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Thomas
08-09-2004, 05:30 PM
Blue skies to all,

I have been scanning the post for a little while but refrained from making any comments because I am very new to the ultraLight and ultraSport scene. I have a commercial helicopter and fix wing (s.e.l.) rating and have been wondering if there are any machines you might have heard of that are a hybrid of gyro-heli-plane? I have been out of the sky for many years and the new attention given to the ultraLight community has sparked by interest in getting back into flying as more pleasure than work.

As such I have had some ideas bouncing around in my head over these years and wonder how feasible some of these ideas really are. I worked out a schematic for a control system design that is kinda complicataed but seems to be doable. My question; is the integrated mechanics of such a beast feasible?

The idea is to eliminate the aniti-torque provided by a tail rotor, which is a drag on power, and eliminate the airspeed restriction caused by retreating blade stall. The added power could be applied to forward airspeed enhanced by fixed airfoils doubling as engine mounts thereby reducing the load on the rotor disk at higher speeds.

The two counter rotating push props would act as both thrust and anti torque. A third engine would be belted to the rotor mast enabling the craft to hover. Once forward airspeed reaches a minimum the rotor drive can be dissengaged making the vehicle a gyro. As higher airspeeds are reached the wing assembly, mounting the thrust engines, would reach their maximun lift capacity at cruising speeds and the load could be taken off the rotor disk. Forward airspeeds then could be increased with reduced non productive drag (by eliminating a tail rotor) and parasitic drag (by reducing the rotor disk loading).

Has anyone heard of this and what do you think might be the problem with attempting to build such a thing?

Thanks.

Thomas (http://thomas-retzlaff.tripod.com/index.html)
Always Looking for Work

Chuck Roberg
08-10-2004, 03:47 AM
Have you checked out the Carter Copter Site?

http://www.cartercopters.com/

Can't quite hover but they seem to have the retreating blade stall problem solved.

Thomas
08-10-2004, 04:45 PM
Have you checked out the Carter Copter Site?

http://www.cartercopters.com/

Can't quite hover but they seem to have the retreating blade stall problem solved.

Yeah, I am quite interested in the Carter Brothers. I have been trying to get a job with them in their distribution/sales office but no luck. They are going after the military contracts. One problem with Carter is they use weighted rotor blade tips to store inertia for vertical take off.

My idea is able to do hovering maneuvers while capable, also, to provide high end airspeeds. Carter had a lot of finance to test its design all I have is an idea. So far I have not talked with anyone who has either built a hybrid in an ultraLight form or desinged one for production. The Russians have a heavy lift version of this type but nothing designed for personal use.

It has to start some place and the big manufacturers are sticking with traditional blueprints reluctant to re-tool without financial incentive. The mini market is the only other outlet. There is nothing complicated about the idea but it would take a bit of engineering to fashion the integrated control system.

By eliminated the tail section you cut out almost 30% dead weight and all the power is applied to forward airspeed. I have an alternative also that is an even more simple design but I need to find out what is out there now to expand the idea and find people with like interests.

You reduce retreating blade stall by unloading the rotor disk. That is why you need a fixed wing assembly to maintain lift at higher speeds. The gyro is good only at low speeds while the wings take over at higher speeds.

Rotor Rooter
01-02-2005, 11:29 AM
Thomas,

This is a very belated reply, but if you are still scanning .....

The objectives of the following rotorcraft concept are similar to yours. You might find some of the information of value.

UniCopter (http://www.synchrolite.com/UniCopter.html)


Dave Jackson

Thomas
01-06-2005, 11:45 AM
Thomas,
This is a very belated reply, but if you are still scanning .....

The objectives of the following rotorcraft concept are similar to yours. You might find some of the information of value.
UniCopter (http://www.synchrolite.com/UniCopter.html)
Dave Jackson

Hi Dave,

Could not access the URL you posted but I did access your web page, very nice. Would you mind if I forward the page to some other enthusiast who are working along the same concept lines as you? It will take some time for me to digest the page content and I know the others would be very interested in writing you.
Thomas

Rotor Rooter
01-06-2005, 02:08 PM
Hi Thomas,

You are certainly welcome to use the information on the web site in any way you wish.
All posts or e-mails welcomed. :)

Incidentally, the first step, in a series of progressive steps, is being taken toward an eventual UniCopter. This project is introduced in a separate new thread entitled 'From Scratchpad to Helipad'.

Dave Jackson