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scandtours
11-26-2006, 07:30 AM
This thread can be foun in ASRA
with tittle Rotor heads and Advanced Teeter Movement, by Anto Mose.
Its an interesting thread.
Giorgos



The last 5 years I have been machining rotor heads and did a lot of research in teeter movement of the unique gyrocopter. The testing of various brands of rotor blades has been an enormous satisfaction to see, that all the new rotor blades have come a long way and perform a lot better then the early ones.

Unfortunately the rest of the machine has not caught up at the same rate. Since we have extruded blades and composite blades with a twist the lift has improved considerably. After that time of research, development and testing of teeter angle, I came to the result of 4° advanced rotor hub setting.

To explain and start from the beginning. Our rotor system has the greatest lift on the right hand side of the machine and the forward movement of the machine the higher the ratio of airspeed different from right to left. The teeter movement forces the right hand side to climb up because of airspeed increase on the advancing blade which hits the oncoming air molecules, at the same time the left hand side will drop down because less airspeed throw the blades profile.

The stiffer the blade the greater the kick to the push rod - joystick system which can be corrected by 4° advanced teeter angle. Through this 4° teeter angle it allows the climbing blade to decrease the pitch while the down blade will increase the pitch by the same rate. As the two blades fight each other it results in very little teeter movement. If your tracking, string line and rotor head centre line is in order and still experience frequent joystick kicks, consider teeter angle change as your next move. Do Not go the easy way and move the rotor blades into an advanced position at the hub bar - blade straps connection (diagram 1) to avoid stress factors out of centrifugal force - line.

chuter
11-26-2006, 08:29 AM
My pea brain can't see how this will make any difference. I thought that if the teter bearings were moving freely it shouldn't put any "kick" to the joystick anyway............?

It seems like this might somehow change the response to pilot control input since the blades would be in a different position relative to the control system, but just flying along straight and level I don't see how it makes any difference.:noidea:

Little help...........?

Not Yet
11-26-2006, 08:08 PM
Hi Scandtours

You have just shown a delta 3 angle of 4 degrees.

This does indeed de pitch the advancing blade and increase the pitch of the retiring blade.

But 4 degrees is so little that I would’t think the effect would be noticeable.

dragonflyerthom
11-27-2006, 03:18 AM
Are you saying that the Rotor hub will bend that 4 degrees from a fixed hub bolt? Please explain how this is possible with out causing large stress fractures in the hub?

Rehan K.Janjua
11-27-2006, 04:11 AM
Hello Giorgos,

Very Interesting.

4 degrees at the root will make lots of difference at the tips.

Stress figures should remain the same or in this case lessen as this causes less stick shake.

Thank you for sharing.
Rehan

Not Yet
11-27-2006, 05:29 PM
Thom

Scandtours has turned the teeter block so that the teeter bolt is now 4 degrees off the original 90 degree orientation it had with the hub bar.

NoWingsAttached
11-27-2006, 06:38 PM
I think there is a better advantage if ya can find a safe way do it the way he says is wrong. You should advance the blade in refence to the axis of attachment, not just in reference to right-angle to the head . All they are doing is advancing the timing of the rotor, like you would advance the timing of a flywheel. It might reduce the feedback felt when the rotor is at right angles to the airframe the way he wants it done though. However, advancing the blades ahead of the hub will offset the moment of torque inertia slightly, to a position behind the true center of the hub rotation. This should further dampen vibration to the control linkage, as well as increase the efficiency of the airfoil (rotor) a bit. THis is an exciting idea. Is this group the only one to have ventured into this corner of the pasture? I am not sure if the results would be enough to be appreciable, but...what the hey? By the way.. I'm just talkin outta my butt

Airgasm
12-01-2006, 01:33 AM
Actually, I was hoping for some feedback from Chuck Beaty on this. Maybe he was not aware of the post but it has me stumped. Tony is a friend of mine and I fly over to his place regularly but we do have different views on a couple of things, nice guy though.

bones
12-01-2006, 12:42 PM
This thread can be found in ASRA

Just for your and every one else info that site is not the ASRA site, that is the site that appeared after Bazza took it upon himself to stuff up the ASRA site, funny ayy, orrr well things happen, see ya at the NATS Bazza :boink:

THe real ASRA site is www.asra.org.au

C. Beaty
12-01-2006, 01:03 PM
A delta 3 angle of 4º gives a flap-pitch coupling ratio of 14:1.

Meaning that if the blade flapped up 14 degrees, one degree of pitch would be pulled out of it.

Tail rotors typically use a delta 3 angle of 30 degrees.

Airgasm
12-01-2006, 01:37 PM
Bazza took it upon himself to stuff up the ASRA site

Mark, that is a load of crap and you know it. Giorgos, Mark is correct in that the post of yours did not originate from the ASRA site. It is pleasing however, there is interest in it and I am sure Tony would be interested. Thanks Chuck, I don't know whether it is feasable but Tony has adopted the idea to his gyro and swears it has merit.