Scam

[GyroRon]

I got this on email today.....

john nelson <john_nelson2006@yahoo.com>
Sent : Friday, June 11, 2004 4:18 PM
To : sawad13@msn.com
Subject : Gyroplane powered with 75 horsepower

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I am willing to buy your (Gyroplane powered with 75 horsepower) for $7800 my mode of payment will lays on certified cashier's check drawn in U.S funds , i will be informing my client in U.S who be forwarding a check of $13,500 to you on my behave , i will be handling the shipping, and every relevant title, if you want me to forward the check to you, i want you to give me the name that will be on cheque and your physical address which you will like to recieve the cheque with your cell phone number and land line ,but if you will prefer to receive the check in your bank i will want you to provide all the necessary info concerning your bank (bank name and address , account #and rounting #, so that i can order my client to wire the payment to your bank asap.more over the balance on the excess funds will be base on shipping bcos they are having other consignment for me to do the pick up, the shipper's will be incharges of sign all relevant document,i will like to know if may mode of payment is accepted by you or not . i will really appreiciate your instant response.
Thanks

[StanFoster]

Ron: WOW.............that is about as bad as winning something..but to claim the prize..you have to send some money in. :cool:

Stan

[pwendell]

You know, from time to time, I'm tempted to open up an empty bank account and provide the number to every one of these scamers just to see how it all developes....

[RayPierce]

Wouldn't you just love to set up a face to face meeting with one of those creeps.
"Yeah mister I have your check. Me and my 12 buddies have it there behind the barn next to the woodshed."

Serious discussion about the durability of a wooden club to follow.

[Chuck Irby]

Peter, I too, have thought about doing that very thing. Why don't you do it, and let us know how it works out.

Ray, that's what they deserve, for sure.

[le-wardy]

If it wasn't for the spelling mistakes amongst the lines, you could just about take it as being somewhat serious. Yet the majority of these clowns who try to dupe people out of money, don't speak or know how to write a professional letter if they tried.

Well done Ron, for picking it up before it caught you out, hook-line-and sinker.

[Hognose]

Most of these scams come from Africa. In Nigeria the government is into it, big; it's the nation's biggest source of foreign exchange. Do a web search for "419 scam" to see one type in operation. Americans, mostly seniors, lost $1.4 billion on 419s last year -- yeah, some folks fall for this crap. The US (or Canadian, British, OZ) cops can't help you when the money has gone to Bufugliland, and the African cops won't help you because they are part of the criminal enterprise.

This one is a variation, where they send you an authentic appearing check. Because it's a bank check or money order, you have immediate access to the money. But in three or four days your bank discovers that the check is forged/on a nonexistent account/etc. Guess who's liable?

Some young guys with time on their hands have enjoyed playing these guys, stringing them along. "We will need to meet face to face, I don't trust the mails." "I got your check but the bank said this account had a stop on it for fraud."

You can also send them a counterfeit check back ;)

Basically there is no law enforcement anywhere in subsaharan Africa right now, and most of the governments are corrupt kleptocracies -- some worse than others, but none as good as the worst in Europe or the Anglosphere since the commies retired. Indeed, the commies were evil, but honestly so.

There are honest people in Africa, millions of 'em. They just don't have access to email, and they don't work for the police or government. Unless you are a pro (in which case you are already enumerating the exceptions to my generalisations in your mind) you don't want to deal with anybody on, or from, that continent in any kind of business deal. They're all criminals.

cheers

-=K=-

[GyroRon]

I have experienced this type of scam about 5 or 6 times in the last year and a half. If it is too good to be true then it probably is.

[Sonnyj]

There was I guy here in NC selling shares in a company that is building,or going to build a mini refinery to turn used motor oil into gas and deisal.My folks invested in this without my knowing.Now he has moved too Texas and calls for mony ever so often,and tells them all the good news about how its going,and then tells them that big mony is coming soon! Ive tried to tell them my feelings on this but they still beleave in this guy.Just thuoght I'd share this with yall.It is very CONvincing.
Heads up Sonny

[KenSandyEggo]

You mean that I shouldn't have sent my account and routing numbers to Dr. Walugu!!?? :eek:

[le-wardy]

Does this mean Ken, that you're no longer going to be getting free lifetime health care ?? :eek: :( :(

[GyroRon]

I am now selling my Phantom ultralight since I got the Pacer back and am about to have my Dominator in flying condition, so I placed a ad on Barnstormers and got this email today. You can see my reply to him on top of the email... I am going to play with this guy!



I changed the price to 26,000$ firm. If your still interested let me know, this is the best Phantom out there period.



Ron Awad





>From: kim_sholly@yahoo.com
>To: sawad13@msn.com
>Subject: [barnstormers.com] Re: Phantom X-1 ultralight - Rotax DCDI 503
>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:36:41 -700 (PDT)
>
>Dear Ron,
> the following message from kim sholly was sent through the
>barnstormers.com web site in regard to the following listing..
> http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=40484
>to reply to kim sholly simply reply to this email.
>
>kim sholly Says :
> Greetings,i am highly interested in buying your{Phantom X-1 ultralight -
>Rotax DCDI 503}
>from you ,i will like you to give me the ASKING price
>and also scan the pics for me for proper verifycation . as for the
>shipping,i have a liable shipper that takes goods care of all my
>shipping .so about payment i have prepare a Certified CASHIERS CHECK for
>you
>in usa fund ,so pls email me back so that we can
>conclude about it. and i will like you to feed me out
>of this i.e ur personell phone num and ur adress and ur
>email so that i can fax it to my client ,coz he is
>willing to send you the check email ASAP....... pls
>reply back.
> REGARDS
>

[GyroRon]

Another email this morning and another attempt to scam IMHO. I told this guy he should just mail me a check to see what he says.



Dear Ron,
the following message from jackson was sent through the barnstormers.com
web site in regard to the following listing..
http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=40484
to reply to jackson simply reply to this email.

jackson Says :
I am Jackson by name,i saw your advert on internet so i decided to mail
you concerning the Phantom X-1 ultralight - Rotax DCDI 503 you have for
sale,i am ok with the price $8900.Let me know if you will accept wire
transfer for payment.Hope to read from you if you're willing to sell.
Thanks,
Jackson..

[GyroRon]

Oh I just got a email back from Kim sholly. Apparently she is willing to pay me my new asking price of 26 thousand dollars!!! New these planes aren't worth more than 12 to 15 grand.... I haven't responded to this email yet.




Hello Ron ,
i have seen the price and its ok by me then i
have instructed my client in{usa} to issue the cashiers check to you.meanwhlie i also instructed him to include $4000 on the payment
so you$30000. the excess is for my shipper that will be coming for pick up.the funds will be used for the shipping of the {Phantom X-1 ultralight - Rotax DCDI 503} along side 3 other CARS i placed
order for in care of my shipper.i'll imploy you to wire the balance via western union money transfer to my shipper as soon as you RECEIVE
the check.My SHIPPER in nigeria will come for pick up on a specicified date that will be convenient for you.i hope i can count on you for my balance I ALSO WANT THIS TO BASE ON TRUST CAN I TRUST YOU?...
P.S i need ur contact info,such as name in full,adress,ur city ur
state ur zipcode ur phone#both cell and home.pls email me asap with
all details

[GyroRon]

Holly Crap the Scammers are hitting me hard!!! I got this one this morning in my junk email box. These people don't quit.



Dear Ron,
the following message from mercy3fr2@yahoo.co.in was sent through the
barnstormers.com web site in regard to the following listing..
http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=40484
to reply to mercy3fr2@yahoo.co.in simply reply to this email.

mercy3fr2@yahoo.co.in Says :
mercy3fr2@yahoo.co.in
FROM :Mrs.mercy Kone
Tel :00225 07 11 26 82
Email:mercy3fr2@yahoo.co.in

My Dearest

With due respect and humility I write you this letterwhich I believe you
would be of great assistance to me and my children. I am Mrs.mercy Kone,
the wife of the late Dr DAVID E. KONE Jr of blessed memory. Prior to my
husband assassination by the rebel forces loyal to Corporal Foday Sankoh
of the revolutionary United Front (RUF), he was the Director General
National Gold and Diamond Mining Corporation of Sierra-Leone. Few days
before my husband was assassinated, he instructed me and my children
(JAMES and SUSAN) to move out of Sierra-Leone and also to go in his
underground strong room where the documents of money he has deposited in a
security company in Abidjan Cote d'Ivoire in one trunk box as family
valuables and treasures with the name of my first son Mr JAMES KONE as the
beneficiary. The amount is US$10.000.000 (TEN Million united states
dollars).

We managed to escape to Abidjan the Republic of Cote cote d'Ivoire through
the help of my husband friend who is a trawler. As our travelling document
was seized. I am now looking for a trustworthy and God fearing person who
will handle this money for rapid profit for the future of my two
fatherless children. For your information, the security company did not
know the real content of the box and we do not wish them to know until the
money is transferred to your account. As it was deposited as family
valuables and treasures.

Meanwhile, I want to leave Cote d'Ivoire entirely for investment of this
money in your country and mostly for the future of my children. I want you
to please assist us to claim the box from the security company and to
deposit the money in your account as to order the bank to transfer the
money to your account in your country. As our foreign partner. We have it
in mind to reward you with a certain percentage for your assistance. As
soon as we hear from you.Finally please ensure that no one else knows
about this money as it is only myself my son, yourself and the Rev. pastor
of the church where we worship knows about this money. Please If you can
be of an assistance to us we will be pleased to offer to you 15 % Of the
total fund. Please,Consider this and get back to me as soon as
possible.please Through my private email box bellow for security
reasons:mercy3fr2@yahoo.co.in

May God bless you as you assist us.
Yours sincerely,
Mrs.mercy Kone

[ngreed]

Sounds like you are getting more spam then real offers. I hate when that happens.

[GyroRon]

Yes you hit the nail on the head!

[GyroRon]

more scaming going on... I am playing with this turkey



How do I know you won't just take all my money out of my bank account if I give you my account info? I have worked really hard and saved up to buy a house on a airstrip in Mid state Georgia. I have saved up just about enough to buy the place which was a deal since it is only going to cost me 340 thousand dollars and since I have cash in my account I will have no interest fees. I think giving a stranger this info is too risky. Can't you just fed ex me a cashiers check and I can go ahead and make the plane ready for shipping?



Ron Awad





>From: "jackson smith" <jacksonsmith@dbzmail.com>
>To: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
>Subject: RE: [barnstormers.com] Re: Phantom X-1 ultralight - Rotax DCDI 503
>Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:03:19 +0000
>
>Thanks for the mail but i was inform by my PA that my client that suppose to issue out the cheque to you had a terrible accident which makes it impossble for him to issue out the cheque,well we can only make a deal using a wire transfer so let me know if you will accept wire transfer.Hope to read from you if you're wiling to sell.
>Thanks,
>Jackson.
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
>Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:53:32 -0400
>To: jacksonsmith@dbzmail.com
>Subject: RE: [barnstormers.com] Re: Phantom X-1 ultralight - Rotax DCDI 503
>
> > Why not mail me a check or come look at it in person then decide if you want
> > it or not?
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Awad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: jacksonsmith@dbzmail.com
> > >To: sawad13@msn.com
> > >Subject: [barnstormers.com] Re: Phantom X-1 ultralight - Rotax DCDI 503
> > >Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 2:53:24 -700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Dear Ron,
> > > the following message from jackson was sent through the barnstormers.com
> > >web site in regard to the following listing..
> > > http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=40484
> > >to reply to jackson simply reply to this email.
> > >
> > >jackson Says :
> > > I am Jackson by name,i saw your advert on internet so i decided to mail
> > >you concerning the Phantom X-1 ultralight - Rotax DCDI 503 you have for
> > >sale,i am ok with the price $8900.Let me know if you will accept wire
> > >transfer for payment.Hope to read from you if you're willing to sell.
> > >Thanks,
> > >Jackson..

[automan1223]

I got a lot of what ron is getting when I was selling my rotax. US secret service investigates this kind of fraud. Even though I thought I knew it all and my wife works at a bank so I thought all the bases are covered, after talking with a few agents over at the USSS they advised me that it is never a good idea to give anyone a good number to any account if you do not trust the buyer. It is amazing what they can do with a good number and long sometimes it takes for error to be caught. Banks are not fool proof. Social engineering also can really mess you up. Best thing is to report this fraud via email to USSS and threaten to send all suspicious email offers to USSS.

Jonathan

[le-wardy]

I think I may Know what the terrible accident was which happened to the potential buyer in question ?

He was so keen to sign the cheque for you Ron, he accidentally stabbed his hand holding the chequebook with his pen. Which in turn brought about a severe case of blood poisoning, hence being rushed to hospital and hospitalised in intensive care while lying in a drug-induced coma.

Isn't it amazing ? Just when things things start to get serious about the transaction, the potential buyer suddenly has a personal tragedy. Gotta be a curse in there somewhere. Funny that ! :D

[automan1223]

You know you guys you should not play around with these clowns. Report the scammers email address to security@yahoo or webmaster@yahoo also report his email to ebay as well. Second there have been several people kidnapped and held hostage that met up with these kinds of clowns thinking they were going to make a quick illegal buck. No one pays more than market value for something and 2 they never pay you with a check from a 3rd party.

If they think you got this kind of money ron, they just might make a play for it. Not funny. they could hold you, your wife or your dog for ransom. There are terrorists here in this country. And no I am not being paranoid.

Dont mess around with these yo yo's just shut them down on the back channel. Be polite and ignore them. The nigerian money scam and others like it are old news but banks get caught up in the middle of it all the time. Never even give a personal or business check with your account number to someone who you do not know or normally do business with. THe check I got from a scammer I trolled for 2 months with on my line, that check passed the usual security checks from several tellers. It was a bogus check.

Jonathan