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iconnary
03-03-2008, 06:22 AM
I wonder how many people onboard had to change their underwear after this :
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/03/germany.plane/index.html
Chris Burgess
03-03-2008, 01:50 PM
I've seen many of these type landings. Just watched a bunch at an FAA safety seminar last Saturday. Will someone tell me a good reason why they crab then "kick it out", rather than fly the slip, aircraft aligned all the way down? I know it increases rate of descent but jeepers, save the landing gear. No last minute attempts to align the aircraft and catch a wing like this poor fellow.
NoWingsAttached
03-03-2008, 01:58 PM
Saw this on CNN today. WHew! Good thing he had his engines spooled up, or this would have been a different ending!
EI-GYRO
03-03-2008, 02:04 PM
The paying passenger doesnt like the feel of a sideslip, so they dont do it.
That's what a DC-3 pilot told me, anyway.
My own guess is that its easier to hold a stabilised glideslope and centreline
using the crab method.
Even if the plane lands still crabbed, the gear can take the load.
If you land wing-down, you may scrape a wing-tip or an engine pod, = expensive and the feds get interested.
Just my guess, probably not even worth two cents.
EI-GYRO
03-03-2008, 02:59 PM
There's about 8 pages of discussion about this at:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=316096
I know, I should get a life.
kmccormick
03-03-2008, 05:10 PM
I've seen many of these type landings. Just watched a bunch at an FAA safety seminar last Saturday. Will someone tell me a good reason why they crab then "kick it out", rather than fly the slip, aircraft aligned all the way down? I know it increases rate of descent but jeepers, save the landing gear. No last minute attempts to align the aircraft and catch a wing like this poor fellow.
Not knowing what equipment this aircraft has (droop slats, spoilers, airbrakes, ect) I can only tell you that when you slip a fixed wing with flaps in, you are flying 1) slow enough to deploy the flaps (aka...close to stall speed), 2) you are taking air away from one wing therefor flying uncoordinated. Uncoordinated stalls = spins = unrecoverable. Very dangerous envelope you would be messin with.
In a piper, however, I have achieved a 3000' fpm decent at 100kts indicated, with full flaps in a full slip. If stall speed were, say 70 kts, I would not try a full flap slip any slower than 100kts. When you fly an approach, you try your best to stay at 1.3 Vso on your approach, and a safe full flap stall wont allow that.
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