Look Ma no Training

[dragonflyerthom]

I took this from a different thread I had posted. I found it on myspace.

While I was on MySpace I stumbled on to this vid also. Seems there are still some that are teaching themselves. This is the second time this young want to be gyro pilot has been up without instruction.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=9926461
I haven't seen this one before. And we wonder why there is such a death rate in our sport. This is a F'tr Air Command I believe.
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[Timchick]

Watching the video it looks like he starting flairing high and rode it with power all the way to the ground.

[EI-GYRO]

Give or take the lumpy landing and arriving back to park with the blades still
turning, he done good.

[gyro]

He obviosly knows a little about gyros or he never would have broken ground. he even acknowledge that he flared to high and bled of his AS before setting down.

Not trying to justify the NO TRAINING thing but he did OK....

[EI-GYRO]

Self-training and no-training are not the same thing.
That guy knew reasonably well what he was doing.

[dragonflyerthom]

Self-training and no-training are not the same thing.
That guy knew reasonably well what he was doing.

I think he has had some aviation training. I know when it comes to landing the runway normally looks very small indeed. He has to know cut the throttle and then keep some throttle in or he would have rolled it as he almost did with the high flair.:eek:

[GrantR]

He must have watched the Ken Brock instructional videos.

Note Other than a google video:eek:

He does appear to be doing ok with it. I think some people have a natural understanding of how things works and can adapt to it. I call it seeing something mechanically. Visualizing how something works and understanding what each input can do and being able to coordinate the correct input. Like this guy is flying being self taught while the guy teaching himself I think out in California is still trying after 5 years with no success and a few roll overs.

I taught myself to fly r/c airplane, helicopters and gyrocopter. In the beginning I crashed some, mainly hard landings but I learned real quick. When I got the heli I learned to fly it in 3 evenings and never crashed it. Gyros are easy and fly similar to fixed wing. Now I have instructed/ helped some people with the r/c hobby and some people just don’t get it. Some do get to solo but never get any better. One of my flying buddies has been flying longer than me but he really sucks. He crashes almost every time. He basically lets the plane get away from him.

Think about it none of use would be flying if someone didnt try it with out instructions or help. But this is still not a good idea.



This is what the description of the video said;

This is me flying my gyro-copter for the 2nd time ever. It was and is one of the most exciting things I've ever done. But don't be like me and "wing it". If you going to try this get some instuction other than Google Video.e does appear to be doing ok with it. I think some people have a natural understanding of how something works and can adapt to it. I call it seeing soemthing mechanically. Visuallizing how something works and being able to coordinate the correct input Like tis guy is flying being self taught while the guy teaching himself I think out in California is still trying after 5 years with no success and a few roll overs.

[barnstorm2]

Man that brings back the memories!!

I have been trained and I still make a landing like that every once in a while.. ;)

Did you see the camera man and the guy walking up to the blades after he taxied up? Why do people do that??

Was that a Johnny Cash song? Sounded like his voice but I don't recognise the tune. Might be fitting if this guy does not get training in that machine...

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[gyro]

Ditto Grant.

Basic aircraft understanding can help alot. I did take training for gyrocopters but not to fly airplanes. I have my first (no traning) flight on video of my JDT minimax, but I did not post it here or youtube as I do not want to encourage others that have the mindset that if he can do it I can to.

some have the knack and some dont no matter how much training they get.

[billygyro]

that is so verry true, some have it and some just dont.... i thank god that he gave me the knack for flying!!! my instructor told me in the first flight, that i had lied to him and he knew that i had flown gyro's before. i said, not really- i have owned 3 gyro's in the past and never flew one, just smart enogh to stay out of the seat with out propper instruction.... i just love flying...
i have read 2 different books on gyro's and how they fly. and do have a good understanding of them. i do want to learn more about the flight of the rotor's,cg's,weight and balance, and so on. just knowing about how to fly one safely is not all there is to it. i want to try and learn all that i can. i eat sleep every day now for the past 2 years (gyro's)... i have flown U/L's for the past 15 years and self tought. yep,,, had some fun things go on with that,,,, but got through it. thank god.
i say get the trainning, to anyone that even thinks about a gyro or any thing that fly's. you will know right away if it's for you.

[dragonflyerthom]

There seems to be alot of older pilots into gyros. It might have something to do with it. Older pilot are a little more cautious and require more training. We also tend to be more thorough in our preflight. This in turn help us to live longer IMHO. I also agree that self training gives others the wrong mind set and allows bad habits to develop. I can't believe anyone condones self teaching

[Vance]

The person who won the youngest pilot award at the Ken Brock Freedom Fly In is 45.

It would seem that, at least in California, that this is a sport for seniors.

I did not see evidence of the caution, more training or the improved pre-flight inspection that you speak of.

Thank you, Vance

[Steve McGowan]

He did very well for what he's saying..

However I doubt that he's a newby to what it takes to fly a gyro...

He's PULLIN OUR LEG

"Somewhere-- Someway" he's had training....

The STAKES on BET YOUR LIFE .... is a bit TOO HIGH....:sorry:

No CIGAR on this one...:suspicious:

[EI-GYRO]

Probably his second circuit/pattern/flight.
Almost certainly not his second takeoff or landing.

Ask yourself this; Would you have known he was self-trained had he
not said so?. I think not.

Some time ago I put my first pattern video on Youtube, but I would not
state that I was self-trained for fear that some 'jackass' might get a
notion to 'strap-it-on-and-rev-it-up'.

I had about 50 hours on the gyroglider and another 50 or so of crowhops,
before I flew the pattern. That is self-training.

Instruction is by far the safer way.

[billygyro]

i do know of a guy that lives here in my town that has a history of inventions, he once had a aircammand single seater, he rebuilt it to look like santa and rain deer flying for christmass, his wife made his costum to look like a raindeer, he flew it for channle 5 news back a few years ago in front of a school, and children watch from a near by playground. it worked so well,when holloween came back around he did another one, it looked like a witch on a broom, the tail had a black cat hanging onto the rudder witch was shaped like the moon. i seen the video and pics to prove it. this is true, and he was self tought. he did buy a few sets of rotor's along the way, he told me the engien quit 4 times in a week, had some silocone inside the tank from a pre, owner. on one of the eng. out's he could not control directional flight because of the rain deer was to far forward and it wanted to turn to the right all the way to the ground, upon landing it would tip over and get the blades, head, exc. he was told by lot's of gyro pilot's that it could not be done, he did it and is still liveing here in my home town today. his name is Fred Robberts- we call him fast freddy. please dont try this with out talking to him first. if you wish to contact him let me know.
i think it is not a good idea at all, not worth the risk, was a cool looking gyro though!!

[Kevin_Richey]

I remember seeing an article in ROTORCRAFT magazine in the late 80's or early 90's about him flying his gyro, along with photos of both the reindeer and witch themes. This was back when Paul Abbott was the editor.

He also mentioned losing his hairpiece to the gyro's prop!

Have wondered what became of him and if he was still flying his gyro...

[dragonflyerthom]

Like you I have taught myself RC models. I just don't have a gyro RC model. Lots of crashes and many dozen rotor blades for my helis. My life was never in danger since I was always on the ground watching the models fly.

Flying with out some formal instruction in a gyro is a different danger altogether. There is a reason we have fewer accidents. It isn't just the thrust line change on todays gyros. Thanks to all of our instructors.

[DanielM]

The person who won the youngest pilot award at the Ken Brock Freedom Fly In is 45.

It would seem that, at least in California, that this is a sport for seniors.

I did not see evidence of the caution, more training or the improved pre-flight inspection that you speak of.

Thank you, Vance

I'm 19, so I wouldn't say that this sport is just for seniors. It just depends on how determined you are at reaching your goal(see sig).

P.S. I do have training, so this guy has no excuse.

[dragonflyerthom]

[QUOTE=DanielM;194773]I'm 19, so I wouldn't say that this sport is just for seniors. It just depends on how determined you are at reaching your goal(see sig).

Please don't think I mean aviation is just for us seniors. It is for everyone. It is fantastic that you know what you want to do at your age also. It just seems that we just enjoy flying no matter what the speed. The younger aviators like to go fast or hover around. I personally find the gyro satisfies all my needs to fly. I tell people that it is FUNTASTIC. The fact you have training is commendable. I agree there is no excuse and since you have had training you have shortened your learning curve.

By the way I have been following your progress with interest.

[DanielM]

Please don't think I mean aviation is just for us seniors. It is for everyone. It is fantastic that you know what you want to do at your age also. It just seems that we just enjoy flying no matter what the speed. The younger aviators like to go fast or hover around. I personally find the gyro satisfies all my needs to fly. I tell people that it is FUNTASTIC. The fact you have training is commendable. I agree there is no excuse and since you have had training you have shortened your learning curve.

I didn't take it that way. I was responding to Vance's comment on how it "seems" like its a sport for seniors. And it does. I don't know how many times people told me that they couldn't believe that a person of my age could build a aircraft let alone pilot it. Most kids today are so busy playing video games that life just passes them by. Then they wonder why they never accomplish anything.


By the way I have been following your progress with interest.

Thanks! Theres gonna be a big update to my Bee in the next couple of weeks so stay tuned. :)

sorry for the thread hijack.:focus: