German Gyro

[PTKay]

Have a look, in Greman, but lot of pics.

http://www.autogyro-europe.com/

or

http://www.mt-tragschrauber.de/

PTKay

[PTKay]

Something for Paul B. :)

PTKay

[quadrirotor]

That's in fact a spanish gyro (lots of videos):
http://www.elaaviacion.com/

[PTKay]

Yes, I've seen that, but how can a German company admit it sells Spanish product...;)

PTKay

[rfonseca]

Guess who invented the gyros and from which country he came from?

[Chuck Irby]

Ramon, wasn't it a guy in France back in the 1920's?

[Aussie_Paul]

Wasn't he a Spaniard?

Aussie Paul

[Chuck Irby]

Hello Aussie Paul, How are things down under? Is it about to start turning cold down there?

[rfonseca]

His name was Don Juan de la Cierva y Codorniú. He invented the Autogyro, foreruner of the helicopter and modern gyro. He was a Spaniard, where the gyros that today are sold in Germany come from. ;)

[Chuck Irby]

Thanx Ramon

I guess you were right, AP, you WA!

[Hognose]

http://www.autogyro-europe.com/



I speak functional German, but there's something about being hectored about having an outdated Flash plug-in that is considerably worse in German than in, say, English, French, or Russian. Something about that German language lends itself to scolding people and bossing them around, and I just won't stand for it.

cheers

-=K=-

[twistair]

This gyro was designed and is beeing built in Spain. One of our guys visited the workshop twice for last two years. flown the gyro.
The German company which offers it seems to be nothing more than an attempt to sell anything. They sent me a couple e-mails from which it became clear they know nothing about gyros.
As for "Futura" (this Spanish gyro) it was primarily powered by BMW (got underpowered and overheated), then they tried Sub (too heavy) and now are playing with Rotax.

[John_wilkinson]

has any one out there flowen a MT 03 as there is a chap down here looking at getting one so i am trying to find out about it for him,the $ are about$80000 nz.you can get just about two dominators for that but not as bad as magni at $120000 nz.It looks like a copy of a magni.

[davreich]

Hi,
Just plug in the web site and select the language conversion.

[URL=http://babelfish.altavista.com/]

It works pretty good. :D

[John_wilkinson]

:rolleyes: I say again is there any body out there that has flowen one.I have looked at the web sight,we all know that you can only take a manufacturers clams as a gidline.

[steveb]

Take a look at http://www.nwgyro.co.uk/newsletters/roger%20madrid.htm for a brief flight test report

[barnstorm2]

Good article!

Impressive performance numbers.

[Neil Hintz]

John, I can fit another Dominator on the production line if you like. Ask Ian and Bill how happy they are. Do you want this engine and gearbox next week? It will be ready.

Neil

[John_wilkinson]

Neil i tould the chap you could make hime a two place dominator and throw in a single place for the same $.He wants to be nz rep.Will ring you next week do you have a sale for my spear 23 foot dragon wings.

[Neil Hintz]

John, what prop flange did you want, wood or metal prop hub?

Neil

[Chiefmole999]

Well, in fact I'm training in one - chap called Steve Boxall up at Wickenby airfield near Lincoln in the UK.

I had a fairly good look at all the autogyros on the market in the uk, and elsewhere as I have a need to do a regular fortnightly commute via one of the most congested areas of the UK - needed to be safe and take off in a field!. I flew the Ela Briefly, but came to the conclusion, that although I quite liked the build and style, the MT-03 was a better bet. This was mainly on the grounds that the MT-03 was already CAA approved for the UK, whereas the ELA was not. I was being offered a second hand ELA at a very reasonable price - but that was no use if I could not fly it! I gather there are various gyros "just about to be certified", and have been for quite some time. Being pragmatic I decided on the MT-03 despite the various claims on here for the superiority of the ELA.

I am a fairly design/tech savvy person, and flying it, and having looked at the MT-03 (very carefully during pre-flight checks) I am more comfortable with the overal design & build philosophy of the MTthan the ELA. MT use CNC bending for the main mast - rather than cut at an angle and weld - CNC has to be better than welding any day. Also the main mast attachment point to the keel frame is much better, (as far as I am aware) with multiple gussets to strenghen, whereas ELA uses simple welding. However ELA is quite a bit cheaper. Also ELA uses fiberglass rotors - I think I prefer aluminium, though I'm not claiming that's based on any great knowledge. The two machines are very similar it is true, but I wouldn't say as many other people do on here that the MT is a copy of the ELA, any more than the ELA is a copy of the Magni - they are more design evolutions in my opinion.

As to flying the MT-03, I find it fairly easy, and very manoeoveralbe - although my background in gliding makes me want to put in bootfuls of rudder at every turn. The MT is very quiet, but I suspect so is the ELA. I think they are problably both great machines. The powered trim is very good for taking out the stick forces - and is probably essential in an autogyro. Not much stick vibe that I could tell. A very small rotor shake, but virtually imperceptible in flight. Overall, I loved it - must do, as I'm buying one! Only gripe is the springs on the front wheel to make it self centering. It takes a little getting used to, but is effective though.

Anyway, any views on which is best are really academic if you live in the UK (unless you have unlimited time and resources to spend arguing or convincing the CAA) since it's the only one with type approval. I can't wait for the sport to be avialable......

Philip Andrews.

[XXavier]

Hello, Philip.

Welcome to this sport... I'm the happy owner of an ELA-07R.

I know that -because of the certification- your bet is the MT-03, but both machines are pusher gyros, of similar design, and an exchange of opinions and experiences could be very interesting for us both, I believe.

My e-mail is verweht@gmail.com

Javier Susaeta
Madrid/Robledillo (LERM)

[Chiefmole999]

I posted a lengthy piece comparing the MT-03 to other similar models, but for some reason the forum has lost it. I'm not going to write it again, but if you are in the UK, and want to give me a tinkle, send me your private private e-mail, and I@ll send you my phone number - you can ask me a few questions. I've done 9 hours in the MT-03, and have ordered one from Jerry Speich at rotorsportuk.

Regards Philip Andrews.

PS, for some bizzare reason the piece is now showing up above this one - since I posted this piece. Don't quite understand why, but there you are.

[troed@aon.at]

Hi everyone !

Yesterday I had the chance for a direct comparison between between the "old" MT03 (=copy of the ELA) with Rotax 912 and the new MTOsport with Rotax 912 in quite challenging weather conds: 32°C, 80% humidity, 1-2kts wind.

The MTOsport winds up the rotor in no time and makes believe it was a jump-start. Maneuvres in the pattern are easy and quick like with a motorcross-bike.

When I did some X-country I trimmed to 180 km/h IAS (which is in reality 160-165km/h TAS) and although there were heavy thermals it flew rock-steady it´s 180km/h IAS.

Landing is as smooth as silk with this machine.

Then I changed to the "old" MT03 and felt remembered to my own MT03 which I already sold: T/O like flying in jelly, nervous in the air, top-speed max. 140 km/h IAS (then the front shield starts to bend back).

It is astounding what difference it makes to the behaviour of the entire machine to just bend forward the mast and change the AOA of the tail-section.

The MTOsport is great gyro .........

Angelo

[rfonseca]

Just out of the oven the new MTSport´s Brochure in English:

http://www.auto-gyro.com/doc/autogyro/downloads/allgemein/MTOsport_Brochure08_engl.pdf

[MechFx]

There is a MT-03 owners club in the UK, someone there should be able to give you a perspective. I read on the website yesterday they have sold 43 machines in the last year and a half and are selling about 1 a week now.
This is just in the UK not the whole world.

UK Dealers website is http://www.rotorsport.flyer.co.uk/index.htm

club is listed there.
cheers
Art

[tallgent]

Looking forward to receiving my MT03 in a few weeks time. Look out for a bright yellow gyro in the skies over Cumbria - G-YELO - sporting a very wide grin!

Here's hoping for a spell of decent weather - we are currently enjoying (!) a typical British summer over here.

It would be nice for the ELA's and Magni's to get certified but for the time being the MT03 is pretty much the only show in town in the UK.

Mike

[troed@aon.at]

Hi Mike !

As long as it does not rain cats and dogs You will have a lotta fun with MT0sport even in slight rain and gusty winds.

Have fun in the air

Angelo