
I am looking forward to sharing thoughts and ideas with all you guys as I've also moved into the world of Xenon after owning 5 other Magnis over the years.
I am going over to the factory on Monday to see my Xenon being test flown before it is flown out to South Africa.
I have met Raphael earlier this year and have been corresponding with him on a daily basis. He has been forwarding me pix of every construction phase of my Xenon and I have found the communication with and response from the factory excellent at all times.
The Xenon really is a great machine and I am looking forward to owning the 5th one in South Africa!

[Resasi]

Look forward to hearing your input. With 5 previous Magnis you will be well placed to let us know how the Xenon compares. So far only Magnis in Kenya.
I like the idea of an enclosed cabin, and with doors off should give you a good approximation of semi open cockpit.

[Dmorris]

Wow, 5 Magnis and and now a Xenon. You are my new hero! I'm just in my
3rd but I've got feelers out for #4. I think you will really like your Xenon. There are some tips and flying techniques that will probably be helpful on the Xenon Owners website. I'm really excited for you. I could hardly sleep in the weeks leading up to getting mine.

[notifly]

Yes I know about the Magnis in Kenya , our Eric Torr goes over there to do the MPIs. Won't be long now before the first Xenon :whoo:
David I have been following your Xenon experience on this forum and u tube videos right from day 1 ! I know how you must have felt back then !!
I imported the 4th Magni M16 narrow body in South Africa back in 1999 and there are just under 200 flying here at the moment. Since then I switched to the wide body ( had 3 of those ) and then the M22.
I come from a fixed wing background ( Arrow, Seneca and Baron E55) but since giving up flying for my business I have started flying gyros and for recreation , this is the way to go for me.
We have flown all the borders of South Africa and each year 6 of us, gyro buddies since 2000, pack our tents and do a safari somewhere into Africa with our gyros for about 10 to 14 days. We fly between 30 to 40 hrs on a trip.
Will let you know how the visit to Poland went.

[Resasi]

Who is getting the first Xenon or is that confidential?

[Rocky]

Notifly,
Glad to hear you are going to get a Xenon... I own the Silver one. Hope you are going in with your "eyes open"... Braam can give you my e-mail details if you would like to chat?
Alan

[notifly]

Hi Resasi , no I was pulling your leg ! You may still be the first Xenon owner in your country... you seem keen enough !
Thanks Alan. Weird that we haven't bumped into each other yet but I'm sure we will soon.
I am aware of and really sorry about the problems you had but hope all will be sorted out soon. I want to see you flying with me in your Xenon to Namibia soon soon ! From my humble experience , one is lucky not to have any hassles with a new craft, whatever the make ! ( been there,done that got the T shirt ! )
I am looking forward to visiting the factory, am leaving today. They have really been great so far.

[Rocky]

Notifly,
Also visited factory before purchasing, but all the promises and things we spoke about never came to much. However, Glenn and Kevin will do some more work for me in getting the craft to what standard I expect.
Please ask about "Empty weight" on RT. I don't know which one you are looking at. Mine weighs in at 317kgs (not the 285!!!)and as you have seen, not a lot of "extra".... which negates the large fuel tanks (range) with MTOW 525kg.
I would love to join you on cross countries, as that was the main reason for getting the Xenon.
Have a great trip to the factory.
Alan

[GyroRon]

It is too bad you can't buy a Xenon here in the USA, had a wealthy guy stop by a few weeks ago that wants a gyro and I showed him pictures of the Xenon, telling him it is the best enclosed gyro on the market. He could have paid cash for one right on the spot. He flew in to my airport to see me in a Diesel engine powered Cessna, and talked about how he owned several other airplanes. He wants the gyro to fly here in the states and also take to Africa where he does some charity / missionary work, to use to fly from village to village.

Right now he is currently looking for a Air and space 18A since he can't get a Xenon

[GyroRon]

http://www.smaengines.com/spip.php?id_rubrique=1&id_article=7 that is the engine in the guys airplane. Was pretty sweet sounding....

[Resasi]

Ron do you know what part of Africa he was flying in?

[danmcgee]

Hey are we goint to post some pics here of this new aircraft version of the Xenone, I would like to see what all the highp is about.

Dan

[Resasi]

You might find some here on their website Dan.

http://www.celieraviation.eu/

[notifly]

So I'm back from a bitterly cold Poland. In South Africa we don't fully appreciate the term "cold".

My visit was very enjoyable and productive and I managed to sort out most of what we set out to do. The aircraft was completed according to all my specs and ready to fly within the promissed production time by the factory ( 6 weeks).

I was accompanied by a very experienced colleague who instructs on gyros and flies Magnis, Elas, Xenon etc commercially in South Africa. He has a company that patrols power lines by gyroplane for Transnet/SA Railways and ESCOM, the national SA power supplier under contract . They fly 1000's of gyro hours per year, by day and night , to combat cable theft.

I did my conversion with him in Poland on my own machine in snow , rain , mist and ... cold , very cold conditions.

Thanks to the Xenon's heater however, it was a very comfortable and pleasant experience. We put a total of 10 hours on the gyro.

The odyssey , at some stage, registered airspeeds of 124mph and climb rates of 1200 fpm at 62mph.
We comfortably cruised at 90 mph at 4900 rpm, 34 inch.on the RST.
Ok ... @300 ft msl and cold temps but still not too shabby at all I would say ???

There were still a few minor cosmetic issues to be looked at when I left the factory where the aircraft is being dismantled for shipping. I have had feedback from the factory this morning and it seems that all outstanding matters have been addressed.

As far as the engine is concerned ; it performed very well , has a lot of "oemff "and I am satisfied and comfortable at this stage that I have made the right choice in the RST.

Yes, it must still prove itself but one can not always start your game at the top of the foodchain. Us, first RST guys ,will have to accept that we are part of the pioneer group or am I unaware of other RSTs at 500+ hours?
There is however nothing at this stage to disprove the Factories faith and trust in the engin with it's turbo configuration. ( I am aware of past problems with the gearbox but believe this has been sorted)

My Xenon also weighs in at around 317kg so here comes my yearly January diet in March. I am going to lose plenty kilos where it counts. I've been overweight for far too long now and this is just the excuse I have been waiting for ! My Magni also weighs 317 kg (extra oil pres valves, thermostats, pneumatic prerotator, loaded intrument panel with AH, Garmin 250xl radio/comm/gps , carpets etc etc... it adds up quickly)
With the Xenon and Odyssey I need no extras as it already has it all .

Does the Xenon fly better than the Magni ? You cannot compare as Xenon is a totally different machine!

The huge cabin space and leather seating makes the cockpit an extremely comfortable environment. The controls are pleasantly light and responsive.a Little more rudder input than Magni is required but I prefer this as you get the feeling that you are actually flying/piloting the machine and not just a pax in your own aircraft.

You can however fly hands off and take your feet off the rudder and she will fly straight and level so the basic set up in the factory has been done well.

Piloting the side by side as oposed to a tandem requires no special adapting. Maybe ones fixed wing background played a role here but the conversion was more to get the feel of the lighter, more responsive controls and rudder input required especially on take off , judging the height of your flare, sussing out the Odyssey... No big deal otherwise.

The Odessey EFIS system is fantastic. What a pleasure !... and it looks so great in the cockpit too ! Well done to the proudly South African guys from Somerset-West !

A Piper is not better than a Cessna, it's different. You can crunch numbers to compare performances etc. but in the end one needs to ask yourself what it is that you want in an aircraft.

With the big 6 zero around the corner for me, I am very happy not to have to pad myself anymore with bulky flightsuits, gloves, don helmet and carefully ease myself and the odd stiff joint into a gyro pod on an early winters morning, bearing in mind that I have to manoeuvre myself out again after a 2 hour flight!

Won't I miss the "open cockpit / motorbike in the sky " feeling of a tandem , especially in Summer t shirt flying weather????

I tried the Xenon with it doors removed a while back in SA ( not in Poland !!!) and the sensation of openess was great. Almost like a tandem with a huge screen but more protected from the wind and the elements. The other experienced Xenon owners know much more about flying with the doors off and will be more qualified than me to offer an opinion. It was fine for me but you may have a bit of buffeting in the cabin at high speeds ?


I love the clear easy communication in the Xenon with your pax next to you in a much quieter, more spacious and comfortable environment than a tandem cockpit. The Filser's intercom is by far the clearest I have ever experienced in a gyro. No windnoise on the mike here !

I love the luxurious look and feel of the Xenon cockpit. It is nicely finished and designed for looks and comfort. I enjoyed being able to spec the color of my gyro and the leather seats.

It's great being able to see the ground below you in flight ,thanks to the large nose windows. It adds to the pleasant sensation one gets in the cockpit. You really do feel cosy,safe and secure in this closed cockpit environment.

My Xenon should be shipped next week and once it arrives I will try to give a complete unbiased report of my experience with the factory from my decision to buy until delivery.

[Rocky]

Notifly,
Welcome home and Yes our warmer weather sure beats that cold rainy stuff. Great post and so glad you had a great time out in Poland. You seem very happy with your purchase, well done. I have spend a number of hours in mine lately and am really enjoying it. The side by side, no wind and been able to fly just as you are makes it fantastic. Will have to co-ordinate at visit to Tedderfield.
Alan

[notifly]

Looking forward to that Alan ! Ill let you know when she arrives and we start putting the mast and tail back on again then you can fly over from Krugersd. Ill have the braai going and we can compare and chat.

[Resasi]

Sounds like the Boerewurst will take a doennering.

Nice write up. It sounds as though you had a good trip and enjoyed the transition training and collecting your new bird. It is really good to be able to get to the factory and watch them hands on on your machine. Have picked up a couple of new aircraft and I believe it makes a lot of difference.

Yes bulky flight suits and helmets can begin to become less fun, particularly in a hot climate although I believe it can get chilly down South. Doors off should still give you the open cockpit feel.

The Odyssey certainly is an impressive piece of kit, like all 'glass' takes time to get the full potential out of it but a real 'all in one' box.

Best of luck and enjoy.

[Learjet]

Notifly, congratulations on your new Xenon! I've been following your experience and impression of it with great interest and having returned last week from a 5000km / 50hr round trip from Cape Town to Botswana in my Magni I must confess that the benefits of an enclosed side by side gyro are becoming more attractive. Flying via Sutherland was chilly to put it mildly...
Regards, Dave

[t-bird]

Hi Dave

I think we have met each other at one of the Islands in the Okavango.

We were 8 Gyro’s and we have done a 43 hour trip. Botswana, Chobe, Victoria falls, Kariba, Kahora Bassa and then the Islands, Paradise, Bazarotu , Bengueara and then Kruger International and then Grand Central.

We were Magni’s ,MT03,MT0 sports and Ela 08s.

We all agreed that open cockpit was the only way especially in Zambia and Mozambic.

Maybe south of the Johannesburg a closed cockpit would be nice.

Cheers

Callie

[Learjet]

Hi Callie - good to hear you guys had a great trip. It was a nice surprise to have all our gyros meet up unexpectedly at Serondela - who would have thought in the middle of the African wilds! Must agree that having the open cockpit was great in Bots and flying across the Kalahari but we froze our nuts off crossing the escarpment at Sutherland. Brrrr!
Dave

[troed@aon.at]

Hi David !

You should switch to the M24 Orion. This bird is incredibly fantastic. Just imagine a M22 enclosed then You know how You fly in a M24. Till now gyroing was local fun for me but with M24 it is local fun AND long range yourneys with the comfort of a biz-class airliner seat.

When do You get the first M24 down to SA ?

Angelo

[PTKay]

Notifly,

I am not sure, but I think you and your gyro were the stars of this article.

http://www.logo24.pl/Logo24/1,86375,6526539,Czlowiek_musi_sobie_czasami_polata c.html

It is the web version of the article in the trend magazine LOGO
already mentioned on the Celier Aviation web page.

Sorry, it is in Polish, but pictures are nice. :)

[PTKay]

Just the pics from the article.

[notifly]

Gee guys I haven't been on this forum for some time. Very very happy with my Xenon. I've clocked up 80 hrs in 4 months and loving every second.
The Gyro has been featured on national television and there is a nice article in the latest African Pilot. I'm doing my first Safari with her to Namaqualand in 3 weeks time and will be doing a 25 hr roundtrip with the new 70lts extra long range tank which takes care of all the far away landing spots with no fuel !
I have been posting all my experiences to date since my Xenon arrived on

http://microlighters.co.za/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=5037&sid=315c86411c16efc25e4e28600cdfa170&start=210

Factory and Raphael have been great. I LOVE this machine !!!

[Xenon-designer]

ATTENTION everyone, CELIER AVIATION is releasing a brand new website, same URL : www.celieraviation.eu lots of articles and new fonctions. 3 New models are also in the tube, they will be released in spring time.

We are proud to annonce also that the factory is well growing, total employees is now 25, and a brand new factory is under construction on our private airfield, near by our actual building. This new place is 3000 square meters, plus 700 sqm of offices, plus shop, plus petrol station, plus hotel 5 stars with multiservices for GA and gyros of course.

Production goes well and stable with 3 / 4 machines a month, but it shall increase soon with the new facility. The Xenon XL (3 seats) gets its success, many are on order book.

We have also completed the new ASTM standards with the mutual collaboration with Greg Reminger, and got the FAA positive answer. We are now all waiting patiently that the FAA will release this new protocol. It has been a long lasting procedure, we spent here 1560 hours to prepare the ASTM. But as at CELIER Aviation we are totally dedicated to professionalism, we did not spare any energy and money to fullfill it. Quality and safety first.

As soon as it becomes again possible to imports our wonderful machines, we shall re-activate the distributor network. We shall be pleased to welcome new interested person in the group.

We have developped new technologies since, and USA pilots will be pleased to see that.
We are more than ever dedicated to gyros. More simple and more affordable models are in preparation...Wait and see...

To all our Xenon users, fans, enthousiasts, we say thanks, and see you soon in the USA skies !!
Raphael CELIER