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09-13-2007, 12:42 PM
I had this whole your eyes only / James Bond thing in my head ( the one where they had to recover a nuke cruise missle on the ocean floor...) but it was weeks ago. Too outrageous for even me to post a warning but now that several pieces of a disturbing picture are emerging this is not something I take lightly.
Wonder no one here has picked up any of this here so I will post it. I posted an alert to all my friends but you can come to your own conclusions. Might want to keep a low profile and not get caught flying on any aircraft this friday 9-14. anyone who has any weapons certs in the service know the official story is pure b.s.
09-13-2007, 01:22 PM
I am soooooo tired of hearing post 9-11 conspiracy theories.
The ground crew was probably high on weed and never bothered to swap 'em out. Simple as that. Their commanding officer got lazy and didn't follow up.
I walked on to Edwards Air Force Base one sunny day to witness the landing of the second space shuttle ever sent up. Senators and Congress persons on the NASA appropriations committees, as well as the Governor, and a bunch of other dignitaries were all there that day. John Glenn and both of the astronauts walked past me less than 20' away. Richard Truly even stopped and shook my hand when I said happy birthday to him. Me and my buddy, Dallas, saw all kinds of stuff that day. We walked right past three different security agencies: NASA, Air Force, and the Secret Service. We weren't even trying to be sneaky. We just walked by.
If we knew all the facts, we probably would be horrified to find this crap happens way more often than we could imagine. This one made the news.
09-14-2007, 08:52 AM
With regard to the date at the bottom of the first story - 14 September - the Air Force shuts down once EVERY YEAR in September. This event has nothing to do with any "review" or additional training. This is the time that the Air Force changes their fiscal year, and basically, the bank accounts are empty. All of the jets are fully fueled before this day as well. They've been doing this since 1985, and I'd bet it’s been going on long before that.
Secondly, the idea that the Air Force had “no idea” is a joke. Having had to go to the bomb dump myself and either pick-up, or drop off explosives, the amount of paper required for something as simple as an ejection seats rocket catapult is nuts. There are checks and balances all along the way from the time the call is made to the shop (in this case the end user - me), all the way back to the bomb dump to make sure the right person picked up the right device and only people with the right credentials are allowed into the dump.
Thirdly, there are 2 groups of people that handle nukes between the bomb dump and the aircraft and they are the "Munitions" guys and the "Loaders". The Munitions guys are the bomb builders. For those cruise missiles to have the nuke warheads installed would be the responsibility of the Munitions guys and their shop at the bomb dump. And the only way those would have come out of the bomb dump in a “loaded” condition is if they were NOT ordered to be torn down first.
Given the level of sensitivity regarding nukes, I do not believe for a second that something was missed, forgotten, or whatever. For ANYONE to even be near a nuke, at a minimum, 2 sets of eyes are required. It's referred to as a "no lone zone". And since the ALCM (air launched cruise missile) is not a small device, there would be at least 5-6 people together to move the ALCM from the bunker to the shop, and then from the shop to the aircraft, where the loaders take over. Every time I had to pick up some explosive device, the Munitions guys would inspect it FIRST to insure that the device was the correct configuration and that the paper work matched the device BEFORE we took possession of it.
When the story first broke, CNN was trying to blow stuff out of proportion and made the comment that since the 60’s, the Air Force has never flown nukes. Bull crap!!!! I know this is an outright lie! I know this because in 1987, when I was TDY to El Toro MCAS from Luke AFB, there was a Barksdale B-52 parked in a very remote part of the flight line with armed Marines guarding the jet with orders to shoot anyone that came close. I was briefed on this on the flight line the day our F-16’s came in and landed, and the B-52 was about 1/2 mile down the ramp – plain as day. It was carrying nukes, no question. Why the Air Force (specifically Barksdale) decided to disperse its bombers is a mystery.
Even right here in Indiana, at Grissom AFB, when they had B-58’s, one of the Hustlers crashed in a snow storm during takeoff and burned. It was carrying nukes, and yes, the one of the devices did explode, but it didn’t go nuclear (as designed). But to that day, the ground where the jet crashed is still tested every year. Now the interesting thing about this accident is that within the past 15 years or so, a prison was built on top of the crash site.
Bottom line, the Air Force didn’t loose any nukes. They knew where they were the whole time.
09-14-2007, 09:29 AM
Air Force Stand Down
EXCLUDES Fighter Jet Protection
World Net Daily
By Jerome R. Corsi
Contrary to rumors surrounding the Air Combat Command's stand-down of all 100,000 active-duty airmen ordered for tomorrow, the U.S. will not be devoid of fighter aircraft to protect the nation.
Michael Kucharek, spokesman for NORAD and USNORTHCOM, told WND the stand-down does not include the Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves assigned to NORAD.
About 70 percent of the aircraft involved in NORAD alerts are Air National Guard or Air Force Reserves aircraft, according to Kucharek.
Meanwhile, NORAD and USNORTHCOM will be on alert status Monday when the U.N. convenes a high level meeting on climate change and also Tuesday when the General Assembly begins its 62nd Session in New York City.
The stand-down Friday was ordered by Gen. Ronald Keys to conduct a command-wide review of operations, safety procedures and checklists after the Aug. 30 incident at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota, according to the Air Force Times. At Minot, six cruse missiles with nuclear warheads were loaded onto a B-52H and flown to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana * without the bomber crew or ground command realizing nuclear weapons were on the aircraft.
Military sources insisted to WND the incident was a procedural glitch and there is no suspicion within the military of any other purpose.
At the U.N. Monday, Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon will chair the meetings, and numerous heads of state are likely to attend.
According to Kucharek, Canadian and U.S. NORAD aircraft will be armed and on alert status, prepared to scramble from unspecified NORAD airbases.
Kucharek told WND the aircraft involved in the alert will be F-15s and F-16s assigned to the NORAD Air Defense Deterrence Mission.
Under Operation NOBLE EAGLE, which NORAD has conducted since 9/11, fighters on alert have scrambled from alert sites and diverted from irregular air patrols more than 2,400 times, Kucharek told WND.
More than 44,000 sorties have been flown in support of the missions, including support from tanker and AWACS aircraft. "NORAD and USNORTHCOM missions," Kucharek said, "are conducted in close collaboration with homeland defense, security and law enforcement partners to prevent air attacks against North America and to safeguard the sovereign airspaces of the United States and Canada by responding to unknown, unwanted and unauthorized air activity approaching and operating within these airspaces, and to provide aerospace and maritime warning for North America."
As <http://www.globalresearch.ca/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56234>WND reported, NORAD is a bi-lateral U.S.-Canada command and USNORTHCOM is a U.S. continental military command that works with its counterpart Canada Command.
Kucharek also confirmed NORAD and USNORTHCOM were <http://www.norad.mil/News/2007/083007.html>scheduled Oct. 15-20 to conduct exercise Vigilant Shield '08, a series of field exercises <http://www.norad.mil/News/2007/VS-08_fact_sheet.pdf>testing response abilities against a variety of potential threats, including the simulated detonation of three radiological dispersal devices within the USNORTHCOM and U.S. Pacific Command areas of responsibility.
The primary locations for the Vigilant Shield '08 field exercises will be Oregon, Arizona and the territory of Guam.
<http://www.globalresearch.ca/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56022>WND reported Bush administration plans to utilize USNORTHCOM as a U.S. military command to direct the operations of troops deployed in a wide range of continental North American emergencies, including health epidemics, natural disasters, terrorist events and even domestic violence or civil disorder.
09-14-2007, 09:30 AM
Don't fret . . .it wasn't even a "Broken Arrow" situation . . .
I am more afraid of lighting down in Florida.
And kids with Ak's prancing around.
09-14-2007, 01:34 PM
The "accuse" that was used when I was in the USAF was that because there were 6 Tactical Air Command jets lost since the first of the year, there was going to be a "TAC Safety Day". There is an accuse every year to have a "stand-down" and it's always in September. Now I have no specific knowledge if there were any Air Force jets flying during our "stand-downs", but I'm sure there were jets flying somewhere.
All I'm saying is don't believe everything that CNN, FoxNews, The New York Times, The Washington Post (sorry Warren), etc. is saying. When it comes to USAF aircraft and USAF weapons of any kind, the Air Force doesn't ever do anything without some kind of a paper trail, someone's authorization or without someone’s knowledge. During 9/11, they did operate outside normal paperwork channels, but only because they had to. Hanging ordnance on a jet is a completely different matter - someone knows, or knew in this case. There are too many checks in the process of arming a jet for someone not to know. This isn’t like the movie “Iron Eagle”.
ALL military munitions have a color code on the outside of the device, from bullets to nukes, they all have something. Per MIL-STD-709, Light blue is inert, yellow is high explosive, red is for incendiaries and tracer rounds, but is also used for nukes (not mentioned). Here it is in HTML form http://www.ordnance.org/color.htm. Here’s something else I found…
“It kind of boggles the mind that somebody didn't notice the color code
from Training/Live HE/Live Nuke, besides the other basic PAL stuff,
like locked containers, and the paperwork.”
I found the above quote at http://www.groupsrv.com/science/post-2284408.html and it’s exactly what I’m trying to convey. Munitions of this size and type do not go unnoticed, and it doesn’t just happen by accident, I don’t care what the media is reporting, or the Air Force is saying. There are just too many layers to go through to get nukes from the bomb dump to a bomb rack.
Here’s something else to consider, nukes and all other high explosive bomb are in the Class/division 1.1: Mass detonating explosives, where the primary hazard is blast and propagation, which includes general purpose bombs, warheads, and demolition materials. For the truck to leave the bomb dump with a nuke, there would be orange explosive signs all over it, and more than likely, there would have been armed guards. Had the nuke warhead been removed, those signs and guards would not be needed. Has anyone seen any mention of this fact in the various news outlets?
09-14-2007, 02:32 PM
In the old Cold War SAC days weren't nukes being flown overhead 24/7?
09-15-2007, 04:34 AM
By 1/3 of the force. One could not land until his replacement was airborne. Called operation "Steel Trap" From Walker AFB we went to Washington state, Ernest Harmon AFB in Newfoundland, to Florida and back to WAFB. Approximately 24 hours flight time. Eight weapons and enough fuel at all times to go anyplace in the world and back. By the way, Bossier Base on Barksdale is a weapons storage area if it is still in operation.
09-17-2007, 10:14 AM
If there is nothing to worry about and this stuff happens all the time then why this :
and now the body count has started. Isn't it the first rule when these "ops" go off : kill those who know.
of course this stuff happens " all the time..."
better start practicing my duck and cover.....
09-17-2007, 11:48 AM
Time to buy some more Alcoa stock...
Sung to the tune of "My Girl' by The Temptations:
"I've got tinfoil, wrapped around my head.
Cuz I spend my days, under the bed.
We-ell, I guess you'll say
What protects me from these rays...
Tinfoil, tinfoil, tinfoil!
Talkin' bout tinfo-il...tinfoil!
09-17-2007, 12:31 PM
You just cannot put the foil over your head and think it will work !!!
First you must brush your hair (if you have any ) tight against your head. Then coat with layer of oil, and wrap at least 2 layers on your noggin with at least a 1/2" of space in between them to act as a rf insulator. The space can be filled with styrofoam, white bread, tuna fish or twizzlers !!! Should be non conductive and have a good shelf life.
I have personally had to use tuna fish on occasion as it keeps people away from me but you might have a fly problem. :der:
besides judgment day is a ways off. anything cooked up by the NWO again and will have their fingerprints all over it.
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