Dennis Fetters on Notice

[ToddP]

After the last couple days and some private exchanges between Dennis and myself, I've sent him the following message:

Dennis,

You can insult me all you want. However, I see you insult one more person on this forum and you're gone.

This shouldn't take long.


Please let Mike or I know when it happens.

Thanks,

Todd

[DennisFetters]

After the last couple days and some private exchanges between Dennis and myself, I've sent him the following message:
Please let Mike or I know when it happens.
Thanks,
Todd

Well, it seems like I have finally and undeniably made my point here.

Fairness is not a possibility, and just as soon as I present evidence that is completely contrary to what these people were saying all these years, it's taken down and I'm knocked down from being a Gold Supporter of this group because the monitor wants too. Like I said, fine, it's his newsgroup, he makes the rules to play the game.

So now the game rules are clear. Those of you that have criticized me all these years may continue to be degrading, insulting and belittle me anyway you want to. While on the other hand if I stand up to you in kind even one more time I'm out if here. Fine, I can live with that new rule.

This group has allowed, and been a part of trying to destroy my good name and my accomplishments in aviation. Accomplishments that the majority of you enjoy each and every time you strap on your aircrafts, one way or the other.

It is my burden, and my right, and my duty to myself and those that believe in me to correct the wrong that some of you here are guilty of by making up these vicious roomers, or by spreading them without knowing the true facts. It's not a job I want, but it's a job that needs done, and as always, I'm the one to do it.

I have entered many battles in my life, and few were ever fought against me fairly, so unfairness of my advisories has never been a deciding factor if I were to enter battle or not. In fact, I can't remember ever entering a battle where I had the upper hand, but even though, I can count on one hand and still have a few fingers left of the battles I've lost.

So there you have it. You have a free and clear go-ahead from the powers that be to continue to belittle me in any way that you want, and I can't belittle you back. Same game as before, just I can't respond in kind. So have at it, take your free strikes at the man that was in the magazines.

Did you win by cutting my legs off? No, I'll beat you using them as clubs if that's all I have left to fight with, but I will never, never surrender to Internet assassins. I will fight you with my last breath, and I will do everything in my power to out live you all so that mine is the final word of truth. I will continue to post evidence to the contrary to the negative things that people say here.

I will not fail. A mountain needs to be moved. OK, it's only just a mountain, and I'm going to move it, alone if necessary, but it will be moved.

[All_In]

Dennis could you please defend yourself without putting Todd and this site in any jeopardy. Seems you have a hard time putting yourself in Todd’s shoe’s. You can fight all you want but never cause another innocent person: legal bills, grief, concern, or one-minute loss of there time just for one person
The moment you found out it was causing Tobb’s and his family any grief you should have just removed the story and told us you were protecting Todd and solely made the other guy your fighting look like he’s a jerk you were describing.

Todd hasn’t done anything to you but you are putting him in the middle and causing him and his family a great deal of grief and bad mouthing him for your selfish actions.

If you waited to defend yourself on a thread where anyone actually said anything against you it at least would seem like your were defending yourself against something the rest of us can see happening too.
Starting a thread where none of the rest of us have a clue regarding what your defending seam’s strange to the rest of us and giving anyone else grief seems very selfish to me.

Look the bottom line: forgive and forget! Most can’t do anything about the past. Pay the people back you have hurt (if any) even if it takes a lifetime and then forget it!

Do all you can do today to do the right thing, be a good person, and never repeat past mistakes again.
That’s all any of us can do Dennis, be better today, and pay back those we have hurt!

Forget the past! Become perfect starting today everyone will notice without you saying a word from your actions!

But please: Todd didn’t wreck you business and just should be protected by you not placed in the middle to suffer so you can defend past history!

Be mad at the people who are really out to get you, if any?

[PTKay]

Do all you can do today to do the right thing, be a good person, and never repeat past mistakes again.
That’s all any of us can do Dennis, be better today, and pay back those we have hurt!


John. Amen to it.

Dennis, may God be with you.

[PTKay]

Dennis, I think you really need a therapy.

There is a precise description of your state of mind in DSM.

Q. And could you just briefly summarize how they fit into that criteria of
DSM?

A. Well, all of these manifestations for which we have a written record or
direct observational evidence or second-hand information would be examples
of the kinds of features that are required to make specific diagnosis of
narcissistic personality disorder, on the one hand, where we have to meet
the requirement of making observations of the individual having a grandiose
sense of self or uniqueness, and a need to support that sense of self.
This may be done in various ways -- through masquerading, through
manipulating, through distortion and fabrication, or outright lies.
Also there is a preoccupation with a fantasy life, which may involve
fantasies of success...

[DennisFetters]

Dennis could you please defend yourself without putting Todd and this site in any jeopardy. Seems you have a hard time putting yourself in Todd’s shoe’s. You can fight all you want but never cause another innocent person: legal bills, grief, concern, or one-minute loss of there time just for one person
The moment you found out it was causing Tobb’s and his family any grief you should have just removed the story and told us you were protecting Todd and solely made the other guy your fighting look like he’s a jerk you were describing.
Todd hasn’t done anything to you but you are putting him in the middle and causing him and his family a great deal of grief and bad mouthing him for your selfish actions.
If you waited to defend yourself on a thread where anyone actually said anything against you it at least would seem like your were defending yourself against something the rest of us can see happening too.
Starting a thread where none of the rest of us have a clue regarding what your defending seam’s strange to the rest of us and giving anyone else grief seems very selfish to me.
Look the bottom line: forgive and forget! Most can’t do anything about the past. Pay the people back you have hurt (if any) even if it takes a lifetime and then forget it!
Do all you can do today to do the right thing, be a good person, and never repeat past mistakes again.
That’s all any of us can do Dennis, be better today, and pay back those we have hurt!
Forget the past! Become perfect starting today everyone will notice without you saying a word from your actions!
But please: Todd didn’t wreck you business and just should be protected by you not placed in the middle to suffer so you can defend past history!
Be mad at the people who are really out to get you, if any?

What I posted I fell that I had the right to have done so. It was about the aircraft I designed and built, and if Jim Campbell was not trying to cover up the real story, as some here want to see also, then like everything everybody else posts here, it would have been fine.

I did not ask Jim Campbell to cause anyone trouble. It was not me that called Todd and his family time after time making threats. How was I to know this mad dog was loose in the yard? It was Jim Campbell. Did Jim Campbell get a public warning? No. Are you ridiculing Jim Campbell here in YOUR post? No.

You are new here, and I don't expect you to know about the past and whats going on here, but don't reticule me since you even admit to not know whats going on. You need to get some education before trying to lecture me. You Will see the unfairness, and you will learn as time goes on.

[DennisFetters]

Dennis, I think you really need a therapy.

There is a precise description of your state of mind in DSM.

Q. And could you just briefly summarize how they fit into that criteria of
DSM?

A. Well, all of these manifestations for which we have a written record or
direct observational evidence or second-hand information would be examples
of the kinds of features that are required to make specific diagnosis of
narcissistic personality disorder, on the one hand, where we have to meet
the requirement of making observations of the individual having a grandiose
sense of self or uniqueness, and a need to support that sense of self.
This may be done in various ways -- through masquerading, through
manipulating, through distortion and fabrication, or outright lies.
Also there is a preoccupation with a fantasy life, which may involve
fantasies of success...

Keep it coming, you are free to say anything you want, I can't fight back in kind. Just think of me as some old person in a wheelchair that you can attack, and he can't touch you back. That is the new game rules here.

[All_In]

What I posted I fell that I had the right to have done so. It was about the aircraft I designed and built, and if Jim Campbell was not trying to cover up the real story, as some here want to see also, then like everything everybody else posts here, it would have been fine.

I did not ask Jim Campbell to cause anyone trouble. It was not me that called Todd and his family time after time making threats. How was I to know this mad dog was loose in the yard? It was Jim Campbell. Did Jim Campbell get a public warning? No. Are you ridiculing Jim Campbell here in YOUR post? No.

You are new here, and I don't expect you to know about the past and whats going on here, but don't reticule me since you even admit to not know whats going on. You need to get some education before trying to lecture me. You Will see the unfairness, and you will learn as time goes on.
Dennis I don't like to degrade or diminish anyone and I wasn't trying to ridicule you in any way! I will be your friend if you let me.
I believe if I diminish anyone the world is a little worst off than if I hadn't opened my month and made anyone think less of themselves! I choose to forgive faster than you can swear at me and truly only feel sorry because you are so unhappy while you are cursing at me and making your life so much harder than those than can forgive and forget.

I don't care what happen in the past! Bad or good! I expect you to be a good person from now on and will do great things in the future and I just want to encourage you to move forward using your talents to silence your detractors.
Once you truly forgive those that hurt you all will see how evil and petty they are being and over time; They will prove it for you, but only if you don't say one unkind word!
Your Freak'n fly'n freind

[PTKay]

How was I to know this mad dog was loose in the yard? It was Jim Campbell. Did Jim Campbell get a public warning? No. Are you ridiculing Jim Campbell here in YOUR post? No.


The difference is, Jim Campbell made his valid point and quit posting.
There was no need to warn him.

But you still keep this show rolling...

Pitiful and pathetic.

[Riff Raf]

Once you truly forgive those that hurt you all will see how evil and petty they are being and over time; They will prove it for you, but only if you don't say one unkind word! John

John they will not stop going after Dennis, they have been for the years I've been lurking and signed up here and I don't know why?
Dennis had NO control over the lame people that bought kits to build
and they had no clue as to what they where doing (stupid is as stupid does) and they could afford it.
Someone always uses an other persons ideas and adds to it, gee can you think of any?
1. bicycle
2. car
3. aircraft
4. tooth brush
the list goes on and on..........
Dennis has a huge part in Rotor craft history !

[All_In]

John

John they will not stop going after Dennis, they have been for the years I've been lurking and signed up here and I don't know why?
Dennis had NO control over the lame people that bought kits to build
and they had no clue as to what they where doing (stupid is as stupid does) and they could afford it.
Someone always uses an other persons ideas and adds to it, gee can you think of any?
1. bicycle
2. car
3. aircraft
4. tooth brush
the list goes on and on..........
Dennis has a huge part in Rotor craft history !

The power of true forgiveness is not intuitive at all!

The gift it gives the one who forgives is more than just TRUE PEACE of mind! So the guy just sucked a mouth full of poop out of the septic tank and spewed it right in my face. I rather forgive them as I don’t like the taste of poop and my soul doesn’t like descending into the septic tank with them to get a mouthful to spew it back into theirs. We all have a choice, we can both eat poop and look disgusting to those watching or just your attackers can look and feel hate filled while you only feel, love, compassion, and just plane pity for them living their unhappy lives eating poop in a septic tank while your in heaven on earth with or without their approval.

[Riff Raf]

Originally Posted by all in
The power of true forgiveness is not intuitive at all!

The gift it gives the one who forgives is more than just TRUE PEACE of mind! So the guy just sucked a mouth full of poop out of the septic tank and spewed it right in my face. I rather forgive them as I don’t like the taste of poop and my soul doesn’t like descending into the septic tank with them to get a mouthful to spew it back into theirs. We all have a choice, we can both eat poop and look disgusting to those watching or just your attackers can look and feel hate filled while you only feel, love, compassion, and just plane pity for them living their unhappy lives eating poop in a septic tank while your in heaven on earth with or without their approval.

So what your saying is that Dennis had no control over stupid people sucking too much poop while building gyro kits, and not taking the time to read the instructions and warnings about flight.
and while (drunk on poop) they tried to fly a gyro? Thus while bogarting the poop for them selves and staying in their poop induced stupor crashed and now blame the person who sold them the kit?

[fiveboy]

I dont know Dennis Fetters or anything about this vendetta. I do know that I fly a modified AC Tandem (TT and CLT) and that I have seen him actually called a murderer on this forum.

I cant see any way to justify calling someone a murderer. If they were they would be imprisoned as there is no statute of limitations.

I dont know Dennis Fetters and I have no dog in this fight but I have read enough to know that he has contributed to our mutual passion as a true innovator. Some people died on Air Commands.... they have also died ( to an alarming degree to some) in RAF`s too.... but I dont see anyone associated with that machine being picked at attacked or called a murderer.

No doubt the man feels invested in what we all share so he no doubt feels he has an earned right to be included in our little clatch (which is what some of you want this to be apparently when name calling and character assassination occurs routinely). Its no wonder he's defensive!

I dont know the man, I dont know what this latest tempest in a tea cup is about but I do know that I have seen his name dragged deep through the mud and I guess my point is - why is there mud here at all?

(OBTW in the past when I have called for balance and fairness I was called a liberal do gooder who was to be ignored. So I too got shoved by the bullies into the mud of name calling. Oh my God a liberal.... RUN!).

Personally I think we should stick to issues of flying building designing and celebrating and leave the schoolyard fights at the door. And those who start or instigate them should be shunned as inappropriate to what we want to achieve here.

There has a been a lot of talk about how we can make the art and science of Gyros better known and more respected. IMHO it starts with unity and respecting each other.

Flame on. :flame:

Fiveboy

[ToddP]

Personally I think we should stick to issues of flying building designing and celebrating and leave the schoolyard fights at the door. And those who start or instigate them should be shunned as inappropriate to what we want to achieve here.


I couldn't agree more.

[All_In]

Yes, exactly, and we will never convince the poop eaters, lets not join them!
Tell the truth when a lie is mention once each then forgive and just let it go.
Do you really care what their opinion is? It's probably only worth what we paid for it, nothing!

[automan1223]

I do not know Dennis personally. I am sure he has a great following but I think you are being overly harsh. I can understand Todd that some unstable left some ugly messages on your phone similar to the Hulk Hogan drama being played out on the tv. If you were smart I would forward them to the proper authorities if they went over the line.

There have been many other pissing matches here and I am unsure as to why Dennis is being put on such a short leash now.

I believe we all believe in "freedom of speech". After all unless you are a terrorist that hates our "freedoms". I cannot see why a proud freedom loving American like yourself would cower and cotton to threats. Then again sometimes it is just not worth it.

I think the saying is "do not shoot the messenger".

If Dennis is trying to set the record straight let him do it. If someone wants to correct him then let them put forth their recollection of events. That is what makes this forum a great read with so many members.

If I know I am going to read nothing but sanitized spin, or half truths because some "bully" is throwing weight around then there will be little reason to come here and read the posts. :bored: Because it will be all political.

As long as I am your friend and do not cause any trouble, I will be allowed to post ?

There are many exceptions to the copyright rule and it is very possible Dennis has a legal right to use the material he paid for. If this Campbell guy has a beef with material he wrote and wants to retract it then let him put it up here. You do not silence critics with threats. It only makes other wonder who is infact telling the truth. Why this is important now I have no idea but Mr Fetters has as much a right to spin his history as much as the next guy is to tell him he is full of sht.

God Bless America.

Jonathan.

[All_In]

I dont know Dennis Fetters or anything about this vendetta. I do know that I fly a modified AC Tandem (TT and CLT) and that I have seen him actually called a murderer on this forum.

I cant see any way to justify calling someone a murderer. If they were they would be imprisoned as there is no statute of limitations.

I dont know Dennis Fetters and I have no dog in this fight but I have read enough to know that he has contributed to our mutual passion as a true innovator. Some people died on Air Commands.... they have also died ( to an alarming degree to some) in RAF`s too.... but I dont see anyone associated with that machine being picked at attacked or called a murderer.

No doubt the man feels invested in what we all share so he no doubt feels he has an earned right to be included in our little clatch (which is what some of you want this to be apparently when name calling and character assassination occurs routinely). Its no wonder he's defensive!

I dont know the man, I dont know what this latest tempest in a tea cup is about but I do know that I have seen his name dragged deep through the mud and I guess my point is - why is there mud here at all?

(OBTW in the past when I have called for balance and fairness I was called a liberal do gooder who was to be ignored. So I too got shoved by the bullies into the mud of name calling. Oh my God a liberal.... RUN!).

Personally I think we should stick to issues of flying building designing and celebrating and leave the schoolyard fights at the door. And those who start or instigate them should be shunned as inappropriate to what we want to achieve here.

There has a been a lot of talk about how we can make the art and science of Gyros better known and more respected. IMHO it starts with unity and respecting each other.

Flame on. :flame:

Fiveboy

Right on 'R'! I like the way you think!!!!

[Riff Raf]

So I guess it’s true (you can’t make an omelet without braking a few eggs) But don’t put poop in your eggs, Or in one basket!
Holy bat guano, now anyone with a grudge will get to shoot at Dennis while he is forced to stand there without a bulletproofed vest at least give him a chance to shoot back, as long as he does not harm this form!

[All_In]

So I guess it’s true (you can’t make an omelet without braking a few eggs) But don’t put poop in your eggs, Or in one basket!
Holy bat guano, now anyone with a grudge will get to shoot at Dennis while he is forced to stand there without a bulletproofed vest at least give him a chance to shoot back, as long as he does not harm this form!You can always tell the truth without stooping to their level and being hateful back!


PS: You just did, as an example twice now! It's often how you say the same thing using kinder words, perhaps!

[Riff Raf]

perhaps. In two directions but not in the same plain, maybe three Directional or more / to appease more than one individual? blah... blah...blah...
Freedom of speach? let Dennis have it as long as it does not hurt this form.
Dennis has been around rotorcraft longer than both of us and many others here!

[PTKay]

I do know that I fly a modified AC Tandem (TT and CLT)

You answered yourself.

It was not Dennis who did this modifications.

[PTKay]

This is the best summing up.

(these are from the Mini-500 newsgroup..)

---------------------------------
This is the critical issue where Fetters ALWAYS misses the point. It
is not that he has designed/built/and sold a defective product. Even
Sikorsky, Hughes, Bell, etc., have at one time or another released
aircraft with defects, either in design or workmanship. The
difference is in HOW these companies have handled the situation when
the problem came to their attention. They (1) acknowledge a problem
exists. (2) Ground the aircraft or apply flight limitations. (3) Admit
they made an mistake. And then they (4) research, design and
thoroughly test an adequate solution. It is why they are still in
business, and why RHCI day's are numbered.
======================================

[karlbamforth]

Ahh more attacks on Dennis and some even culled from another forum.

I fail to see how this is fair, Dennis cannot defend himself.

If Dennis is not allowed to respond then PPL should not be allowed to attack him or his reputation.

[birdy]

Do you really care what their opinion is? It's probably only worth what we paid for it, nothing!
Personaly, i dont give a sh1t bout Dennis, dont know the bloke and surely will never meet him.
But, to those who think theres nuthn gained by 'outing' people of his ilk are badly missled.

Consider a new comer to gyros who dont know anyone or anythn bout gyros.
If the ones who fabricate stories and exadurate their abilities arnt outed in public, then we'v just missed an oppertunity to save sumone alot of money, hartache, or even their life.
Itd be irrisponsable of all of us if we just ignored 'dangerous' types.
Iv been hounded on this and other forums for outing bad apples in the past. [ no dout iv lost alot of respect too, if i had any to start with]. I usualy try to push them into fessing up themselves to save them a little dignity, and till they do, i keep the pressure on.
And sure as bears sh1t in the scrub, ill do it again.

It also helps me sleep at nite knowing iv atleast tryed to warn the public of a bad apple.
I cant tell anyone how to think bout sumone else, but if only one side of a story is be'n told, ill tell the other.

[PTKay]

[I]

It also helps me sleep at nite knowing iv atleast tryed to warn the public of a bad apple.
I cant tell anyone how to think bout sumone else, but if only one side of a story is be'n told, ill tell the other.

This is exactly may motivation also, Birdy.

I have seen in recent years in Poland two top notch test pilots
killed when test flying some UL aircraft designed and manufactured by
a type of company like the RH run by people like Dennis Fetters.

They belong outed, and general public must be warned.

[Gyro_Kai]

This is exactly may motivation also, Birdy.

I have seen in recent years in Poland two top notch test pilots
killed when test flying some UL aircraft designed and manufactured by
a type of company like the RH run by people like Dennis Fetters.

They belong outed, and general public must be warned.

Paul,

your motives may be noble, but please, keep it fact based. You are in no position to delivery remote diagnosis on anyones state of health or mind.

There is no special "Dennis-law" but it applies to all of us: Slander and insult by anyone on anyone is something not to be tolerated!

Kai.

[birdy]

Slander and insult by anyone on anyone is something not to be tolerated!
Its only slander if it aint true, [ calln a murderer a murderer isnt slander] and an insult is only an insult if the accussed is tryn to hide it, to save only himself.
But facts are facts, so if i know, ill tell, for everyones sake.

[PTKay]

Paul,

You are in no position to delivery remote diagnosis on anyone's state of health or mind.

.....Slander and insult by anyone on anyone is something not to be tolerated!



Kai,

I am making no diagnosis, I just interpret facts, as observed in the web.
I have never had any personal contact to Dennis,
but what I see and read is what I see and read.

This is not meant as slander or insult, this is just stating facts.

[PTKay]

Keep it coming, you are free to say anything you want, I can't fight back in kind. Just think of me as some old person in a wheelchair that you can attack, and he can't touch you back. That is the new game rules here.

C'mon Dennis, give me a brake...

You cannot defend yourself ???

You must be kidding.

Just look how many times you were allowed to repete your lies and half-truth
on this forum alone.

Just one of yours, obviously illegal post, was deleted, and you make such a fuss
about it, crying like a little sissi...

You run an unrestricted publicity campaign on your behalf, and cry "faul"
whenever anybody tries to put some truth on top of it.

For anybody who doubt my words, just do the search on post by Dennis on this forum.

Disgusting and pathetic.

[GyroRon]

What a bunch of crap. Dennis is allowed to post anything he wants on the forum... he is allowed to defend himself all he wants. There is only one simply rule for him to follow and that is to not to directly INSULT anyone.

[Gyro_Kai]

Slander and insult by anyone on anyone is something not to be tolerated!
Its only slander if it aint true, [ calln a murderer a murderer isnt slander] and an insult is only an insult if the accussed is tryn to hide it, to save only himself.
But facts are facts, so if i know, ill tell, for everyones sake.

No, sorry Birdy:
Murder is the unlawful killing of a human person with malice aforethought,

Do you honestly suggest "malice aforethought" (what a word)?
:flame:"boooaharharhar, I'll build a flying machine that kills people, har har har"...:flame:

Negligence maybe, but not criminal intent.



Which brings us back to the point I was trying to make:

Stick to the facts! The facts are revealing enough, we do not have to add insult and call someone Murderer, Narcist or suggest personal disorder.

And Dennis, I have enjoyed the majority of your earlier posts even if the results of your engineering have been controversial. But after insulting Tim O' when he pointed you to your earlier sayings closed the case for me.
Shame on you! Do get a mirror someday to have at least some reflection in life.

Kai.