SARAF
07-10-2007, 11:16 AM
Hi Jean Pierre.
Let me put this right.
It is a shame that there are so many gyro pilots out there that wants to reinvent the wheel.
*"If every RAF owner thinks that someone in South-Africa is going to
revive the machine, I cannot see this happening soon. In RSA, they will
have to start with cleaning the mess left by their very poor after sales
service. Out of 30 odd kits sold if there are 2 happy customers, that's
a lot !
Jean Pierre lets be honesty here you and I both know your not talking
about RAF owners because they already have their Aircraft and are
enjoying every opportunity they can to fly so we know what they think.
And because the RAF is alive and well it is not in need of reviving
However the new aircraft you are representing will need all the help it
can get to compete against the current slate of aircraft here. So as a
player in this market we do rather then say, because talk is cheap. Jean
Pierre You talk as if you have some in depth knowledge about the RAF
and it's service, can I ask is it from the time when Dave Armstrong
gave you an aircraft to use at no cost and the time that my son and I
came to repair and set up every thing you and your son had out of
adjust. And refused to fly as I would have purposely left a nut loose. Now I don't believe you were charged for any of this and you
didn't have the decency to even show up when we arrived to work on your
aircraft so let's be perfectly clear this is not about our other
customers this is about Jean Pierre. We will let our customers speak for
themselves.
**2nd problem, technical knowledge. Everything is done by trial and
error without any logic.
Jean Pierre if you had the answer why call us? We have a tendency to
want to know where we are going before we head out that way we know when
we have arrived. So we ask what is wrong? Why do you think it should be
the same? can I show you how this works ? and your responses Nothing ,
why not,and No! left us to wonder what the real issues were. The
confusion seemed to be that Jean Pierre didn't know and tried to adjust
and set up on his own and was left wondering what was going on and
embarrassed because he was not in full control.
Why didn’t you ask your son to help you as he tried to give us advice and where the problem was. He seems to know it all….according to him.
**3rd problem, one instructor-builder-adjuster... badly overstressed.
Will not accept anyone else to share the RAF market and customer base,
in the end to help the stranded owners, because he sees it as a business
threat. If you are a RAF owner, the waiting queue is long ...
Jean Pierre I choose to be concerned about my customers .I hold my
students to the highest standards** and I would expect nothing less of
myself. And would I farm out my students and customers to just anyone
no I won't .I don't agree with very short incomplete training .I don't
believe in giving second best just to make a quick Rand if I can't do
it right then I don't do it at all! And who's stranded your the only one
I know that is not doing anything. How many students have you trained
lately? How many aircraft have you delivered lately? O, of course you have no Instructors Qualification, I forgot.. But you talk…… Again performance
is based on doing, not just the saying, talk is cheap. I perform for my
customers just ask them.
**4th problem, passed by GOD Lafleur, DO NOT MODIFY ANYTHING ! and we
know how much this lovely little machine needs to be safer... You have
put what !!? A Horizontal Stabiliser ! You are now enemy no 1 ! No more
support for you now ! (as if there was any before...)
Jean Pierre the 4th problem is you have no respect!!!!!! There is only One GOD
in Heaven and it is most certainly not Don Lafleur. And then you Lie
on top of your Blasphemy .I have spoken to Don Lafleur the same as you
have and I heard him at Oshkosh speak to the CFI's there and what he
said was " look out for the mods, make sure that the people at least know
what they are doing" "And if a person has modified their air craft then you
can't train in the standard RAF they need training in and aircraft that
is the same if going to fly a Air Command then train in an Air
Command" And Jean Pierre you reference support as if you purchased an
RAF 2000 did you ever buy your own RAF 2000? Did you ever do business
With Don Lafleur ? How about any one else at Rotary Air Force? did you
ever spend any money with some one there where you could expect some
support for the money you spent or is this about trying to look important.
**If those are the one making people believe that they will take over
the RAF new life, GOOD LUCK !
I think that the little RAF deserves to be in better hands and could
have a great future.
Jean Pierre this has nothing to do with a new life this has to do with
giving life to the RAF in South Africa. It's about service providing
South Africans with aircraft out of South Africa yes I have the rights
for the RAF 2000 in Africa .Yes I agree there was a long wait and the
massive expense of importing product into South Africa now my customers
can buy direct and be supplied write out of Upington. I have a number of
foreign Instructors that will come to work with us. I have some South
Africans I am training now to satisfy the demands. I will have many of
the composite components made here because I have acquired the
production molds .Yes and I agree with you again when you say "the
Little RAF Deserves" The Life we are giving it here and now. Again this
is about doing it is no longer just talk. Welcome to my world Proudly
South African The RAF 2000 SA.
P.S – By the way, Jean Pierre, Never threaten me I do not take threats lightly.
Respectfully Eben Mocke
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Let me put this right.
It is a shame that there are so many gyro pilots out there that wants to reinvent the wheel.
*"If every RAF owner thinks that someone in South-Africa is going to
revive the machine, I cannot see this happening soon. In RSA, they will
have to start with cleaning the mess left by their very poor after sales
service. Out of 30 odd kits sold if there are 2 happy customers, that's
a lot !
Jean Pierre lets be honesty here you and I both know your not talking
about RAF owners because they already have their Aircraft and are
enjoying every opportunity they can to fly so we know what they think.
And because the RAF is alive and well it is not in need of reviving
However the new aircraft you are representing will need all the help it
can get to compete against the current slate of aircraft here. So as a
player in this market we do rather then say, because talk is cheap. Jean
Pierre You talk as if you have some in depth knowledge about the RAF
and it's service, can I ask is it from the time when Dave Armstrong
gave you an aircraft to use at no cost and the time that my son and I
came to repair and set up every thing you and your son had out of
adjust. And refused to fly as I would have purposely left a nut loose. Now I don't believe you were charged for any of this and you
didn't have the decency to even show up when we arrived to work on your
aircraft so let's be perfectly clear this is not about our other
customers this is about Jean Pierre. We will let our customers speak for
themselves.
**2nd problem, technical knowledge. Everything is done by trial and
error without any logic.
Jean Pierre if you had the answer why call us? We have a tendency to
want to know where we are going before we head out that way we know when
we have arrived. So we ask what is wrong? Why do you think it should be
the same? can I show you how this works ? and your responses Nothing ,
why not,and No! left us to wonder what the real issues were. The
confusion seemed to be that Jean Pierre didn't know and tried to adjust
and set up on his own and was left wondering what was going on and
embarrassed because he was not in full control.
Why didn’t you ask your son to help you as he tried to give us advice and where the problem was. He seems to know it all….according to him.
**3rd problem, one instructor-builder-adjuster... badly overstressed.
Will not accept anyone else to share the RAF market and customer base,
in the end to help the stranded owners, because he sees it as a business
threat. If you are a RAF owner, the waiting queue is long ...
Jean Pierre I choose to be concerned about my customers .I hold my
students to the highest standards** and I would expect nothing less of
myself. And would I farm out my students and customers to just anyone
no I won't .I don't agree with very short incomplete training .I don't
believe in giving second best just to make a quick Rand if I can't do
it right then I don't do it at all! And who's stranded your the only one
I know that is not doing anything. How many students have you trained
lately? How many aircraft have you delivered lately? O, of course you have no Instructors Qualification, I forgot.. But you talk…… Again performance
is based on doing, not just the saying, talk is cheap. I perform for my
customers just ask them.
**4th problem, passed by GOD Lafleur, DO NOT MODIFY ANYTHING ! and we
know how much this lovely little machine needs to be safer... You have
put what !!? A Horizontal Stabiliser ! You are now enemy no 1 ! No more
support for you now ! (as if there was any before...)
Jean Pierre the 4th problem is you have no respect!!!!!! There is only One GOD
in Heaven and it is most certainly not Don Lafleur. And then you Lie
on top of your Blasphemy .I have spoken to Don Lafleur the same as you
have and I heard him at Oshkosh speak to the CFI's there and what he
said was " look out for the mods, make sure that the people at least know
what they are doing" "And if a person has modified their air craft then you
can't train in the standard RAF they need training in and aircraft that
is the same if going to fly a Air Command then train in an Air
Command" And Jean Pierre you reference support as if you purchased an
RAF 2000 did you ever buy your own RAF 2000? Did you ever do business
With Don Lafleur ? How about any one else at Rotary Air Force? did you
ever spend any money with some one there where you could expect some
support for the money you spent or is this about trying to look important.
**If those are the one making people believe that they will take over
the RAF new life, GOOD LUCK !
I think that the little RAF deserves to be in better hands and could
have a great future.
Jean Pierre this has nothing to do with a new life this has to do with
giving life to the RAF in South Africa. It's about service providing
South Africans with aircraft out of South Africa yes I have the rights
for the RAF 2000 in Africa .Yes I agree there was a long wait and the
massive expense of importing product into South Africa now my customers
can buy direct and be supplied write out of Upington. I have a number of
foreign Instructors that will come to work with us. I have some South
Africans I am training now to satisfy the demands. I will have many of
the composite components made here because I have acquired the
production molds .Yes and I agree with you again when you say "the
Little RAF Deserves" The Life we are giving it here and now. Again this
is about doing it is no longer just talk. Welcome to my world Proudly
South African The RAF 2000 SA.
P.S – By the way, Jean Pierre, Never threaten me I do not take threats lightly.
Respectfully Eben Mocke
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