Finally done!

[joeheli]

Well after or the pain, suffer , and time. I finally finish my rebuilt. :D

[joeheli]

this one two

[joeheli]

another picture

[joeheli]

I will like to dedicate this machine to: Chuck Irby, Rick, GyroMike and Charles Peterson. This guys were great helping me rebuilding this machine with out plans, THANK YOU GUYS!!. It still allote to do but the important thing:
"IS FLYIN". "IS ALIVE! ,IS ALIVE!"

[joeheli]

I can tell you That I will recommend the CDI system to ANYONE that has A Mac engine. With out it, was a pain in the A_ _! but know it start quick, and it idles, something imposible on a mac. Thank you Rick!

[Chuck Irby]

Way to go, Jose! You did a great job, my friend! I'm proud of you!

[KenSandyEggo]

Congratulations Joe.

[gyromike]

Congratulations amigo!http://www.dodgetrucks.org/forums/images/smiles/icon_beerchug.gif

Glad I could help.

[joeheli]

Thank you guys! YOU GUYS ARE #1

[Heron]

Did you name it already?
Way to go Jose . . .fly away!!!
Heron

[joeheli]

Not yet! Like I say before I still have to do some things, some of it is Make a airbrush
paint on my rudder ( I do airbrushing!) and deside the name . Other than that New 6x6 Hance wheels, Brakes etc. etc. By the way that was the seat tank you sold me.
It looks new now.

[Chuck Irby]

Jose, are you still training? You haven't soloed yet, have you?

Who was flying your machine?

[joeheli]

No still not!. Right now I am just running my machine on the 2 main wheels. The picture that you see my machine flyin is not me, is a friend of mine that fly's gyro.

[Chuck Irby]

Okay, Jose. Please don't get too fast and let that machine get off the ground before you're ready. That happened to me. It got off the ground before I was ready and I tore it up. So just be super careful till your instructor tells you that ypu're ready to get off the ground. This is very important, Jose!

[joeheli]

Don't worry I always follow your intruction. Anyway after all that work that I have done rebuilding my gyro, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO CRASH IT

[barnstorm2]

Very nice!

[GyroRon]

Now where is my video you crazy bastard! :)

[Rick Whittridge]

Congrats to you Jose, It`s good to see you have finished your machine. Please be carefull & take it easy OK. Remember there will be no Wine until it is time! Good things come to those who have PATIENCE!

( GO GO GO FOR IT JOSE! ) ;)

[Chuck Irby]

Uhh, . . . Ron, . . . Is that some kind of a private joke, . . . or what?

[joeheli]

Well Chuck the problem is that on Bensen day I took some video or Ron and another guy kissing and he want to revive the moment again. (NO I AM JUST JOKING GUYS!)
It a video that I took of Ron flyin a dominator and his plane. I did send it but they send it back to me as insufficient adress. Ron I was goin to tell you that I receive the video back. Please tell me What the hell is your address bastard!. Don't give me your old boyfriend address. JA!JA!

[Chuck Irby]

Okay, now I get it. Pretty good one, Jose. You do have a good sense of humor.

Jose, have you considered putting a stab on your machine?

[GyroRon]

My Address is.... Ron Awad
10311 Silver Mine Rd.
Fort Mill South Carolina 29715

And yes I think you should move that rock guard all the way to the end of the tail, under the rudder.

[joeheli]

What do you mean about a "stab" Chuck. And Ron Why should I move it?

[GyroRon]

Jose, move the rock guard to the rear of the keel. It will act as a Stab and help make your gyro more stable.

[Chuck Irby]

Jose, where it is now, it's not a stabilizer, just a rock guard. In order for it to give you any significant stabilization, it needs to be under the rudder. To get the maximum benefit, the center of the prop wash would be the best location. Look at pictures on the forum of other gyro's.

[Chuck Irby]

Jose, here's a great example of what I was trying to convey to you in the last post.

[joeheli]

Ok!... I just saw what you mean. Where I can get that tail with the fin?

[Chuck Irby]

Jose, this is from one of Screw's poats:

"First Modification right off the bat was a Ron Herron "T" Tail."


Jose, that tail would be pretty easy to build.

[Brian Jackson]

Are there detailed plans online anywhere for tails similar to that one?

[Dean_Dolph]

Ha! Brian, you have visited with the gyro heads long enough now that, your Da Vinci gene is starting to talk to you.

If I'm not mistaken, you said you were going to build a 'stock' GyroBee. If so, then the highly respected, well proven Watson tail that is part of the package is the one that should be used on that machine. Ralph and Doug have given testimony about its effectiveness. I suspect it is more effective than the T tail but that is my uneducated opinion.

Consequently when a tail mod is made to an older design like this one I would think that the Watson tail would be in the running for consideration. But then there may be something in this, and other, applications that make it a poor choice. I haven't built either one, but I suspect that the Herron T-Tail is easier to build.

Well, I managed to not completely hijack this thread by throwing in another possible choice.

[Chuck Irby]

Hey Dean, I wouldn't worry about the hijacking. That's high on our list of forte's. :D

[Screw]

Screw-In

Jose, You can just move your Rock Guard back under the fin easy enough. If you want a "T" Tail, here is the link, or call Ron Herron.

http://www.littlewingautogyro.com/tail.html

Thanks for the props Chuck!

Screw-Out

[joeheli]

Thank you guys!

[Caribean_gyro]

I curious. SCrew/Ron/Chuck I have some questions

1: what was your first gyro
2: did you modify it after learning on it or before.
3: On what type of 2 seater you trained.

Just want to understand the background to you modification request.

ChuckP

[Screw]

Screw-In

1. Ken Brock KB-2 AKA "DaScrew-Driver."

2. Made tail modification right off the bat. (Before)

3. Parsons 4

Most mods I made later, were in refferance to enigne overheating and instrument pod replacement.

Srew-Out

[GyroRon]

I trained in a Parsons with Mazda engine, short stop sign rudder and no stab. My first gyro was a 6 inch drop keel homemade Bensen Copy with a direct drive subaru, It was nearly centerline thrust. It had no stab but did have a rockguard. and I installed a tall tail rudder only before I ever flew it.

[Caribean_gyro]

Ok you trained in a bensen machine with a stabilizer. Forget is a rock guard is a stabilizer. Not as effective as Scott or ernies tails but works. Jose only have a couple of hours in a dual machine and he is using the bensen teaching methode.

I wont enter in a methode debate. My concern is that without prior experience we tell people that they should do this or that. I have flown bensen ,air comand and KB2 without the "rock guard" and it swing under the blade on up draft. Now when you put the "rockguard" back it fly smoother. Can It fly smoother if we modify it of course.

But lets first undertand the machine, learn to fly it and then we can make enhancements. If I take the same modification aproach we should tell all the persons buying a CTL aircomand with the low tail to not fly it until you have a tall tail.

Bottom line we need to understand the capabilities of each gyro and owner. Do's and dont's and then AFter you have learn to fly it , if you want to cut it and glue it with elmer glue is your choice.

Chuck P.

[joeheli]

Well, I think Chuck P. is wright. I just goin to keep learnning this way maybe later I will
Change to the other rudder. Thank you guys!

[Chuck Irby]

Chuck P, I disagree with your last post. If the machine is made safer before Jose solos in it, then there is less of a chance that he will have problems in the transition process.

[GyroRon]

Who would havve guessed......?...... I disagree as well.

Jose's machine being a normal bensen with a seattank and a mac engine does not have a huge trust offset. It is not a wicked basket of snakes. But it is still not a very stable gyro and can still buntover if Jose gets into a PIO and doesn't pull power back.

Adding a proper horizontal stab will only make his machine safer for him to fly. RIGHT NOW is when jose could use the easiest and safest machine to fly. Not later. I mean think about it....???!!! Later he will be more experienced and will be less likely to get into trouble. Now he is new to the air and MOST likely to get in trouble.

You guys must just not want to do further mods to the gyro. Sounds like Jose just wants to fly. That is fine.... His machine isn't a super high powered, high trustline killer. He will probably do just fine as the machine is. BUT he can only do better with a more stable gyro. Putting a effective stab on his machine will make his Bensen More stable, That I believe we all agree on.


Jose, when will I ever get that video tape? Please send it soon. I sold my Phantom and need to see upside down again! :)

[Brent_Brown]

I disagree with C.P. too. I put a tall tail on my KB2+ before it got off the ground. I didn't want to feel how bad it could be just how good it was. If it had a overhead stick would you feel the same.

[Caribean_gyro]

You are entitle to disagree this is what this sport is all about. But as Ron stated Jose "gets into a PIO and doesn't pull power back[U]. This is a pilot duty no machine.

DOnt take me wrong I am in favor of stability. But I also I am in favor of learning to fly all machine and in diferent weather situation. If you learn to fly a stable machine and jum to a no such stable machine you will no know how to manage it. Unless you trained and tarine with a good instructor and remember his advice power out ,level , regain control, calm down and resumed flight.

ChuckP

[Caribean_gyro]

brent over head stick yes if that was what Ken was flying. But he had a diferent stick vs, bensen and the other guys. Evry person I knew told me this stick was going to kill me. Gues what is the stick of choice now on all the gyro manufacturer.

chuckP

[Chuck Irby]

So Chuck, you're telling me that Jose is training in an unstable machine and he should solo in an unstable machine. Is this correct? Our point is that the more stable Jose's machine is, the less the chance is that he will get into a PPO or PIO situation. We are trying to promote safety here, nothing else.

[Caribean_gyro]

Jose is training in a low profile machine. That have flying charasteristics diferent from a high profile machine. My point is that he :
1: most understand his gyro flying capabilities
2: he must get proper training in PIO/PPO
3: He must do a self analisis of his capabilities and urge to fly.

I dont feel the low profile machine is for every one. But he has proven to be a clam and mentally(?) stable person. He has taken his learning lessons a step at a time. I still feel he need more dual but this is up to each individual.

Chuck

[Chuck Irby]

Chuck, no one was trying to change, or even suggesting that Jose change, his machine to a high profile. We simply are saying that it would be a safer machine with a horizontal stab.

[joeheli]

Hey guys sorry to change the Hot!! topic. But I have some more picture here. :D :D

[joeheli]

Just look at the gyro NOT ME!. I know I am beautifull but I am MARRIED guys.... Them I need a haircut! :mad:

[gyromike]

Jose,

By all means, slide that rock guard all the way back to the tailwheel and mount it there.

I have flown (back-to-back) a KB-2 without a stabilizer, and my Bensen with the butterfly rock guard slid back to the tail wheel. The difference is very noticable. Mine is much more stable in gusty conditions, and does not tend to lag behind or overshoot in pitch.

Mount that flat plate up in the prop wash, and it'll be even more effective.

[joeheli]

There is me Changing the power steering fluid. :D

[joeheli]

Thank you Mike for the pic!

[joeheli]

I try to post it like the other ones but I can't. The program tells me is to big!

[joeheli]

Maybe Mike coud help me. He is the Picture tech. from this site.

[gyromike]

Jose,

I enlarged your picture by 200%. That's about as large as I can get it, without the picture getting blurry.

[joeheli]

Do you what me to send the picture to your email?

[GyroRon]

Jose is a clam! lol

[GyroRon]

Chuck I thought you were as observant as me??? Look in Charles Petersons post above where he said Jose was a clam and was mentally stable

[Caribean_gyro]

see I dont have to spell it right to get it across. Ron is flying too much fix wing to the sew saw in my wording

[gyromike]

Enough is enough!

Ron & Jose,

I have deleted (permanently) all the cutesy pictures from ebaumsworld.

Take it to email if you want to keep posting these pictures.
You're eating up bandwidth.


Over and out,

[joeheli]

Sorry Mike :( . we were just having fun!! :D

[GyroRon]

See I told you we would get in trouble.

[joeheli]

Shut up Crybaby :D ! Well I think I already took the tutorial of how to post the picture. let see... :(

[joeheli]

Wow! Thank you Todd for the tutorial. It really works!
I will keep posting later more pictures.

[joeheli]

Theres other one! If youy can see, I place a satelite radio system on top of of rotohead :D .

[joeheli]

Thers onother picture.

[joeheli]

This is the way it use to be.

[gyromike]

Lookin' good Jose.

Could you post a picture of the exhaust manifold as it attaches to the cylinders?

[joeheli]

No problem Mike .I will post some picture of it later.

[joeheli]

Does exhaust manifold give the engine better flow and more HP alone.This is made from a guy here, he is a racing car mecanich and flys gyro too. This manifold in conjuntion with a Muffler he made(not the one post on the picture) give it more
HP to the engine. I just told he guy to make one of dose muffler to me, now that I already have his the exhaust manifold already, I just need his muffler . I think I have a picture of the muffler let me check...

[Chuck Irby]

Looking real good, Jose.

Don't forget to move the rock guard back.

[joeheli]

I just finish doing a paint desing on mu rudder. I will post some more picture later.

[Caribean_gyro]

Jose I am going to start charging you for using my pics. This at least will give me money to buy beers.

chuckp

[birdy]

I reckon maybe Jose wan'ts to chase cows,and don't want to move his rock guard :rolleyes: :D

[joeheli]

Hey! Charles I think you have on your home page a pic of the muffler that I am talking about. Is the one that looks like a gas cylinder. Can you post it for Mike?

[Caribean_gyro]

attached a pic of 1 gyro with thjis muffler. The art is in the manifold construction

[gyromike]

Looks like a freon can muffler.

[joeheli]

But It give you More POWERRRR! :eek: :D :D :D

[joeheli]

let me see if I can get a closer picture tomorrow of the exa. manifold.

[joeheli]

Talking about my rock guard position theres some info I found. I just copy and paste from Mikes PRA Chapter:

"Evaluation of the Horizontal Stabilizer for the RAF2000.
Recently, one of my students returned for some additional flight training. After having spent several hours training with three different instructors in RAF machines, mine included, he became very frustrated with his lack of progress and had decided to postpone more training. Upon his return I learned he had added a horizontal stabilizer to his RAF. This gave me an opportunity to make my own evaluation of this controversial equipment. Within four hours training, this student who had such prior difficulty with unstable pitching was making good, consistent take off and landings. This was accomplished in 10-15 mph wind, some cross wind.

The following is my evaluation of the horizontal stabilizers affect in various maneuvers:

Take off and landings with flights over the runway in and out of ground effect at 50 to 75 mph. Very stable, no up or down pitch tendency. Any uncontrolled vertical movement was noted to be flat, no pitching.
Vertical descents and turns with low and high power settings at various airspeeds were flat and stable with no pitching.
At 400 feet reduce power to zero thrust, maintain 60 mph descending through 180 degree turn, flare to land. The rate of descent felt normal, very solid throughout the maneuver. One significant difference was in the flare. With out the horizontal stabilizer, the procedure I teach is a two stage flare with the initial flare for transition from a descent to a horizontal flight path over the runway in ground effect. As the airspeed bleeds off the final flare is performed. Of course each time you move the cyclic the nose does its up and down pitching . With the horizontal stabilizer, the landing can be accomplished with one flare and is much easier for the student to master.
During my evaluation flight I did not encounter any negative effects of the horizontal stabilizer, even in steep climbs and steep turns. I first flew the RAF with the stabilizer, then flew my RAF without a stabilizer, paying particular attention to the nose up and down motion. While it's natural for an experienced pilot to adjust to this motion, you can't expect this from the student.

With so much experience, it's very easy for instructors to instinctively compensate with minor adjustments that are beyond a students level of skill. Using a horizontal stabilizer will enable students to achieve good, safe, flying skills with less frustration and fewer hours of training. I see no reason for it to take 25 hours of training to fly a gyroplane. Over the last twenty five years, I've trained several hundred students in fewer hours using Benson style gyros with no enclosures. Instability in the rotor craft has a direct impact on the students confidence that he or she will be able to successfully learn to fly the gyroplane.

Ron Menzie
CFI Designated Pilot Examiner"

looking at this report. Using a horizontal stabilizer on the bottom of my rudder will enable me to achieve good, safe, flying skills with less frustration and fewer hours of training. Good point! :D So If I place my Rock guard back will make my gyro that way? And if I make my bensen CLT with help more too? :confused:

[Chuck Irby]

You understand it correctly, Jose!

[joeheli]

Thank you Chuck.

[joeheli]

theres the picture Mike :D

[StanFoster]

Joe: Thanks for posting that statement by Ron Menzie. I had talked to Ron last winter ....my concerns were how satisified I would be with my RAF with a Parham stab. Ron gave me so much confidence after a few phone calls...that I had almost no doubt I would be satisfied and very comfortable in my RAF.

I still feel the bashing the RAF/with a stab receives is way overblown. They fly beautifully. Thats why I am buying another one. :)

Stan

[joeheli]

I just finish my rudder. I just made that desing myself and I paint it with spray paint. I was goint to do it with airbrush but the tail is to big for that big desing. So I just remmember when I use to live in Florida on my bad days :mad: and I use to paint on walls :D .

[joeheli]

Well this is my altimeter,compast,barometer,outside tem.inside temp. etc.. :D
Stan I am glad the info help you :D . It did help me understand myself alote of things too.

Well... That is it for now, I will keep posting more picture later.

[gyromike]

Thanks Jose!

[joeheli]

Well, What you guys think so far? :confused:

[Chuck Irby]

Lookin' good, Jose. When are you going to move the rock guard?

[joeheli]

I will do it next week! Chuck